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Re: New Game: Which Trap we already use could hold? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6259262
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i reek of jealousy right now. grin


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Re: New Game: Which Trap we already use could hold? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6259264
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That's incredible Gulo. What an amazing experience that most can only dream of. Thanks for sharing

Re: New Game: Which Trap we already use could hold? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6259284
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That’s awesome Gulo!!


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Re: New Game: Which Trap we already use could hold? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6259300
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Thanks for sharing that Jack. How about some info on your technique for tranquilizing those guys and the procedures after that point. I'm inclined to just make up some fantastic stuff but I know the truth is even more interesting.


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Re: New Game: Which Trap we already use could hold? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6259301
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Glad you posted Gulo



Would you feel comfortable saying what size snare cable would you trust for the big cats? I understand if you aren’t. Just curious is all....


I have no experience with it whatsoever, so I probably shouldn’t even say it, but just for fun I would think 1/8” with a 12/0 inline swivel right behind the loop would do it....





Thank you

Last edited by Aix sponsa; 06/14/18 12:49 AM. Reason: 1/8”

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Re: New Game: Which Trap we already use could hold? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6259331
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Re: New Game: Which Trap we already use could hold? [Re: Gulo] #6259410
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Originally Posted By: Gulo
The (short) story behind the photo....

In early 1993 I took some time off from my job in Alaska to trap tigers for a study of said critters in Far Eastern Russia. Trapped a couple (indeed, Humptulips, with foot snares), then migrated to a different area (near the North Korean border in Russia) and began a study on Far Eastern leopards. Caught some leopards, Himalayan bears, brown bears, and miscellaneous other critters. Was over there for a year right after Glasnost and Perestroika, one of very few westerners in that part of Russia at the time. Stayed a year, then back to Alaska. Returned a couple of times after that to hunt (Russian boar, Roe deer, Sika deer) with a couple of the Russians I worked with that had become fast friends. Was a wonderful year. On the other hand, was happy to get back to interior Alaska.


Absolutely incredible experience. That is just awesome!


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Re: New Game: Which Trap we already use could hold? [Re: ShaneT] #6259496
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Are there many people that trap in Russia? With as much land mass as they have you would think that they would be able to supply a lot of wild fur to the world.

When you were over there did you see any fur buyers or trapping supply dealers?

Re: New Game: Which Trap we already use could hold? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6259502
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I'm just glad it wasn't Beav that caught the tiger

Re: New Game: Which Trap we already use could hold? [Re: v2k] #6259514
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Originally Posted By: v2k
Are there many people that trap in Russia? With as much land mass as they have you would think that they would be able to supply a lot of wild fur to the world.

When you were over there did you see any fur buyers or trapping supply dealers?


I believe Russia produces around 300,000 sable/marten a year. The quality of their sables are quite broad, some of sections look just like interior Alaska marten, others such as those found in the Barguzin region are a lot different (incredibly beautiful). But then Russia is a huge place, its no wonder there are differences in the various sections.

Regarding tiger trapping; my Siberian friend says their gauge of a big tiger is when you take off you fur hat and place it over the tiger track, if the track is larger than the hat it's a big tiger. Sound like maybe a #6 Newhouse.


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Re: New Game: Which Trap we already use could hold? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6259531
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Watch happy people on Netflix? I know it’s on YouTube for sure. One guy was running over a thousand hand made deadfalls for Marten. Awesome documentary showing a year in their life. A tiger? Not many can say they’ve trapped a tiger. That’s awesome.


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Re: New Game: Which Trap we already use could hold? [Re: Aix sponsa] #6259544
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Originally Posted By: Aix sponsa
Glad you posted Gulo



Would you feel comfortable saying what size snare cable would you trust for the big cats? I understand if you aren’t. Just curious is all....


I have no experience with it whatsoever, so I probably shouldn’t even say it, but just for fun I would think 1/8” with a 12/0 inline swivel right behind the loop would do it....





Thank you


My guess would be 5/16" minimum. Both for strength and minimal damage to the cat


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Re: New Game: Which Trap we already use could hold? [Re: waggler] #6259545
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Originally Posted By: waggler
Originally Posted By: v2k
Are there many people that trap in Russia? With as much land mass as they have you would think that they would be able to supply a lot of wild fur to the world.

When you were over there did you see any fur buyers or trapping supply dealers?


I believe Russia produces around 300,000 sable/marten a year. The quality of their sables are quite broad, some of sections look just like interior Alaska marten, others such as those found in the Barguzin region are a lot different (incredibly beautiful). But then Russia is a huge place, its no wonder there are differences in the various sections.

Regarding tiger trapping; my Siberian friend says their gauge of a big tiger is when you take off you fur hat and place it over the tiger track, if the track is larger than the hat it's a big tiger. Sound like maybe a #6 Newhouse.


If I had to guess, and HAD to use a foothold, a #6 Newhouse would be my starting point


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Re: New Game: Which Trap we already use could hold? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6259546
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I always heard, you had to catch a Tiger by the tail,pcr2. Next thing I might say is,It is absolutely fantastic to be on a trapping site with probably one of the only men in North America to have been fortunate enough to trap a Siberian Tiger. Not to say the least, the same Man getting to trap other Russian animals. Sir it is my Honor to be on this site with you and typing this note to you. Congratulations.

Re: New Game: Which Trap we already use could hold? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6259549
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Exactly Don !! It has been my privilege to know jack for over 30 years. He has the most inquisitive mind I have ever known. He has a world of experience. He has way more questions than answers. That's the way it should be IMO.


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Re: New Game: Which Trap we already use could hold? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6259774
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Gulo, did Bart work with you on the leopard project also or did he stick to the tigers?


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Re: New Game: Which Trap we already use could hold? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6260321
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White 17...

For tranquilizing, we used a dart gun to deliver the drugs when I first got to Russia. I modified this technique by going to a blow-gun delivery, and the big cats and bears didn't go ballistic when I switched over to the blow-gun. It was a lot easier on them, and thus on me. I still prefer the blow-gun, and use it exclusively on trapped wolves, lions, and bears even now.

Aix...

On the tigers, we used 1/2" cable. 1/8" would have been much too thin. Remember, these things were well over 600 lbs, and very strong.

v2k...

Where I was in Russia and at the time (1993/94), there were very few trappers. Most of the good fur and the trappers were farther north in Siberia. There were 4 different species of marten (Russian sable, yellow-throated marten, stone marten, and beech marten), Eurasian badgers, tree squirrels, raccoon-dogs, American mink, red fox, and, of course, big cats. By law at that time, all fur had to be sold to the government fur buyers, but, despite that, you did see raw and tanned furs for sale in the open markets in the bigger cities.

newhouse114...

Bart replaced me on the tiger work when I started the leopard project. When I returned to Alaska, Bart did go down south and did a short stint on the leopards, but pretty much stayed with the tiger project.


Jeesh, you guys. I just happened to be at the right place at the right time. It was an incredible experience, one I'd not care to trade for anything. On the other hand, there are any number of folks that are on this forum that could have done the same thing as well or better than me.

Re: New Game: Which Trap we already use could hold? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6260347
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Thanks for the reply. Very interesting gig


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Re: New Game: Which Trap we already use could hold? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6260439
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Jack, was the dart gun doing tissue damage or was it the audible that got them riled up ?

Right place at the right time ??? I don't think so. I seem to recall that YOU were requested specifically for the job.

And what about that POW wolf deal a couple years back ?? Seems that might have been a specific request also. A bit too modest there Jackson !


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Re: New Game: Which Trap we already use could hold? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6260453
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Originally Posted By: nyhuntfish
Theory: IF there are indeed 7,000 tigers in the US and say... (guessing here:) 3/4 of them aren't in a zoo....

And say: If they got loose and bred, there would be more.

So Say: If this happened (Example: in a bad economy where it were expensive to keep the tiger and people just dumped them like stupid people DO as we know already with other animals like house cats and snakes)...

Would the Trapper have a new fur bearer to trap?

And if so...What trap we use today (not buying anything new) could reliably hold a tiger?

http://www.trappersreport.com/story/Aside_7000-Tigers-in-the-US

If the answer is "only snares" then my game doesn't work. But it's worth asking. Yes first I would shoot then I would snare but what IF I wanted to use a foothold/conibear?


I would be kind of partial to the Browning 1919. but if you don't have a crew to serve it the Rem .300 mag should suffice.


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