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over 100 illegals arrested yesterday #6263480
06/20/18 08:36 AM
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So a local Fresh Mark plant by me got raided yesterday and they hauled out over 100 workers for being illegals. My son said he had to deliver parts to a Case Farms plant that is close to there as well and he said there's hardly anybody there that even speaks English. There are two other Fresh Mark plants close by that are being targeted as well. These illegals are now gonna be separated from their spouses and kids. Whats everyones thoughts? My wife and I argue that its terrible they are getting separated and deported. I say they came here illegally, bought fake ID's, knowingly broke the law and it also opens up over 100 jobs for Americans here? I also told her does she feel bad for the guy that robs a convenience store and goes to jail even though he has 2 (or 20) kids at home that he's being separated from, she says no that's different. Sorry, no its not.


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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6263484
06/20/18 08:39 AM
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Businesses that knowingly hire illegals should be have all of their assets seized and auctioned off, why do we only/mostly target illegals and not the businesses that employ them? This would end immigration problems nearly immediately.

Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6263516
06/20/18 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted By: Donnersurvivor
Businesses that knowingly hire illegals should be have all of their assets seized and auctioned off, why do we only/mostly target illegals and not the businesses that employ them? This would end immigration problems nearly immediately.
this! Democrats are to blame for the separation of families. They are the enablers. And when bad situations like this happen, they're going to point the finger at Trump. LOL! If they weren't such a dangerous threat to democracy they would be hilarious.


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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6263521
06/20/18 09:11 AM
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i dont feel bad for me personally. like said they knew what they were doin and what theyve been doin. apparently all of em never expected anything to happen either. glad to see a bit a change

Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6263530
06/20/18 09:20 AM
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Seize the business's assets and use them to relocate the families back in their home countries.

Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6263538
06/20/18 09:30 AM
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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6263541
06/20/18 09:32 AM
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Stupid libtard democrats need to quit sending mixed messages

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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6263548
06/20/18 09:35 AM
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we should be harder on the businesses , but for what ever reason don't. one would suspect because many businesses using illegal labor have some pull at the state and federal level.

it should be hard on them now with no labor and lots of work to get done and 3% unemployment.

large portions of our industry has depended on Illegal labor for decades , there does need to be a way for them to get legal labor but you and I know that it is about the bottom line and securing visas costs money and takes time. Hiring legal labor you have to provide a decent wage and follow safety protocols and provide some benefits.

as for separating kids from their families , I have been thinking on that , My wife is also very upset about this , yeah they know just how to tug at their heart strings with these media reports and they are not as desensitized to the media sensationalism.

some questions I had

what did they do 2-3 years ago and how is this different or is it just greater number because of increased enforcement?

one thing my wife said was this includes people who brought their families to the border and asked for asylum. how was that handled 2-3 years ago?

these bussinesses claim that they need them.
I am not so sure they need them it is clear that businesses use these people as labor but they also use them up.

you can't be all about rights if you still treat people as if they are disposable wear them out and let them go no care taken to reduce long term injury just disposable people.

so it is clear that disposable humans make for a lower cost of labor.

We clearly have issues on both sides of this mess.

enforcement is clearly very expensive also.

I think that congress should offer a one year exit amnesty program coupled with a registration period say Jan 1 to DEC 31, 2019 at the same time if they have a company that wants to sponsor them and they register and have no outstanding criminal issues then 5 year visa should be awarded with the requirement that the company post a 10k bond for that person after all they were here illegally and should they break the terms of the visa the bond will help with their capture in an immigration warrant either they are invaluable to you as an employer or they are not a bond helps with the fact that you were hiring them illegally and they were here illegally . nothing goes so smooth as people doing something voluntarily even if you had to set conditions so that they would want to volunteer.



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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6263549
06/20/18 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted By: Donnersurvivor
Businesses that knowingly hire illegals should be have all of their assets seized and auctioned off, why do we only/mostly target illegals and not the businesses that employ them? This would end immigration problems nearly immediately.


I agree, however I am not sure they know if they have the proper (albiet fake) paperwork. I think companies can play dumb?


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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6263550
06/20/18 09:38 AM
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I think you all have summed it up.

I feel for the kids but their parents put them into the situation with the dems support.

Businesses should be held accountable for aiding to the situation. Think of the profit they made and will most likely get no repercussions.

Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6263557
06/20/18 09:45 AM
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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6263608
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There should be no separation of these families. Send them back, altogether.

Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6263617
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Most illegal, Hispanic workers are men, who if they even have families, leave their families, back in their home countries. They mostly live in crowded rental houses, full of other illegal alien men. They send much of the money they make back to their home countries.

The media is promoting the tremendous lie that it is mostly families being caught entering the US. It's mostly single men and older teenage boys, invading our country to find work.

Keith

Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6263644
06/20/18 12:32 PM
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Historically, criminals have been separated from their families. That's the way it is.

The USA has gotten soft and women have too much to say. Too many liberals who want America to go down the tubes....

I believe this will all hit a head sooner than later. It could get mighty ugly.


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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: Marty] #6263655
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I believe this will all hit a head sooner than later. It could get mighty ugly.


It's ALREADY Been Ugly For A Long Time, Martin !!! shocked

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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6263656
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Originally Posted By: Donnersurvivor
Businesses that knowingly hire illegals should be have all of their assets seized and auctioned off, why do we only/mostly target illegals and not the businesses that employ them? This would end immigration problems nearly immediately.


The key word is "knowingly"... you need to prove that the business KNEW that the person had fake documents, and then still hired them anyhow....

If they have a SS#, a state ID that match, then what? I am unaware of a database that a company can use to search and see if the ss# matches the name. so when they type it in, Jesus Espenoza's SS# doesn't match Doris McGinny that the ss# belongs to....


Perhaps that would be the solution.....everytime anyone gets a job, they get a background check like a 4473, to make sure everything matches...
But, thats just more government.... and we all know what more government creates......Problems....

and calls to seize the business and assets? what is this, Venezuela?
and you'd be in favor of putting all the Americans working there out of jobs, because the company unknowingly hired 20 illegals to pluck chicken feathers?


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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: Hupurest] #6263660
06/20/18 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted By: Hupurest
Originally Posted By: Donnersurvivor
Businesses that knowingly hire illegals should be have all of their assets seized and auctioned off, why do we only/mostly target illegals and not the businesses that employ them? This would end immigration problems nearly immediately.


The key word is "knowingly"... you need to prove that the business KNEW that the person had fake documents, and then still hired them anyhow....

If they have a SS#, a state ID that match, then what? I am unaware of a database that a company can use to search and see if the ss# matches the name. so when they type it in, Jesus Espenoza's SS# doesn't match Doris McGinny that the ss# belongs to....
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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: walleyed] #6263665
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Originally Posted By: walleyed
Originally Posted By: Marty


I believe this will all hit a head sooner than later. It could get mighty ugly.


It's ALREADY Been Ugly For A Long Time, Martin !!! shocked

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No really, conservatives did not get ugly thru 8 years of bo. They did nothing like what the libs are doing now and it will escalate daily. Its more OK to berate a white man than a black man. That's the new equality.


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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6263711
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The packing plants here always got a heads up the day before on the raids the places were about 1/2 empty on raid day! Someone was getting a fat envelope someplace! mad


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