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first ammendment under attack #6272971
07/05/18 05:43 AM
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/us/politics/first-amendment-conservatives-supreme-court.html


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In response, Justice Kagan said the court’s conservatives had found a dangerous tool, “turning the First Amendment into a sword.”



Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: first ammendment under attack [Re: danny clifton] #6272981
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RACIST!!!!

She forgot to work racist into it, I'm sure not being able to force you to pay is racist.

Re: first ammendment under attack [Re: danny clifton] #6272982
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I think that quite the opposite is true , the Liberals just want to cry when their tool is used not to justify their agenda but prove why their agenda is flawed , they want to be the only ones who can play the free speech card , but everyone gets a deck full of them.


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: first ammendment under attack [Re: danny clifton] #6272985
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I'm sure liberals would love to get rid of that pesky 1st amendment. That could be part of the reason they're working so hard to get rid of the 2nd.


Eh...wot?

Re: first ammendment under attack [Re: danny clifton] #6273001
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Kagan is wrong, the conservatives used the pen that is mightier than the sword.

Re: first ammendment under attack [Re: danny clifton] #6273009
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anything a liberal says is "free speech". Anything a conservative says is "weaponized free speech". It's the all to typical hypocrisy that we see day in and day out that has become the definition of liberalism. They have absolutely nothing left to their agenda. Stock market booming, race relations on the mend big time, NK at the table, economy soaring, unemployment at record lows, trade deals renegotiated to be fair, appointing another conservative justice that will protect and secure the 2nd for at least another generation, people leaving the liberal democrat party in droves and I've barely scratched the surface of the accomplishments of this administration in less than 2 years. It's incredible and amazing. What is left of the gun hating, race baiting, speech stifling, anti American hate party will be destroyed in November. Hopefully 2020 will be nothing more than a mop up operation. The 2nd and the American way of life is well on it's way to being secured so that the next generation can enjoy the freedoms that we have. Hopefully, they never back down and get back to the edge of the cliff we were just on.


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Re: first ammendment under attack [Re: danny clifton] #6273024
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Liberal is the oxymoron of the century. Liberal meaning, being free is the last thing the anti American communist party wants.
It should be renamed to describe better as to whats in the box. Instead of democrat party ..... The anti American communist party.


Let's go Brandon

"Shall not comply" with morons who don't understand "shall not infringe."
Re: first ammendment under attack [Re: danny clifton] #6273097
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perhaps we should re-use the word Tory or Torie it actually seems rather fitting a word to use.

A Tory is Anti American , believes in siding with a foreign government to maintain their status ,they bathe in Hypocrisy while they wish to be subjects themselves they wish to control others as their subjects.


this country started decided into Torie towns and patriot towns.

Last edited by GREENCOUNTYPETE; 07/05/18 10:29 AM.

America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: first ammendment under attack [Re: danny clifton] #6273186
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Most controversial supreme court decisions will be 6-3 soon, if Ruth Ginsburg dies in the next couple years it could be 7-2, always good to stay aware of what is going on but I wouldnt worry about this much, would be more worried about the conservative justices who cannot seem to read the 4th amendment and give into nearly every invasion by law enforcement/government.

Re: first ammendment under attack [Re: danny clifton] #6273196
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Amen Donnersurvivor. There is threat to liberty from the right and the left. The answer is to cling to the Constitution and err on the side of individual liberty over state power in all difficult questions brought before the court.

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I'll take my chances at 6-3 the way it's headed now. Glad Hillary didn't get in and it's the other way.

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Originally Posted By: hippie
I'll take my chances at 6-3 the way it's headed now. Glad Hillary didn't get in and it's the other way.

Fourth Amendment Schmorth Amendment.

Re: first ammendment under attack [Re: danny clifton] #6273238
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Is Schmorth a word?

Re: first ammendment under attack [Re: danny clifton] #6273242
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It schmurely is.

Re: first ammendment under attack [Re: Rat Masterson] #6273247
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Originally Posted By: Rat Masterson
Is Schmorth a word?


It's a perfectly cromulent word now. smile

Keith

Re: first ammendment under attack [Re: FlyinFinn] #6273251
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Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
Amen Donnersurvivor. There is threat to liberty from the right and the left. The answer is to cling to the Constitution and err on the side of individual liberty over state power in all difficult questions brought before the court.


Agreed. I struggle in my own opinions as a law and order conservative. But absolutely right the fourth is being seriously eroded.


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Re: first ammendment under attack [Re: FlyinFinn] #6273266
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Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
Amen Donnersurvivor. There is threat to liberty from the right and the left. The answer is to cling to the Constitution and err on the side of individual liberty over state power in all difficult questions brought before the court.

Big giant X2!!


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