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Gettysburg July 1-3 #6270544
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While everyone is sitting in the AC complaining of the heat, take a moment to remember that the battle of Gettysburg was fought for 3 days in this kind of heat, the first 3 days of July, 1863. Imagine wearing heavy course wool and marching for miles, and then fighting at the end of the march. Imagine the smell of thousands of dead horses and men left unburied for days.


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Re: Gettysburg July 1-3 [Re: coonlove] #6270546
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Re: Gettysburg July 1-3 [Re: coonlove] #6270554
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Those men were tougher than a bag full of sledge hammers


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Re: Gettysburg July 1-3 [Re: coonlove] #6270559
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Seems like there’s a lot of people nowadays that want us to forget it

Re: Gettysburg July 1-3 [Re: coonlove] #6270565
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"The Battle of Gettysburg is said to be the bloodiest battle of the American Civil War. Fought in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, July 1 through 3 in 1863, historians put the number of causalities and missing Union and Confederate soldiers at 46,286. Death tolls mounted even in the days following the battle as wounded left on the fields succumbed to their injuries and the elements. Bayonets, rifled muskets, cannons and infections all contributed to the carnage that took place 151 years ago today. The weather, however, created some causalities as well.

A Gettysburg man by the name of Rev. Dr. Michael Jacobs, a math professor at what was then called Pennsylvania College, had a strong interest in weather and recorded his observations three times a day, every day, even during the battle. As a result, the "Meteorology of the Battle", was published, and it gives very specific details on the weather at the Battle of Gettysburg and the role it may have played in battle.

Ben Neely, Executive Director at the Adams County Historical Society, emphasized that the most damaging aspect of the weather for this event actually occurred on July 4, the day after the battle had ended. Rain fell across the area for most of the day; Rev. Dr. Jacobs put the total at 1.39 inches. While wounded still lay on the field, some may have felt welcomed by the break in action. Some wounded soldiers had still not been moved from low-lying areas by the Plum Run Creek, however, which overflowed its banks. Those stranded near the flood waters, reportedly all Confederates, drowned.



According to AccuWeather's former Vice President of Marketing and Civil War historian Dr. Lee Rainey, an even larger issue that was faced as a result of the rain was the retreat attempts made by the Confederate Army on July 4.

"They had to move a 17-mile-long train of wagons filled with wounded soldiers over the dissolving dirt roads back to Virginia," he said. "And the rains caused the Potomac River--easily fordable on the march north--to flow so high that the army was trapped on the north side with the Union forces in pursuit. The Confederates dug in for a desperate battle, but in the end were able to escape across the river on the 13th, the day before Meade's planned attack."

The days leading up to that point were not without tragedy as fighting consumed the fields of the Pennsylvania town. For its part, the weather was more cooperative at the battle's start. July 1, the first day fighting began, had a sky covered by cumulostratus clouds all day, according to Rev. Dr. Jacobs' detailed reports. The breeze was typically southerly at only 2 mph; the afternoon temperature was a comfortable 76 degrees. The second day started with similar cloud cover, but Rev. Dr. Jacobs wrote that the sky was three-tenths clear by the afternoon, when temperatures went up to 81. Likewise, the cloud cover started the third day and cleared considerably by the afternoon. The cloud cover that remained, however, was the "massive thunder-cloud of summer." A thunderstorm started around 6 p.m. EDT. "The thunder seemed tame, after the artillery firing of the afternoon," Rev. Dr. Jacobs wrote.

The temperatures were not as severe as they could have been. Current records from 1981 to 2010 put the average high for the area at 87 every day in July, but most of the Battle of Gettysburg was fought in the 70s. The cloud cover also offered a break from direct sunlight. Had these conditions been less favorable, there may have been even more casualties."

Re: Gettysburg July 1-3 [Re: coonlove] #6270572
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Re: Gettysburg July 1-3 [Re: coonlove] #6270573
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Highs in the 70’s is not “heat like this”
Today in PA it is 98-100

Re: Gettysburg July 1-3 [Re: coonlove] #6270581
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Re: Gettysburg July 1-3 [Re: coonlove] #6270582
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Re: Gettysburg July 1-3 [Re: coonlove] #6270659
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Sorry for not having the "exact" temperatures recorded. Was only pointing out an important historical event and the fact that it was "hot"
All the first hand accounts that I have read mention the heat and lack of water. You armchair generals carry on and forget that I brought this up.


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Re: Gettysburg July 1-3 [Re: coonlove] #6270663
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Originally Posted By: coonlove
Sorry for not having the "exact" temperatures recorded. Was only pointing out an important historical event and the fact that it was "hot"
All the first hand accounts that I have read mention the heat and lack of water. You armchair generals carry on and forget that I brought this up.


You were still spot on... Like you said... Wearing wool uniforms during summer, marching and fighting for your life while you watch 10s of thousands of your brothers fall in front you.

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Here we get a channel that for the three days of the battle, they run these shows on on the battlefield.

Extreme amount of info on these shows.

https://pcntv.com/gettysburg/

Re: Gettysburg July 1-3 [Re: coonlove] #6270675
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Not trying to debate the temperature .Wearing heavy uniforms certainly would have made for discomfort .However on the third day when both sides where lining up to prepare for what has become known as Pickett's charge ; even the most cool calm and collected had to be sweating real bad . And the fury that followed I doubt many had time to think about how hot it actually was .Or maybe that is just what I know I would have thinking about .No matter which side you where on you had to know it was going to be a bad day .

Re: Gettysburg July 1-3 [Re: coonlove] #6270682
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Originally Posted By: coonlove
Sorry for not having the "exact" temperatures recorded. Was only pointing out an important historical event and the fact that it was "hot"
All the first hand accounts that I have read mention the heat and lack of water. You armchair generals carry on and forget that I brought this up.


To me you are correct on bringing it up. Whether it was 100 degrees or 50 degrees is irrelevant as they were still out there 24 hours a day without the luxuries we take for granted.

Simple things on just having drinking water would of been a hardship.

We are to soft to even imagine what they endured truly.

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The wife and I visited the Gettysburg Museum and battlefield three weekends ago. It was spectacular. It takes a full day to see and fully appreciate, about 4 hrs in the Museum and another 4 hrs doing the 24 mile battlefield tour via auto. The town is pretty special too with much of it still 19th century buildings. Then there is the Blue and Gray Bar & Grill with terrific food and $1.50 draft beer during happy hour. Happy, happy!

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My great grandfathers name on the PA monument


My son, myself and my dad at my great great uncles units monument on little round top.

Us three at my great grandfathers units monument in the wheatfield.


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I did get to see reenactments in 1963 and 2013,I don't think I will see 2063


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Re: Gettysburg July 1-3 [Re: coonlove] #6270770
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I use to react the War of 1812 and wore it in heat like this. Funny thing when you took off your wool coat you froze and that's no joke , done it many a year. You wore a long sleeve shirt then a wool waist coat then a wool stand up collar coat and the collar was just below your ears with a leather stock around your neack. Some times I did militia and you wore the shirt , waist coat then a heavy hunting frock made out of linen.

Re: Gettysburg July 1-3 [Re: coonlove] #6270928
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Lincoln was upset that they allowed them to retreat and that they didn't finish them off. I didn't know about the rain though. Thats an interesting detail.

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