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tariffs... #6264757
06/22/18 07:05 AM
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reading the business section in this morning paper got me to thinking. with china and the european union hitting back with their own tariffs on american goods plus Canada jump`in on the band wagon, it can`t be good on our wild fur market. i do understand trumps thinking and the why's behind it and can only hope we out last and turn it around for fair trade for all. with the market down already, i hate to think what the next fur season brings. just hope it gets worked out right quick!! do you think it will hit the ranch mink and foxes markets as well??

Re: tariffs... [Re: flash] #6264837
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Fair trade doesn't come about by making trade more unfair.

Re: tariffs... [Re: flash] #6264849
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Just more taxes the people will be paying one way or another is all, when they run out of taxes they already have they start making them up to collect more like a wheel tax or carbon tax or just raise the ones they have in place.


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A report i read about the G7 in Canada said our President shut them up with one statement, but the MSM isn't reporting it.

He asked them if they wanted free trade, as in North America Free trade Agreement? (NAFTA)

He said, lets have free trade, who all wants to drop all tariffs and have free trade? He didn't get any takers, lol.
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-sug...7-summit-2018-6
LET THE BEST COUNTRY WIN!

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Re: tariffs... [Re: flash] #6264907
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I think Trump is doing the right thing, we need to even the playing field. It may get a little squirrly but it'll work it's self out with the US coming out in better shape imo.


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Re: tariffs... [Re: flash] #6264911
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Past Presidents have been on board with giving our country away. Glad we finally got one in that's for us.

These other countries are gonna throw a fit, they've been profiting off us for decades while we borrow money to give them. Crazy.

Re: tariffs... [Re: flash] #6264917
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I have no idea how steel and aluminum tariffs or the counter-tariffs would effect the wild fur market.

All the economists tell us that tariffs always have a negative economic effect on all parties. Yet, when we impose a tariff, other nations respond by instituting their own retaliatory tariffs. Don't they know they are hurting themselves by doing so? If the U.S. is supposedly so stupid for putting these tariffs in place, why are the other nations doing the same thing? Are all the national leaders ignorant fools and only the economists in the textbooks and news outlets know the truth? I don't get it.


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None shall take thee
From the Strength of Israel's hands.

Re: tariffs... [Re: flash] #6264921
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If a slightly poorer fur market is the result of protecting an industry critical to our national defense, I guess I can live with it.


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Bound by everlasting bands?
None shall take thee
From the Strength of Israel's hands.

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China pretty much done in fur a couple years ago when they cracked down on fur buyers.

(yes, tariffs)

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Re: tariffs... [Re: flash] #6264929
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I think the fur market is so incredibly small on a relative basis, that there will be no direct impact from tariffs. What will impact it is currency manipulation by China in response to our tariffs. I think that is far more likely because China can't hurt us much with tariffs because they actually import much less from us than we do from them.


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Re: tariffs... [Re: white17] #6265004
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The $1.50 lost per bushel in the soybean market already due to just the rumors will cost the USA and rural America about $500-%700 million dollars in local revenue to spend. 1 million coons at $15 per coon is $15 million. 4.5 million ranch mink at $50 per pelt is only $225 million so yes the wild fur market is a drop in the bucket if that even.

Bryce

Re: tariffs... [Re: flash] #6265005
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I hear the crannberry folks up north are xoncerned as some sort of retaliatory tariff went into effect agaunat US crannberries

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There's gonna be some pain on our side, no doubt.

We can't keep going down the same path we were on. sooner or later we can't borrow enough money to keep that up.

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It still burns my butt when they decided that not labeling US meat products was somehow fair to other countries as they don't meet our standards of quality and production. So I guess them raising their standards was not a thing to consider to be competitive I the world market.


Right up there with when they said sending out jobs overseas was so good for us, someone's making a buck on this you can bet on that.


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I hear talk of suspending your US patents by Canada and other countries in retaliation for the tariffs.Canada can put as much tariffs as they want and it would do nothing to the US in comparison to what the US tariffs will do to harm our economy here.
The only option we have to hurt you back in a similar way is to suspend your patent protection here,and start manufacturing things like drugs etc that we could not do under the international patent laws.
In the long run this will be good for Canada because we have become too dependent on the US as a market for our goods and raw material.In the short term it will be rough until new foreign markets open up.

The Canadian dollar will drop against the USD in the future because of this,which will be a big bonus to Canadian Fur producers,and other exporting industries,but only if the USD remains the world currency,which may not be the case for too much longer.
It will be no good at all for companys that buy from the US.They will have to find alternative suppliers.Lots of lost jobs here in a lot of industries until things shake out.

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I'm not finding much sympathy for "trade partners" who regularly tax US imports and are now feeling the sting of the US doing the same.

Either it's free trade or it isnt...

Them's the breaks.

Mike


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I just saw a poll that stated 62% of Americans say maintaining good relations with other countries is important vs 25% that say imposing tariffs is a good thing.

I didn't get that phone call. Did anybody here get one?

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didn`t get one here. have no problem with trump doing his thing. it`s just wild trappers seem to be the last in line when it comes to moving your fur.

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I doubt that 1 tenth of 1% of the US population is savvy enough to have an educated opinion on whether tarriffs are good or bad for our country.


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Yep...we wouldnt want the fur market to drop!


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