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#6259802 - 06/14/18 11:28 AM Alaska trapper cabin permits
isnarewolves Offline
trapper

Registered: 04/05/07
Posts: 133
Loc: fairbanks,ak.
I am looking for some trappers who have recently applied for a trappers cabin permit, and what the conditions to the permit stipulate. I would also like some permit condition form 5-10 years ago.
I have had some trappers inquire can the DNR do what they did, as far as the conditions to the permit. I have researched the statues and regulations and i have found some inconsistencies. So i need a few trappers that have trapper cabin permits. So i can compile data to present to the DNR or legislature. You can privet message me or call me (907) 452-6047 to get my email. Thanks.
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#6259811 - 06/14/18 11:42 AM Re: Alaska trapper cabin permits [Re: isnarewolves]
white17 Offline

"General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington"

Registered: 03/17/07
Posts: 25242
Loc: McGrath, AK
Not only have they made changes to the conditions of the permit ( I'm not sure they have the authority to do so) but the terms seem to be different from one region to another.

I just renewed mine and the terms are now about 10 pages long...whereas they were about 1 page 30 years ago.

Pete probably has some insight on this
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#6259819 - 06/14/18 11:54 AM Re: Alaska trapper cabin permits [Re: white17]
isnarewolves Offline
trapper

Registered: 04/05/07
Posts: 133
Loc: fairbanks,ak.
How much did you pay for a renewal White?
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#6259839 - 06/14/18 12:27 PM Re: Alaska trapper cabin permits [Re: isnarewolves]
white17 Offline

"General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington"

Registered: 03/17/07
Posts: 25242
Loc: McGrath, AK
On june 11, 2017 I paid $100.00
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#6259957 - 06/14/18 04:06 PM Re: Alaska trapper cabin permits [Re: isnarewolves]
FL cracker in AK Offline
trapper

Registered: 09/11/13
Posts: 433
Loc: AK
I would like to build a trappers cabin, but if I read the regulations right, you can't build one on federal land. It is much too far for me to go to get to state land. I wish they would change these regs in reguards to building on federal land. It is a hardship for me and my trapping partner. We travel about 250 miles round trip to check the line. It is a productive line, but it would be nice to have a cabin.
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#6260017 - 06/14/18 06:02 PM Re: Alaska trapper cabin permits [Re: isnarewolves]
wy.wolfer Offline
trapper

Registered: 01/24/14
Posts: 1491
Loc: Co.-Wy. part time AK.
I wish our bureaucrats had to find a regulation that they were required to get rid of before they were able to install a new law or regulation. These dip-hits wonder why young people today aren't getting involved in the outdoors like in years past, it's just more complicated and difficult to participate! More rules and regulation will inevitably result in less participation, they just don't get it.

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#6260191 - 06/14/18 10:08 PM Re: Alaska trapper cabin permits [Re: isnarewolves]
Top Jimmy Offline
"Assistant Speling Zcar"

Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 4726
Loc: Alaska, USA
They get it, and that is why they do it. I think they do want less participation so they can control places.

-TJ
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#6260371 - 06/15/18 09:45 AM Re: Alaska trapper cabin permits [Re: isnarewolves]
Pete in Frbks Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 2990
Loc: Fairbanks, Alaska
TJ pretty much has the overall problem described in a nutshell!

Ken Fanning and I drafted the original TCCP bill back in the 1970's. It was introduced in the Legislature by Rep Red Swanson of Nenana and passed handily. We wrote it to make it as "DNR-proof" as possible! I also worked on drafting the original set of regulations; ATA was in on that process as well (I was a DNR employee at the time. Much to their dismay...!)

But over the years, DNR has been gradually ratcheting down on the permits, making them more and more difficult to obtain and maintain. Which, as Jim suggests, is the crux of the issue. Yuppies in cubicles have no idea of why cabins are important to trappers. And they don't understand why we should be allowed to build and use them on "their" land!

I'm working with Al. And with Randy at ATA. (Not just on the State process, but also on trapper cabins on Federal land) On the State side, we hope to pull together plenty of evidence of what is going on, but we need the help of trappers who have dealt with DNR lately trying to apply for TCCPs. My opinion is that there is little sense in trying to get DNR to begin managing this program to comply with the original intent of the law. Rather, it is going to require a LEGISLATIVE solution. We need to have the legislature make some additions to the statutes (law) that DNR will not be able to manipulate to suit their own purposes.

A lot of this could also hinge on who is elected Governor this fall. While I doubt that Walker can be reelected (thank goodness...) having Begich get in would be disasterous and only result in a worse and more controlling and anti-trapping DNR. In my opinion, any one of Dunleavy, Hawkins or Treadwell would be a lot more likely to treat us fairly. Treadwell is probably the best champion of State's rights and dealing with Federal overreach, but it is important that we support whomever can beat Begich.

Be active and involved. If you have had experience dealing with DNR on TCCPs, please let Al or I know about it and get us copies of your permit conditions.

Pete

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#6260393 - 06/15/18 10:40 AM Re: Alaska trapper cabin permits [Re: isnarewolves]
Hankit Offline
trapper

Registered: 11/03/12
Posts: 21
Loc: Interior Alaska
I renewed mine 4 years ago when Stu was still working the permits. I guess he retired. It was 10 years and $100 and the paperwork was the same as it had been 10 years before that. When I sent in the evidence this year the new lady just wanted me to take pictures of the cabins to add to the files.
A friend was approved this last winter on new construction of a cabin and it was his first permitting. He said the state required a $1000 deposit before he could build to insure removal and cleanup of site when he was done. I have not looked at the new paperwork online to see what has changed if anything since I renewed.

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#6260568 - 06/15/18 04:44 PM Re: Alaska trapper cabin permits [Re: isnarewolves]
Malukchuk Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/14/11
Posts: 2137
Loc: western alaska
Do you have a link to the current regulations Pete?
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#6260954 - 06/16/18 09:51 AM Re: Alaska trapper cabin permits [Re: Malukchuk]
Pete in Frbks Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 2990
Loc: Fairbanks, Alaska
Originally Posted By: Malukchuk
Do you have a link to the current regulations Pete?


In Alaska Statutes, see AS 38.95.075 for permitting cabins existing before 1986, and AS 38.95.080 for permitting construction of a cabin.

In the regulations, see 11 AAC 94.010 - .410

Pete

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#6261974 - 06/18/18 12:30 AM Re: Alaska trapper cabin permits [Re: isnarewolves]
martentrapper Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 1178
Loc: Moved to Fbks, Ak.
Fed land cabins depend on which fed entity holds the land. We have F&W Service, Park Service, Forest Service, BLM. It also depends on who the manager of that particular unit is.
I have a pre 1980 cabin on F&W land and have been very lucky to have a cooperative manager for a long time.

mt

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#6266462 - 06/24/18 09:33 PM Re: Alaska trapper cabin permits [Re: isnarewolves]
Dirt Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/01/10
Posts: 3902
Loc: Armpit, ak
"The Authorized Officer reserves the right to modify the stipulations attached and made part of this permit or attach additional stipulations when deemed necessary."

"Authorized improvements including the roofs must be painted a color that blends with the natural surroundings"

Brown or green in summer and white in winter? crazy
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#6266712 - 06/25/18 11:23 AM Re: Alaska trapper cabin permits [Re: Dirt]
isnarewolves Offline
trapper

Registered: 04/05/07
Posts: 133
Loc: fairbanks,ak.
Dirt, That is what it says on the permit. But statues and law determine what authority/desecration the officer has, and limits him/her to what is outline in statue and regulation for "trap line Cabin permit". They(DNR) can not make up conditions to a permit that are in statue or regulation for this permit. They can not use laws or regulations from in mining, remote cabins, DEC,EPA and so on. Painting your cabin is not found in regulation, something someone made up.
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#6266720 - 06/25/18 11:36 AM Re: Alaska trapper cabin permits [Re: isnarewolves]
Dirt Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/01/10
Posts: 3902
Loc: Armpit, ak
If I remember right, on my first permit I was not allowed to use the cabin during moose hunting season (added language). Unfortunately, moose hunting seasons are open most of the winter here for me under subsistence. crazy

I did remember right. In Bold "The cabin may not be occupied for any reason during moose hunting season."


Edited by Dirt (06/25/18 11:40 AM)
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#6266754 - 06/25/18 12:35 PM Re: Alaska trapper cabin permits [Re: Dirt]
isnarewolves Offline
trapper

Registered: 04/05/07
Posts: 133
Loc: fairbanks,ak.
Yes Dirt,this is another condition to the permit that is not found in statue or regulation. It is something the DNR is adding to permits. Your are a good example of a cookie cutter restriction that does not work, nor can a trapper comply with. Subsistence has the highest priority. Yet the DNR seems to think you have to chose what subsistence opportunity you want to engage in, trapping or hunting. Dirt it would be nice to have a copy of your permit, if i could.
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#6266766 - 06/25/18 12:55 PM Re: Alaska trapper cabin permits [Re: isnarewolves]
Dirt Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/01/10
Posts: 3902
Loc: Armpit, ak
I can get it together in July. I'm in and out working down river. PM me a mailing address.
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#6266774 - 06/25/18 01:08 PM Re: Alaska trapper cabin permits [Re: Dirt]
isnarewolves Offline
trapper

Registered: 04/05/07
Posts: 133
Loc: fairbanks,ak.
Thanks Dirt. I could use several more state permits so i can show the DNR overreach on issuing trap line cabins.
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