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Someone at the FTA today was telling me parts of the Wall, SD Buffalo Gap National Grassland is off limits to prairie dog hunting because of some sort of what I think he called the Black footed ferrot. I've hunted there. I wonder how common this is out west with this apparent protected ferrot effecting prairie dog hunting opportunity.
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Just a small area in a big place nothing to sweat it about! Buffalo gap, Ft. Pierre grassland a the Black Hills Nat Forest are open to the public.
Ted Turner has some huge tracks of land in a few counties out West there also that protect the swift fox and the ferrets also.
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Tactical I live just a few miles down the river from where ferrets were originally found. They did reintroduce the ferrets back on a couple of those ranches a couple of years ago
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They always say if you find some endangered slug on your ranch then you never found it! LOL
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Black Footed Ferrets are cool little beasts. They are likely the least known of all our "weasel family" mammals, and the only one of that family (Mustelidae) that, at one time or another, wasn't part of the fur trade. They were , apparently, not common even when they were first "discovered" by modern taxonomists. I would love to get a glimpse of one sometime. They are teetering on the very edge of extinction.
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Them burrowing owls that hang out in the dog towns are cool also they are something to see!
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I would also love to see them, although I have seen Burrowing Owls in the past. They are so-so common in, of all places, central and southern Florida. Some of the old folks down there when I was a kid called them "Ground Owls".
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People whine and complain about the ferrets but they only affect a few SMALL areas. Its the ranchers that hate the government and the hunters that dont care about anything but what they want to shoot. Ferrets are awesome little critters, I have trapped and handled wild ferrets and they are pretty neat to see in the wild. I have no problem letting a few prairie dogs live in peace to have a few ferrets around. Especially since they are pretty dang endangered.
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A friend of mine was the ranch manager who was told they couldn't bring a dog along to work cows on over 40,000 acres because it was on the reservation and the Federal government tells you what goes. As far as I know the blackfooted ferret was never reintroduced out there after all the head aches. Allan
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Law dog I was driving a county black top few years ago, saw a borrow owl in a badger hole in road ditch, told fish n game guy and one went out and found owl scat, but owl wasn't there Pretty small owl
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USFWS trapped all the ferrets they were aware of to save them and breed them. while in captivity they got plague and died. every single one. USFWS thought they were extinct. then they found some more. they have no clue how endangered they are or if they even are. inept bunch of government stooges. cwd used to be called scrappie till it was introduced into the deer and elk herds by,,, wait for it,,,,, USFWS working with the university in ft Collins co.
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plague and prairie dogs go together like peas and carrots aje
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I never seen one wiped out handi trapper. never known there not to be a plague warning either
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USFWS thought they were extinct. then they found some more. they have no clue how endangered they are or if they even are. inept bunch of government stooges. Really? You must not work with the USFWS very much, or be very informed about the research they do with ferrets. Im sure those inept biologists dont know very much about those ferrets, should probably leave it up to the ranchers.
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I never seen one wiped out handi trapper. never known there not to be a plague warning either The only plague I know of comes from my 22.250’s @ 3900 fps. lol
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really rino? why then did all those experts in wildlife biology let what was at the time the entire population die? they impress me about as much as people who refuse to mow my lawn when I find them begging at an intersection. fwiw I know where a few are in wy. no way im telling USFWS. I don't want locked out
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hey rino, scrappie in deer and elk. USFWS working in co yes or no?
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I don't shoot them I trap there. when I shoot prairie dogs its for bait. killing stuff just to kill it doesn't thrill me
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I know a lot of good Federal professionals. Stooges isn't something that comes to mind when I think of them.
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Where are those professionals when people want you to not trap wolves? real nice of them to tell WY they can't legally kill any outside of Yellowstone. Stooges is exactly the right word. why not find out why you can't buy seal oil or meat or fur? are seals endangered? what about elephant ivory legally harvested? What word would you use?
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hey rino, scrappie in deer and elk. USFWS working in co yes or no? Your right danny on the CWD and CO thing. Most media turn their head on the origin of CWD. It did involve starving deer and sheep in the same enclosure. And even when cervids were sick and dying they continued to sell extras from there.
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Some confusion here between the people that work for USFWS and the people in charge of them that get the rules from the people above them that know nothing about what the heck is even going on! LOL Who here has never got the stupidest directions from a supervisor in the past?
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Lower Brule Indian Reservation is choked with them they have a several mile long strip along the Missouri river road that is solid dogs.
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Lower Brule Indian Reservation is choked with them they have a several mile long strip along the Missouri river road that is solid dogs. Is that all deeded and alow shooting by permission?
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Check with the Wildlife office it's on Corp take ground, the local I talked to said a guy could go shoot them but I'd check with the CO there 1st! (605) 473-5666
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You generally have to pay to shoot dogs on the rez. Rosebud anyway. Ft Pierre Grassland you can shoot dogs for no fee.
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Some Reservations you need a guide also some you just go and shoot, some have a lot of tribal lands some are deeded lands mostly so it's always good to call first!
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Are those guides very helpful? Sure if ya like to party! LOL
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Are those guides very helpful? Sure if ya like to party! LOL Lol Yeah they are helpful. + some will eat them or use them in a ceremony. I haven't hunted or ate them in a long time.
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prairie dog hunting isn't really hunting. you just find a spot with a good view and start shooting. they are prolific breeders and shooting them wont endanger the species. it is just as fun though to set out a hundred empty pop cans, get back how ever far and shoot them. don't forget to pick your cans back up. unlike dead prairie dogs nothing eats dead pop cans. I sure wouldn't spend much to shoot prairie dogs. watch out for rattle snakes anytime your around dog towns. especially a warm afternoon in late winter early spring
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Are those guides very helpful? The guides set you up on top of a hill overlooking a big dog town and leave you there. Not much guiding needed after that. The shooters I see set up have very nice shooting benches, rifles, and high-end optics. They're into tack-driving at a long distance.
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I've heard that the guides on the rez near here get $300/day or $3000 for the season to guide an elk hunt, and they have screwed up more hunts than they help.
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Are those guides very helpful? Sure if ya like to party! LOL I’m sure 20 cases of Budweiser will get you on some of their so called hot spots. lol
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prairie dog hunting isn't really hunting. you just find a spot with a good view and start shooting. they are prolific breeders and shooting them wont endanger the species. it is just as fun though to set out a hundred empty pop cans, get back how ever far and shoot them. don't forget to pick your cans back up. unlike dead prairie dogs nothing eats dead pop cans. I sure wouldn't spend much to shoot prairie dogs. watch out for rattle snakes anytime your around dog towns. especially a warm afternoon in late winter early spring Hunting prairie dogs is way more fun than shooting pop cans. Just my opinion.
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well the little owls, kit fox, badgers ,coyotes and even those cute little cannibals the prairie dogs all got to eat. I don't have a problem with people shooting them just don't understand calling it hunting. its just shooting.
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The biggest problem is shot up towns that when you pull into them the dogs go under ground and they don't pop up much just the stupid one now and then. It happens a lot on public and private ground that gets a lot of pressure.
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I think you are just one of the people who will never be happy with a government agency, especially a wildlife agency. To save an entire population would require stopping all shooting of prairie dogs, how well would that go over with the public? They dont have an easy job, somebody will always be unhappy. You just said yourself, they let an entire species go extinct because they are stooges. BUT, now you know where a few live and you wont tell them because YOU are too concerned about loosing a dog town to shoot at. It aint an easy job when all you deal with is the public and their one sided views and opinions. One needs to research the BFF Recovery effort. Especially the part when they bred BFF to a Russian species they thought were close. And the train wreck that ensued after that. Not everything research does is correct, nor does it make them God. CWD originating at CSU Research facility and those deer being sold to Alberta. Green back cut throat trout recovery effort, (raised the wrong species) the list is simply endless on failed efforts.
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I don't know if it's true but I once heard 223 barrels last longer than 22-250s. Throat erosion is usually the typical problem with most. A .223 has considerably less case capacity. Thus lower velocities and longer barrel life. But faster, thin jacketed projectiles make for a bigger mess of the little critters. And that is @ least half of the fun. Probably more.
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204 I think is pricier ammo though. I haven't priced it lately.
Does the sun/mirrage often require you to turn your scope down below 24?
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