No Profanity *** No Flaming *** No Advertising *** No Anti Trappers ***NO POLITICS
No Non-Target Catches *** No Links to Anti-trapping Sites *** No Avoiding Profanity Filter


Home~Trap Talk~ADC Forum~Trap Shed~Wilderness Trapping~International Trappers~Fur Handling

Auction Forum~Trapper Tips~Links~Gallery~Basic Sets~Convention Calendar~Chat~ Trap Collecting Forum

Trapper's Humor~Strictly Trapping~Fur Buyers Directory~Mugshots~Fur Sale Directory~Wildcrafting~The Pen and Quill

Trapper's Tales~Words From The Past~Legends~Archives~Kids Forum~Lure Formulators Forum~ Fermenter's Forum


~~~ Dobbins' Products Catalog ~~~


Minnesota Trapline Products
Please support our sponsor for the Trappers Talk Page - Minnesota Trapline Products


Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY #6258153
06/11/18 06:36 PM
06/11/18 06:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 986
Iowa
B
Bristleback Offline OP
trapper
Bristleback  Offline OP
trapper
B

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 986
Iowa
WOW, I don't get this move, why RISK another outing?? He's proven he's won the 3 most important races= Triple Crown.

I just don't see the upside, tons of downside: injury, loses...…..hummmmm

Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Bristleback] #6258154
06/11/18 06:41 PM
06/11/18 06:41 PM
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 10,911
MN
FlyinFinn Offline
trapper
FlyinFinn  Offline
trapper

Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 10,911
MN
Maybe the owner likes to watch the horse run. Would be akin to buying fine cigars and not smoking them, or top shelf whiskey and not drinking it to have a race horse and not race it.

Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Bristleback] #6258158
06/11/18 06:53 PM
06/11/18 06:53 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 21,716
Sandhills Nebraska
G
Gary Benson Offline
trapper
Gary Benson  Offline
trapper
G

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 21,716
Sandhills Nebraska
He could get injured and have to be put down. Just think of the horse nooky he'd be missing out on. If it's a stallion.


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Bristleback] #6258166
06/11/18 07:06 PM
06/11/18 07:06 PM
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 25,694
nm
A
adam m Offline
trapper
adam m  Offline
trapper
A

Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 25,694
nm
I agree. The breeding rights sold this weekend for $75m. If he gets injured he'll still breed.
He's a beautiful 2 yr old horse.

Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Bristleback] #6258171
06/11/18 07:16 PM
06/11/18 07:16 PM
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 28,715
Eastern Shore of Maryland
HobbieTrapper Offline
"Chippendale Trapper"
HobbieTrapper  Offline
"Chippendale Trapper"

Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 28,715
Eastern Shore of Maryland
He will sire foals after he's dead.


-Goofy-
Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Bristleback] #6258177
06/11/18 07:33 PM
06/11/18 07:33 PM
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 208
SW Iowa
I
iowayote Offline
trapper
iowayote  Offline
trapper
I

Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 208
SW Iowa
The owners have enough of his DNA on ice to repopulate the entire world with horses of his line.
Running again is just trying to prove the point of "my horse is better than yours"


I will gladly feast on those who would subdue me.
Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Bristleback] #6258186
06/11/18 07:48 PM
06/11/18 07:48 PM

B
bleeohio
Unregistered
bleeohio
Unregistered
B



Plus, I'll bet he's insured to the hilt.

Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Bristleback] #6258187
06/11/18 08:06 PM
06/11/18 08:06 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 21,716
Sandhills Nebraska
G
Gary Benson Offline
trapper
Gary Benson  Offline
trapper
G

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 21,716
Sandhills Nebraska
I bet he gets to fly on Air Horse One.


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Bristleback] #6258224
06/11/18 09:14 PM
06/11/18 09:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 986
Iowa
B
Bristleback Offline OP
trapper
Bristleback  Offline OP
trapper
B

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 986
Iowa
Good points on insured and AI straws.

I too saw the bump from $50 million to $75 million.

They make plenty more cigars and whiskey...….not so much with Triple Crown winners.

Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Gary Benson] #6258228
06/11/18 09:18 PM
06/11/18 09:18 PM
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 359
South Mississippi
9
9wire Offline
trapper
9wire  Offline
trapper
9

Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 359
South Mississippi
Originally Posted By: Gary Benson
I bet he gets to fly on Air Horse One.


laugh lmao...

Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Gary Benson] #6258249
06/11/18 09:46 PM
06/11/18 09:46 PM
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 1,181
Golconda, IL
nramemb Offline
trapper
nramemb  Offline
trapper

Joined: May 2011
Posts: 1,181
Golconda, IL
Originally Posted By: Gary Benson
He could get injured and have to be put down. Just think of the horse nooky he'd be missing out on. If it's a stallion.
Hate to tell you this but horses of that caliber do not bread. they are artificially inseminated

Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Bristleback] #6258275
06/11/18 10:34 PM
06/11/18 10:34 PM
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 15,631
Champaign County, Ohio.
K
KeithC Offline
trapper
KeithC  Offline
trapper
K

Joined: May 2009
Posts: 15,631
Champaign County, Ohio.
Justify's sperm is already in the bank, so to speak and quite literally.

Keith

Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Bristleback] #6258279
06/11/18 10:40 PM
06/11/18 10:40 PM
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 23,617
New Hampshire
N
Nessmuck Offline
trapper
Nessmuck  Offline
trapper
N

Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 23,617
New Hampshire
They are giving that horse a hand gallop as we speak.....and freezing it ......


It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Bristleback] #6258309
06/11/18 11:23 PM
06/11/18 11:23 PM
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 4,828
central arkansas
T
the Blak Spot Offline
trapper
the Blak Spot  Offline
trapper
T

Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 4,828
central arkansas
Ifrc even Secratariat ran a few after he one the the triple C. (Dont think there will ever be a horse fast as he was)


the just shall live by faith

member FTA, ATA, EAFT
1776 - the year we told a tyrant we weren't to be under a dictator
Caveat ater macula
Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: nramemb] #6258422
06/12/18 08:36 AM
06/12/18 08:36 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,154
Tug Hill, NY
Redknot Offline
trapper
Redknot  Offline
trapper

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,154
Tug Hill, NY
Originally Posted By: nramemb
Originally Posted By: Gary Benson
He could get injured and have to be put down. Just think of the horse nooky he'd be missing out on. If it's a stallion.
Hate to tell you this but horses of that caliber do not bread. they are artificially inseminated


Actually nra, I believe you are incorrect. Thoroughbreds of this caliber are breed naturally (well in breeding barns). The breeding programs are part of the racing culture. All the big fancy farms in Lexington and Paris Ky, where Windstar (Stage Magic) and Adena Springs (Ghostzapper) are, have and use their breeding barns to produce race horses like Justify.


~Illegitimi Non Carborundum~
Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Bristleback] #6258424
06/12/18 08:40 AM
06/12/18 08:40 AM
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,388
East Pensyltucky
Beaglador Offline
trapper
Beaglador  Offline
trapper

Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,388
East Pensyltucky
Gotta chime in and agree with Redknot- I believe that caliber race horse has to be bred by "live cover" and not AI. I'm no expert but pretty sure thats a rule.

Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Bristleback] #6258429
06/12/18 08:41 AM
06/12/18 08:41 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,089
Cheyenne Wyoming
C
Castormound Offline
trapper
Castormound  Offline
trapper
C

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,089
Cheyenne Wyoming
Why do quarterbacks still play after they've won a Super Bowl?


Antelope, the original fast food!!
Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Castormound] #6258495
06/12/18 11:11 AM
06/12/18 11:11 AM
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 986
Iowa
B
Bristleback Offline OP
trapper
Bristleback  Offline OP
trapper
B

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 986
Iowa
Comparing the Super Bowl to the Triple Crown is silly.
You don't see horses attempt to repeat the TC. I don't know if it's rules due to age?

Just checked, the TC races are open to 3 yr old horses.

Last edited by Bristleback; 06/12/18 11:13 AM.
Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: the Blak Spot] #6258497
06/12/18 11:12 AM
06/12/18 11:12 AM
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 3,880
Mn
N
nightlife Offline
trapper
nightlife  Offline
trapper
N

Joined: May 2008
Posts: 3,880
Mn
Originally Posted By: the Blak Spot
Ifrc even Secratariat ran a few after he one the the triple C. (Dont think there will ever be a horse fast as he was)


X2 to bad that as a stud he proved to be a dud hopefully justify the I’ll be able to pass his traits on to his offspring



οΏ½Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks.οΏ½
― Robert A. Heinlein
Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: iowayote] #6258505
06/12/18 11:24 AM
06/12/18 11:24 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 15,697
MN, Land of 10,000 Lakes
T
Trapper7 Offline
trapper
Trapper7  Offline
trapper
T

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 15,697
MN, Land of 10,000 Lakes
Originally Posted By: iowayote
The owners have enough of his DNA on ice to repopulate the entire world with horses of his line.
Running again is just trying to prove the point of "my horse is better than yours"


And he probably is the best horse out there. But, what happens to his stock if he would happen to lose a race? Does his stock suddenly take a hit?


We are told not to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but are told to judge all gunowners by the actions of a few.
Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Bristleback] #6258511
06/12/18 11:31 AM
06/12/18 11:31 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,154
Tug Hill, NY
Redknot Offline
trapper
Redknot  Offline
trapper

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,154
Tug Hill, NY
I'm thinking Ghostzapper's stud fee is going up...


~Illegitimi Non Carborundum~
Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Nessmuck] #6258562
06/12/18 01:19 PM
06/12/18 01:19 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 21,716
Sandhills Nebraska
G
Gary Benson Offline
trapper
Gary Benson  Offline
trapper
G

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 21,716
Sandhills Nebraska
Originally Posted By: Nessmuck
They are giving that horse a hand gallop as we speak.....and freezing it ......


That's a dishonorable discharge...


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Bristleback] #6258578
06/12/18 02:09 PM
06/12/18 02:09 PM
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,979
Alaska
H
Hupurest Offline
"Andy S wannabe"
Hupurest  Offline
"Andy S wannabe"
H

Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,979
Alaska
pretty sure that AI isn't allowed in thouroughbred racing...

If i owned that horse, there would be 5 clones of it already on their way.....
not for racing, but for breeding...


its already done in Polo, and there are a few articles about it.... the top guy (from argentina) has a stable of all cloned horses...with a worth somewhere around $100 million...


Originally Posted By: Malukchuk
I'll take wolves over idiots any day.
Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Bristleback] #6258584
06/12/18 02:37 PM
06/12/18 02:37 PM
Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 132
Kentucky
E
ebfarmer Offline
trapper
ebfarmer  Offline
trapper
E

Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 132
Kentucky
There is no artificial insemination allowed in the race horse business. All foals that race must be the result of live cover.

Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: ebfarmer] #6258628
06/12/18 04:08 PM
06/12/18 04:08 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,338
East-Central Wisconsin
B
bblwi Offline
trapper
bblwi  Offline
trapper
B

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,338
East-Central Wisconsin
If you feel the owner is making an unwise choice why not pony up the money and buy him outright so he won't be put at the risks you are concerned with? Evidently those who bought the 75 million dollars worth of breeding rights are agreeable to this decision as well or it was part of the deal when negotiated.

Bryce

Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Bristleback] #6258900
06/13/18 02:55 AM
06/13/18 02:55 AM
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 986
Iowa
B
Bristleback Offline OP
trapper
Bristleback  Offline OP
trapper
B

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 986
Iowa
LOL now there’s solid advice, great addition to the conversation.

Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Bristleback] #6260133
06/14/18 09:29 PM
06/14/18 09:29 PM
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 1,181
Golconda, IL
nramemb Offline
trapper
nramemb  Offline
trapper

Joined: May 2011
Posts: 1,181
Golconda, IL
I stand corrected. looked it up and you are right Gary.

I lived across from a family that raised thoroughbreds and I would have bet that they used A I on some of there horses.

Sorry Gary Benson

Last edited by nramemb; 06/14/18 10:03 PM.
Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Bristleback] #6260190
06/14/18 11:05 PM
06/14/18 11:05 PM
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 538
s.e. mn
T
timbremn Offline
trapper
timbremn  Offline
trapper
T

Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 538
s.e. mn
Originally Posted By: Bristleback
WOW, I don't get this move, why RISK another outing?? He's proven he's won the 3 most important races= Triple Crown.

I just don't see the upside, tons of downside: injury, loses...…..hummmmm
To prove he's the best horse ever...Thats why

Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Bristleback] #6260231
06/15/18 03:13 AM
06/15/18 03:13 AM
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 4,939
Idaho Falls, ID
G
Grandpa Trapper Offline
trapper
Grandpa Trapper  Offline
trapper
G

Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 4,939
Idaho Falls, ID
Go out a winner while you are on top . That is the way you will be remembered best.

Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Bristleback] #6260355
06/15/18 10:05 AM
06/15/18 10:05 AM
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 986
Iowa
B
Bristleback Offline OP
trapper
Bristleback  Offline OP
trapper
B

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 986
Iowa
Originally Posted By: Bristleback

WOW, I don't get this move, why RISK another outing?? He's proven he's won the 3 most important races= Triple Crown.

I just don't see the upside, tons of downside: injury, loses...…..hummmmm
Timbrem: To prove he's the best horse ever...Thats why

LOL, "to prove he's the best horse ever....That's why."...…..ummmm that's a real longshot at this point, but hey I like an underdog too!
Justify is not doubt a great race horse, but hardly going to enter the mix of the greatest race horse ever......replacing arguably #1 Secretariat??
Justify didn't dominate the Triple Crown races like Secretariat did. Justify didn't have the speed/time nor the dominating finish Secretariat did over the field.
I know the sloppy track conditions, and the Apollo Curse was broken...…..again Justify is a great race horse. I just don't think he replaces #1 Secretariat.

Then toss in the wild card of Restoring Hope, did he help Justify?? I tend to lean toward, each horse had a race to run, run your own race.....Justify won, wire to wire in the Belmont. Look at Gronk, he was out of the screen, dead last by several lengths......and finished 2nd......he ran his OWN race.

Secretariat times: KD 1:59 Preakness 1:53 Belmont 2:24
Justify times …….. KD 2:04 Preakness 1:55 Belmont 2:28...all round numbers.

Last edited by Bristleback; 06/15/18 10:34 AM.
Re: Triple Crown winner: Justify to run again......WHY [Re: Bristleback] #6260773
06/16/18 12:21 AM
06/16/18 12:21 AM
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,148
Illinois
ringtailtrapper Offline
trapper
ringtailtrapper  Offline
trapper

Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,148
Illinois
Originally Posted By: Bristleback
WOW, I don't get this move, why RISK another outing?? He's proven he's won the 3 most important races= Triple Crown.

I just don't see the upside, tons of downside: injury, loses...…..hummmmm



Good question, but things have changed over the years. There was a 37 year span that we had no triple crown winner, then along comes American Pharoah. American Pharoah is the only horse to have won the triple crown, and the breeders cup classic in the same year. The breeders cup series was not even in place 37 years ago, so Pharoah was a the first horse with that opportunity, or better put to make that claim.
Now the reason the owners of Justify wish to keep him running is simple. They will more than likely race him in the Haskell invitational( Monmouth Park), and the Travers stakes(Saratoga). These will be races to keep him fresh for the breeders cup classic(Church hill downs) this fall.
If Justify wins both his prep races for the classic, and caps off the year with a classic win, then they could lay claim to a horse with a completely undefeated season as a 3year old, while winning the triple crown, and the classic. American pharaoh didn't even accomplish that, and he had three triple crown wins, plus a classic win. His loss came in the Travers stakes. Pharoahs life time stats were 11 starts and a record of 9-1-0 only finishing out of the money once. If justify could put together an undefeated 3 year old season, with the triple, and classic wins, then that would be a feat that would put him far and above so many other past winners of the triple crown, and classic.

I think one could claim him as one of the greatest if he accomplishes this, and I say that due to the fact of the amount travel required, and so many different track surfaces, and conditions, across a span of the whole season. That would be the complete package, and something very special if it happens. Odds are against it happening, but it sure would be fun to see happen.

RTT

Last edited by ringtailtrapper; 06/16/18 07:28 AM.

For Sale, Quality Racing Possums
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread