Re: Canada Goose Accountability
[Re: white17]
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07/03/18 08:47 PM
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You are right there. But once they are seen as having the ability to say AYE or NAY to a state...they will also have the ability to set prices. Once they become the sole or preferred buyer, then they can control prices.
If that were the case, they would already be setting prices. In fact, you could argue the opposite. If they eliminate potential suppliers, then the prices will go up for the remaining suppliers, especially if demand goes up.
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Re: Canada Goose Accountability
[Re: yotetrapper30]
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07/03/18 08:54 PM
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The veterinarian necropsys are all a part of the certification of the traps,to determine if the traps meet the time of death parameters
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Re: Canada Goose Accountability
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07/03/18 09:24 PM
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You are right there. But once they are seen as having the ability to say AYE or NAY to a state...they will also have the ability to set prices. Once they become the sole or preferred buyer, then they can control prices.
If that were the case, they would already be setting prices. In fact, you could argue the opposite. If they eliminate potential suppliers, then the prices will go up for the remaining suppliers, especially if demand goes up. That assumes quite a bit. First, that your state association agrees to allow the reps on their trapper's traplines. Then, that all five of those trappers pass Canada's Gooses standards of what humane is. If both of those things happen, members of those associations can get their tags, but that doesn't eliminate any suppliers. The trappers in that state that are not assn members, and the trappers in other states that did not agree, or failed the test, will still be sending their furs in. Canada Goose may not buy those furs, but I guarantee the people in China and Russia could care less, and will still be buying them as they always have. If Canada Goose is going to get high bid on the humane furs, why wouldn't the other countries just let them have them, and buy the normal furs for a normal amount? Any states that do this, all it is doing, is allowing their trappers to sell furs to one company that other trappers MIGHT not be able to sell to. I say might, because if CG can't get enough humane coyotes from Canadian trappers, I bet they'd still be buying those uncertified US furs.
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Re: Canada Goose Accountability
[Re: yotetrapper30]
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07/03/18 09:30 PM
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Russian fur is already traceable to country of origin and certified.So is European fur(mostly ranched)That is why it is carried in the fur salons in the large cities of Usa and Europe and Russia. North American fur is absent in these salons because it is not yet traceable and certified.Nafa and other in the international fur trade groups want north American fur to be able to compete,thus the upcoming traceability and certification.
Really this should have been done long ago we are now sucking the hind teat to the Europeans and Russians in the marketplace.
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Re: Canada Goose Accountability
[Re: yotetrapper30]
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07/03/18 09:42 PM
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Coyote market is far from great. A very small part of the world produces pale heavies. The rest of them are just banging along like they have been for the last couple decades. I'm not to worried about what Canada goose thinks about the way I trap. I can look myself in the eye, without hesitation, when I shave of a morning. I know I don't torture them and that's good enough for me. If they don't want my coyotes they don't have to buy them. If 100 coyotes get to where they will buy a new 4wd pickup again I may be a little more willing to prove I don't torture animals.
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Re: Canada Goose Accountability
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07/03/18 10:07 PM
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Neyotetrapper My thoughts as well^^^^^^^^^
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Re: Canada Goose Accountability
[Re: yotetrapper30]
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07/03/18 10:18 PM
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Well our mangy, wire-haired, red tinted coyotes wouldn't be worth much to Canada Goose if we caught them with a feather pillow, shampooed them, and did their nails before we finished them.
I think any State that agrees to this is playing with fire.
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Re: Canada Goose Accountability
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07/03/18 10:19 PM
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Here is another point to keep in mind. How long until the Canada Goose coyote trim fad wears off? If anyone thinks it will last for more than a couple of more years I will put a $100 bill down that says it doesnt. Fashion is a fickle thing, all it really takes is a few "special people" to declare that coyote trim is no longer "IN". With that said I am glad Canada Goose has been able to provide a bump to the coyote market, but lets be real it is only a bump. Fair point.
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Re: Canada Goose Accountability
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07/03/18 10:35 PM
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We forget so fast. Doesn't anyone remember the fiasco a the trapper got into taking along a filming crew? You can have the most humane foothold going with all the bells and whistles and still get poor results if they tangle on a backing froze down or any of a number of other things.
When we have non trappers dictate to us our methods as well as tools we are allowed to use it is a losing proposition. Waterheads do happen from time to time in properly set snares for example.
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Re: Canada Goose Accountability
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07/03/18 11:01 PM
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Here is another point to keep in mind. How long until the Canada Goose coyote trim fad wears off? If anyone thinks it will last for more than a couple of more years I will put a $100 bill down that says it doesnt. Fashion is a fickle thing, all it really takes is a few "special people" to declare that coyote trim is no longer "IN". With that said I am glad Canada Goose has been able to provide a bump to the coyote market, but lets be real it is only a bump. Excellent point ! Coyotes have been fairly strong for almost a decade. It started before the CG fad and it's not only CG driving that market.
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Re: Canada Goose Accountability
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07/04/18 12:31 AM
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Just how long do you think you can keep snares as "non-comercial" Boco? You better get your head out of the sand because the antis are not satisfied. Their objective was to stop trapping period, they didn't give a rats behind about "humane". A seeing eye dog is inhumane to these nuts. There's a heaping helping of truth here. I've seen it first hand too. Happy and Healthy Independence Day to all us Americans.
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Re: Canada Goose Accountability
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07/04/18 01:19 AM
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The veterinarian necropsys are all a part of the certification of the traps,to determine if the traps meet the time of death parameters LOL, if you got a brain cell in that head of yours please give it back to the person you have barrowed it from. I guess you are completely unaware of the BMP testing that has been done in the US ?? I would have thought someone who claims to be all knowing of things trapping would have been privy to such actions. You act like the trappers in the US have been doing nothing over the last several decades, and that we all live in caves, and just discovered fire. Maybe you should learn a little more about what trappers in the US have done in regards to animal welfare, before you toss us under the bus again like before. Another reason the auction house are pushing this is because of ranch goods. China was knocking off labels left and right, and the ranchers wanted goods certified in order to help limit the knock off's of cheap Chinese goods. So thank the ranchers for this certification BS as well people. This is what happens when trappers let ranchers market their goods. People this is not a good thing, and will only help drive a wedge between trappers. This will in no doubt if implemented effect the recruitment numbers of new trappers in the future. Just another hurdle upon the already most heavily restricted outdoor activity we have today. I would also like to point out that many of the regulations/restrictions we have in place today come about with the help of trappers, and wildlife professionals working together. Your state, national, and even local associations, have worked with many state DNR's, and Dept's. of wildlife, and to toss all that work out the window, just because some company offers a few bits of silver, no thank you Boco, need directions to your dumpster ??? RTT
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