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Re: Prairie dog hunts [Re: danny clifton] #6270408
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Originally Posted By: danny clifton
USFWS thought they were extinct. then they found some more. they have no clue how endangered they are or if they even are. inept bunch of government stooges.


Really? You must not work with the USFWS very much, or be very informed about the research they do with ferrets. Im sure those inept biologists dont know very much about those ferrets, should probably leave it up to the ranchers.

Re: Prairie dog hunts [Re: danny clifton] #6270451
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Originally Posted By: danny clifton
I never seen one wiped out handi trapper. never known there not to be a plague warning either


The only plague I know of comes from my 22.250’s @ 3900 fps. lol

Re: Prairie dog hunts [Re: AJE] #6270461
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really rino? why then did all those experts in wildlife biology let what was at the time the entire population die? they impress me about as much as people who refuse to mow my lawn when I find them begging at an intersection. fwiw I know where a few are in wy. no way im telling USFWS. I don't want locked out


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Re: Prairie dog hunts [Re: AJE] #6270464
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hey rino, scrappie in deer and elk. USFWS working in co yes or no?


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Re: Prairie dog hunts [Re: AJE] #6270474
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I think you are just one of the people who will never be happy with a government agency, especially a wildlife agency. To save an entire population would require stopping all shooting of prairie dogs, how well would that go over with the public? They dont have an easy job, somebody will always be unhappy. You just said yourself, they let an entire species go extinct because they are stooges. BUT, now you know where a few live and you wont tell them because YOU are too concerned about loosing a dog town to shoot at. It aint an easy job when all you deal with is the public and their one sided views and opinions.

Re: Prairie dog hunts [Re: AJE] #6270477
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I don't shoot them I trap there. when I shoot prairie dogs its for bait. killing stuff just to kill it doesn't thrill me


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Re: Prairie dog hunts [Re: AJE] #6270479
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I know a lot of good Federal professionals. Stooges isn't something that comes to mind when I think of them.

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Re: Prairie dog hunts [Re: AJE] #6270488
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Where are those professionals when people want you to not trap wolves? real nice of them to tell WY they can't legally kill any outside of Yellowstone. Stooges is exactly the right word. why not find out why you can't buy seal oil or meat or fur? are seals endangered? what about elephant ivory legally harvested? What word would you use?


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Re: Prairie dog hunts [Re: AJE] #6270498
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Im sure you have noticed, but this country and the government agencies inside it are not run by common sense anymore. There are plenty of good wildlife professionals, I happent o know quite a few, but somewhere up the chain it all goes to heck. And unfortunately they have to listen to both sides. As I said earlier, they cant make everyone happy-including you. Its a job where you have to upset the least amount of people with a decision. (and I think you can kill wolves in WY now, otherwise the fellas that checked them in at the office killed them illegally.)

Re: Prairie dog hunts [Re: AJE] #6270865
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Shooting p-dogs doesn’t amount to a hill of beans nor have an impact on the ferrets food source.

More likely to have some stooge from back east blast a couple ferrets with his itchy p-dog finger. That’ll have way more impact.

And no, not a fan of the federal stooges either. But here it’s sage grouse.

Re: Prairie dog hunts [Re: Rhino7] #6270960
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[quote=Rhino7 To save an entire population would require stopping all shooting of prairie dogs [/quote]


Boone beat me to it.......

There are a few good wildlife biologists left out there with the feds. And then there are those with the USFWS....there might be a handful of decent ones there too - but overall many of their policies suck big time and they very rarely ever follow their own schedules of delisting actions. I strongly believe with GIS and computers......the overall quality of most biologists has declined. I am one and have observed most rarely get to the field these days.

Re: Prairie dog hunts [Re: danny clifton] #6270978
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Originally Posted By: danny clifton
hey rino, scrappie in deer and elk. USFWS working in co yes or no?

Your right danny on the CWD and CO thing. Most media turn their head on the origin of CWD. It did involve starving deer and sheep in the same enclosure. And even when cervids were sick and dying they continued to sell extras from there.

Re: Prairie dog hunts [Re: AJE] #6271011
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Some confusion here between the people that work for USFWS and the people in charge of them that get the rules from the people above them that know nothing about what the heck is even going on! LOL Who here has never got the stupidest directions from a supervisor in the past?


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Re: Prairie dog hunts [Re: AJE] #6578112
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Anyone go on some good prairie dog hunts this year?

Re: Prairie dog hunts [Re: AJE] #6578119
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I’m leaving in 3 weeks

Re: Prairie dog hunts [Re: AJE] #6578120
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Lower Brule Indian Reservation is choked with them they have a several mile long strip along the Missouri river road that is solid dogs.


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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Lower Brule Indian Reservation is choked with them they have a several mile long strip along the Missouri river road that is solid dogs.


Is that all deeded and alow shooting by permission?

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Check with the Wildlife office it's on Corp take ground, the local I talked to said a guy could go shoot them but I'd check with the CO there 1st! (605) 473-5666

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Re: Prairie dog hunts [Re: AJE] #6578185
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You generally have to pay to shoot dogs on the rez. Rosebud anyway. Ft Pierre Grassland you can shoot dogs for no fee.


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Re: Prairie dog hunts [Re: AJE] #6578252
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I shoot in the Standing Rock now. Have been for 30+ years. Although the majority is on private ranches. There is obviously parts of the some dog towns that spread onto tribal lands. I’ve never paid to shoot. Have become close friends with these ranchers and of course they tell their neighbors, which always gains more access.

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