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#6275815 - 07/09/18 07:42 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
danny clifton Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Loc: williamsburg ks
not exactly marty. atlas shrugged because capitalism was usurped by socialism. producers were being told how to produce and forced to support those who do not produce.

in this case we have marketing people who want to tell us how to produce the goods they want to market.

not enough money for me to care what they want. on top of that the states they want coyotes to be trapped in have both county state and federal coyote control being done with tax dollars. so if you head out to catch those heavy pales better do a little homework or you will be in a low density area. of which there are a lot
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#6275819 - 07/09/18 07:45 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
Mbcoyote Offline
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Registered: 01/18/18
Posts: 30
Loc: Manitoba
Im sure they know the coyotes aren't form the NWT . They gave a broad generalization where they get there coyotes. Northwest Canada and The United States is close enough how far into detail do you want em to go?
Theyre using fur man, and trying to keep it that way. Most companies drop fur asap under that kind of pressure. CG seems to be trying to find ways to keep presenting it to the public...good for them
But I don't condone them trying to change trapping methods and laws just so that they're happy about buying certain coyotes from certain areas. But They haven't said they want to do that either. It seems we'll have to wait and see how serious they are about ride alongs. But again, I do not support them having a say in how trappers do their thing,no matter what they pay for the fur. We have enough laws already.

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#6275826 - 07/09/18 07:54 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
Mbcoyote Offline
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Registered: 01/18/18
Posts: 30
Loc: Manitoba
I don't know how they expect to get enough heavy pale coyote. There simply aren't enough around. All my coyote are always western heavies, pretty coyote with gorgeous fur if I do say so myself:) but I wouldn't call the majority of them pale, most grade into browner categories. If they're not happy with the big lots having what they want they should talk to the graders and managers. We simply ship what we catch. But you'd think they know that they'll have to buy some that aren't exactly pale.

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#6275862 - 07/09/18 08:18 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: MJM]
ringtailtrapper Offline
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Registered: 04/28/09
Posts: 1148
Loc: Illinois
Originally Posted By: MJM
ringtailtrapper I have to ask what do you base your opinion on? You seem to feel this is the death of fur trapping. What makes you feel that way?



Fair question Mark. Trapping as an outdoor activity is in a downward spiral, as is many of our outdoor endeavors. I have seen so many people just give up on certain outdoor activities, because they became regulated to death. All their efforts to be legal became such an effort that it took all the enjoyment out of the activity, or the cost didn't warrant the reward. In some states you have to be a lawyer to go afield. Trapping is already the most regulate outdoor activity on the books, and my fear with certification is that it would only limit the number of trappers to fewer than we already have. How many people do you know that would be willing to jump into a mess like this right from the start ?? Not many, and most would just look at another activity. Mark, we already have trapper education in most of the states, and the regulations we have in most states in many cases have been brought about by trappers, and wildlife professional working together, not all the time, but a good many regulations trappers imposed upon themselves. Trappers knew they had to do these things, or we would have lost trapping a long time ago. This is why I fear certification Mark, because I think it will inhibit the development of future trappers.


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#6275864 - 07/09/18 08:20 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
Dirt Offline
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Registered: 12/01/10
Posts: 3730
Loc: Armpit, ak
If I was in business for 60 years I would think maybe I would have a clue about my product. Good idea not to hang around a bunch of b.s. artist and repeat the b.s. they tell you.
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#6275871 - 07/09/18 08:28 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
pcr2 Offline
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Registered: 05/17/10
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Loc: potter co. p.a.
i'm igggernant. laugh
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#6275885 - 07/09/18 08:48 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: Dirt]
ringtailtrapper Offline
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Registered: 04/28/09
Posts: 1148
Loc: Illinois
Originally Posted By: Dirt
If I was in business for 60 years I would think maybe I would have a clue about my product. Good idea not to hang around a bunch of b.s. artist and repeat the b.s. they tell you.


BS for sure Dirt, the traceability is already in place, that is if they are buying fur from legal licensed trappers. The question I have for CG is what do you want, traceability ? Accountability ? or certification ? maybe all three ?



Traceability- all fur shipped has a name, and address attached to a shipping tag. You can find them if needed


Certification- Most states have trapper education as a requirement to licensing, thus if I have a valid license, then I have already been educated to the types of traps I may use legally, and the regulations pertaining to harvesting fur. In other words you have been informed, and are in the know.


Accountability- The trapping license, and the ability to produce, and sell fur. Those that go down the road of illegal, or unethical activities find their license in jeopardy at some point.



Problem solved for CG, and your welcome.


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#6275903 - 07/09/18 09:05 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
coloradocat Offline
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Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 788
Loc: Western Colorado
They don't have to be pale. A little darker coyote makes for better trim. Density is king.
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#6275912 - 07/09/18 09:16 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
MJM Offline
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 5192
Loc: ND
RTT, Trapping is in a downward spiral due to fur prices. In the last 3-4 years the number of people trapping and snaring in ND has better than doubled. It may be 3-4 times as many even. Why? Because of coyote prices. The number of fur buyers has increased by 3-4 times too. Why because of coyote prices. Let coon get up to a $40+ average and rats $8 and you will have trappers. Not everyone can or will put in the time it takes to trap with no chance of a return.
Every time I ship fur or sell local I give out all the information CG wants. In ND a fur buyer has to keep records of who they bought what from. Their grade sheets ask for name, address and license number. If CG wants that information you think we should say "NO" when we give it out already? Some how it make no sense to give that to one buyer and not another. Often there is statement saying the fur you are selling is yours and it was taken according to the state regs.
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#6275940 - 07/09/18 09:43 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
huntinhal Offline
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Registered: 10/28/12
Posts: 252
Loc: Ne
OK guys,I have been contacted to be one of these guys they come to see.We are fighting an uphill battle here so we better unite and stick together one way or another.

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#6275962 - 07/09/18 10:07 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: huntinhal]
ringtailtrapper Offline
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Registered: 04/28/09
Posts: 1148
Loc: Illinois
Originally Posted By: huntinhal
OK guys,I have been contacted to be one of these guys they come to see.We are fighting an uphill battle here so we better unite and stick together one way or another.



So you want me to rub your belly when you roll over ?? No thank you. By unite do you mean agree with you, and discard my concerns ?? No thank you.

Good luck.


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#6275966 - 07/09/18 10:14 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
Steven 49er Offline
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Registered: 05/18/10
Posts: 5120
Loc: mn north of blakely
RTT, your concerns are my concerns. Does that mean we alienate one of the biggest supporters of wild fur or do we work together with them to see if there is a way to come to a mutually beneficial program.

I don't really have much in the form of a solution but what I do know is that MJM is right. We need a viable market for our passion to truly continue and flourish.

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#6275977 - 07/09/18 10:28 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: Steven 49er]
ringtailtrapper Offline
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Registered: 04/28/09
Posts: 1148
Loc: Illinois
Originally Posted By: Steven 49er
RTT, your concerns are my concerns. Does that mean we alienate one of the biggest supporters of wild fur or do we work together with them to see if there is a way to come to a mutually beneficial program.

I don't really have much in the form of a solution but what I do know is that MJM is right. We need a viable market for our passion to truly continue and flourish.



LOL, your right Steven we need to work together, but I still don't believe certification is what is needed. Speaking of alienating people, what will certification due to the smaller producers, the trapper that only traps on his vacation in the fall for a couple of weeks ?? how about the school boy trapper with only a few traps, just were do these trappers fall into the scope of trapping under certification ?? How many will just give up trapping rather than submit to the certification process to sell just a few hobby pelts. Should they not be rewarded for their efforts as any other trapper ?? Have we come to a point in our history that we now turn on one another, with hope of being the last one standing, just to sell our goods ?? I hope not.


RTT


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#6275982 - 07/09/18 10:38 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
coloradocat Offline
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Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 788
Loc: Western Colorado
Depends I suppose. If he was from IL there is a really good chance he wouldn't have to worry about what CG does.
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#6275989 - 07/09/18 10:47 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: coloradocat]
ringtailtrapper Offline
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Registered: 04/28/09
Posts: 1148
Loc: Illinois
Originally Posted By: coloradocat
Depends I suppose. If he was from IL there is a really good chance he wouldn't have to worry about what CG does.



LOL, if you think this is only about coyotes, then you need to go back and read a few of the post within this thread. This will carry on into other species from the sound of others pushing its agenda, so at some point it could effect everyone in every state. Like a lot of things trapping, what may effect your neighbor today could effect you tomorrow.


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#6275991 - 07/09/18 10:48 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
wallfur Offline
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Registered: 05/27/10
Posts: 578
Loc: idaho
once it starts it wont stop with coyotes they will need something else and all species they use..... its not that we don't want to comply we already are! through our state laws and regulations.

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#6276004 - 07/09/18 11:10 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
coloradocat Offline
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Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 788
Loc: Western Colorado
Boy you better get a group together and get busy. The next fur season is gonna be upon us before you know it.

Looks like exactly 6 months before the powers within start buying again. Do you believe in miracles?
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#6276007 - 07/09/18 11:14 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
coloradocat Offline
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Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 788
Loc: Western Colorado
Have you talked with CG or any of there representitives? Or are you just basing everything off hear-say?
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#6276072 - 07/10/18 04:32 AM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: coloradocat]
tbn Offline
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Registered: 12/29/06
Posts: 4881
Loc: nunya,ks
Originally Posted By: coloradocat
Boy you better get a group together and get busy. The next fur season is gonna be upon us before you know it.

Looks like exactly 6 months before the powers within start buying again. Do you believe in miracles?


Wonder what lines they will use this year.

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#6276176 - 07/10/18 08:02 AM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: ringtailtrapper]
MJM Offline
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 5192
Loc: ND
Originally Posted By: ringtailtrapper

LOL, your right Steven we need to work together, but I still don't believe certification is what is needed. Speaking of alienating people, what will certification due to the smaller producers, the trapper that only traps on his vacation in the fall for a couple of weeks ?? how about the school boy trapper with only a few traps, just were do these trappers fall into the scope of trapping under certification ?? How many will just give up trapping rather than submit to the certification process to sell just a few hobby pelts. Should they not be rewarded for their efforts as any other trapper ?? Have we come to a point in our history that we now turn on one another, with hope of being the last one standing, just to sell our goods ?? I hope not.
RTT

I can not see how signing a statement like this, is going to keep anyone from trapping or selling fur.
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