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#6272006 - 07/03/18 07:47 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: white17]
pass-thru Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 2712
Loc: Va
Originally Posted By: white17

You are right there. But once they are seen as having the ability to say AYE or NAY to a state...they will also have the ability to set prices. Once they become the sole or preferred buyer, then they can control prices.


If that were the case, they would already be setting prices. In fact, you could argue the opposite. If they eliminate potential suppliers, then the prices will go up for the remaining suppliers, especially if demand goes up.

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#6272009 - 07/03/18 07:52 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
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"General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington"

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You could very well be right . Hopefully so !
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#6272012 - 07/03/18 07:54 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
Boco Offline
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The veterinarian necropsys are all a part of the certification of the traps,to determine if the traps meet the time of death parameters


Edited by white17 (07/03/18 07:59 PM)

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#6272029 - 07/03/18 08:18 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
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"General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington"

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Unless the veterinarian, or the Canada Goose representative is standing by the trap 24 hours a day...........how is he to determine whether the trap meets the Euroweenie standards or not ?
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#6272039 - 07/03/18 08:24 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: pass-thru]
yotetrapper30 Offline
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Registered: 05/30/11
Posts: 7998
Loc: Oakland, MS
Originally Posted By: pass-thru
Originally Posted By: white17

You are right there. But once they are seen as having the ability to say AYE or NAY to a state...they will also have the ability to set prices. Once they become the sole or preferred buyer, then they can control prices.


If that were the case, they would already be setting prices. In fact, you could argue the opposite. If they eliminate potential suppliers, then the prices will go up for the remaining suppliers, especially if demand goes up.


That assumes quite a bit. First, that your state association agrees to allow the reps on their trapper's traplines. Then, that all five of those trappers pass Canada's Gooses standards of what humane is. If both of those things happen, members of those associations can get their tags, but that doesn't eliminate any suppliers. The trappers in that state that are not assn members, and the trappers in other states that did not agree, or failed the test, will still be sending their furs in. Canada Goose may not buy those furs, but I guarantee the people in China and Russia could care less, and will still be buying them as they always have.

If Canada Goose is going to get high bid on the humane furs, why wouldn't the other countries just let them have them, and buy the normal furs for a normal amount? Any states that do this, all it is doing, is allowing their trappers to sell furs to one company that other trappers MIGHT not be able to sell to. I say might, because if CG can't get enough humane coyotes from Canadian trappers, I bet they'd still be buying those uncertified US furs.

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#6272046 - 07/03/18 08:30 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
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Loc: james bay frontierOnt.
Russian fur is already traceable to country of origin and certified.So is European fur(mostly ranched)That is why it is carried in the fur salons in the large cities of Usa and Europe and Russia.
North American fur is absent in these salons because it is not yet traceable and certified.Nafa and other in the international fur trade groups want north American fur to be able to compete,thus the upcoming traceability and certification.

Really this should have been done long ago we are now sucking the hind teat to the Europeans and Russians in the marketplace.


Edited by Boco (07/03/18 08:31 PM)

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#6272048 - 07/03/18 08:30 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
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I'm SHOCKED Angela !! It's a Canadian company. OF COURSE they'd only do the right thing and pay more !! laugh
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#6272057 - 07/03/18 08:42 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
danny clifton Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Coyote market is far from great. A very small part of the world produces pale heavies. The rest of them are just banging along like they have been for the last couple decades. I'm not to worried about what Canada goose thinks about the way I trap. I can look myself in the eye, without hesitation, when I shave of a morning. I know I don't torture them and that's good enough for me. If they don't want my coyotes they don't have to buy them. If 100 coyotes get to where they will buy a new 4wd pickup again I may be a little more willing to prove I don't torture animals.
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#6272061 - 07/03/18 08:52 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
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Registered: 12/10/16
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Loc: NE
Here is another point to keep in mind. How long until the Canada Goose coyote trim fad wears off? If anyone thinks it will last for more than a couple of more years I will put a $100 bill down that says it doesnt. Fashion is a fickle thing, all it really takes is a few "special people" to declare that coyote trim is no longer "IN". With that said I am glad Canada Goose has been able to provide a bump to the coyote market, but lets be real it is only a bump.

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#6272066 - 07/03/18 09:07 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
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Neyotetrapper
My thoughts as well^^^^^^^^^
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#6272068 - 07/03/18 09:10 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: NEYotetrapper]
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"General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington"

Registered: 03/17/07
Posts: 25100
Loc: McGrath, AK
Originally Posted By: NEYotetrapper
Here is another point to keep in mind. How long until the Canada Goose coyote trim fad wears off? If anyone thinks it will last for more than a couple of more years I will put a $100 bill down that says it doesnt. Fashion is a fickle thing, all it really takes is a few "special people" to declare that coyote trim is no longer "IN". With that said I am glad Canada Goose has been able to provide a bump to the coyote market, but lets be real it is only a bump.


Excellent point !
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#6272072 - 07/03/18 09:18 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
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Registered: 10/13/12
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Loc: Louisiana
Well our mangy, wire-haired, red tinted coyotes wouldn't be worth much to Canada Goose if we caught them with a feather pillow, shampooed them, and did their nails before we finished them.

I think any State that agrees to this is playing with fire.
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#6272073 - 07/03/18 09:19 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: NEYotetrapper]
ShaneT Offline
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Registered: 10/13/12
Posts: 4619
Loc: Louisiana
Originally Posted By: NEYotetrapper
Here is another point to keep in mind. How long until the Canada Goose coyote trim fad wears off? If anyone thinks it will last for more than a couple of more years I will put a $100 bill down that says it doesnt. Fashion is a fickle thing, all it really takes is a few "special people" to declare that coyote trim is no longer "IN". With that said I am glad Canada Goose has been able to provide a bump to the coyote market, but lets be real it is only a bump.


Fair point.
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#6272077 - 07/03/18 09:27 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
hippie Offline
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Registered: 02/22/10
Posts: 5780
Loc: pa
They know our trapping laws, or could find them on-line very easy.

I'd like to where they're headed with this. To change some laws or just put a good face on the status quo.

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#6272079 - 07/03/18 09:35 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
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Posts: 8083
Loc: Oakland, MS
We forget so fast. Doesn't anyone remember the fiasco a the trapper got into taking along a filming crew? You can have the most humane foothold going with all the bells and whistles and still get poor results if they tangle on a backing froze down or any of a number of other things.

When we have non trappers dictate to us our methods as well as tools we are allowed to use it is a losing proposition. Waterheads do happen from time to time in properly set snares for example.
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#6272086 - 07/03/18 10:01 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: white17]
Steven 49er Offline
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Registered: 05/18/10
Posts: 5123
Loc: mn north of blakely
Originally Posted By: white17
Originally Posted By: NEYotetrapper
Here is another point to keep in mind. How long until the Canada Goose coyote trim fad wears off? If anyone thinks it will last for more than a couple of more years I will put a $100 bill down that says it doesnt. Fashion is a fickle thing, all it really takes is a few "special people" to declare that coyote trim is no longer "IN". With that said I am glad Canada Goose has been able to provide a bump to the coyote market, but lets be real it is only a bump.


Excellent point !


Coyotes have been fairly strong for almost a decade. It started before the CG fad and it's not only CG driving that market.

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#6272117 - 07/03/18 10:52 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
tjm Offline
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Registered: 11/11/11
Posts: 7926
Loc: SWMo.
Exactly how many total coyotes did CG buy this year? Looking at their website and all the garments with no fur and how little fur is on the garments with a coyote ruff, I'd guess not very many?

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#6272124 - 07/03/18 11:31 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: teepee2]
thebeaverguy Offline
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Registered: 02/08/15
Posts: 104
Loc: MA
Originally Posted By: teepee2
Just how long do you think you can keep snares as "non-comercial" Boco? You better get your head out of the sand because the antis are not satisfied. Their objective was to stop trapping period, they didn't give a rats behind about "humane". A seeing eye dog is inhumane to these nuts.


There's a heaping helping of truth here. I've seen it first hand too.

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#6272128 - 07/03/18 11:46 PM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30]
thebeaverguy Offline
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Registered: 02/08/15
Posts: 104
Loc: MA
How many here can remember the Eddie Bauer fiasco? That company said that they would only use coyotes that had been hunted and not trapped in an attempt to appease the ARF'S. It still wasn't enough for them, they wanted Bauer to not use ANY fur.

The animal rights industry is our mortal enemy. They advocate for the elimination of what we do. To attempt to "compromise" with somebody who is seeking to extinguish your very existence is nothing more than self-destruction on the installment plan.

Canada Goose is going to find this out the hard way, I'm afraid.

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#6272138 - 07/04/18 12:19 AM Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: Boco]
ringtailtrapper Offline
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Registered: 04/28/09
Posts: 1148
Loc: Illinois
Originally Posted By: Boco
The veterinarian necropsys are all a part of the certification of the traps,to determine if the traps meet the time of death parameters




LOL, if you got a brain cell in that head of yours please give it back to the person you have barrowed it from. I guess you are completely unaware of the BMP testing that has been done in the US ?? I would have thought someone who claims to be all knowing of things trapping would have been privy to such actions. You act like the trappers in the US have been doing nothing over the last several decades, and that we all live in caves, and just discovered fire. Maybe you should learn a little more about what trappers in the US have done in regards to animal welfare, before you toss us under the bus again like before.


Another reason the auction house are pushing this is because of ranch goods. China was knocking off labels left and right, and the ranchers wanted goods certified in order to help limit the knock off's of cheap Chinese goods. So thank the ranchers for this certification BS as well people. This is what happens when trappers let ranchers market their goods.


People this is not a good thing, and will only help drive a wedge between trappers. This will in no doubt if implemented effect the recruitment numbers of new trappers in the future. Just another hurdle upon the already most heavily restricted outdoor activity we have today. I would also like to point out that many of the regulations/restrictions we have in place today come about with the help of trappers, and wildlife professionals working together. Your state, national, and even local associations, have worked with many state DNR's, and Dept's. of wildlife, and to toss all that work out the window, just because some company offers a few bits of silver, no thank you



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