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#6274422 - 07/07/18 12:10 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: redfoxtrap2008]
Txcoonman Offline
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Registered: 11/26/13
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Originally Posted By: redfoxtrap2008
anyone know what time the cats go


Still have over 50 pages of mink to go through, won’t be till around 5-6 this afternoon
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#6274478 - 07/07/18 03:02 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
TrapperCarl78 Offline
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Registered: 12/25/17
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Loc: North, MS
I liked NAFAs new article posted about their 100% clearance on male breeder ranch mink in this sale. Heck I could get a pile of road killed pancake possum cleared for the right price grin


Edited by TrapperCarl78 (07/07/18 03:07 PM)
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#6274483 - 07/07/18 03:12 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
kytrapper Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 1324
Loc: SE Kentucky
Does anyone know who sets and schedules the route dates ? Is it NAFA or the agent?

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#6274484 - 07/07/18 03:18 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
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Loc: NC, Orange Co.
Bobcats are starting.......
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#6274566 - 07/07/18 07:22 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: kytrapper]
4488 Offline
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Registered: 01/09/08
Posts: 769
Loc: Indiana
The collector

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#6274663 - 07/08/18 01:33 AM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
don Wolf Offline


Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 7555
Loc: evansville Indiana age72
I put just 5 coyotes in a account by their self, just to see how the grade and price came out. For what ever reason NAFA decided to sell those 5 Coyotes for less than half the value they put on the Coyotes,I will never understand. These Coyotes were valued at $37.00 each and sold for $15.00 each. Talk about not giving a diddly XXXX about your fur producers. They had at least 8 months o sell those Yotes before another auction. I have never seen NAFA get so reckless with my fur. I can stand a 3 or 4 dollar drop in price, but to dump something valued at that kind of money, is pure disregard for there producers. I had 3 other accounts that had a pretty darn good amount of Coyotes in each account. Only one of the accounts came up to and over value. all my accounts had Coyotes that was all seasonable and the values were such that I could have made money on the accounts. Why in the holy heck did NAFA see fit to dump these Coyotes at dirt cheap prices when they knew these Coyotes would eventually sell at Value or darn close to it.
I just can't wrap my head around the reasoning of our Auction Company.

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#6274720 - 07/08/18 06:56 AM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
redfoxtrap2008 Offline
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Registered: 08/13/08
Posts: 297
Loc: kentucky
yep me too, Don no clue I still can't believe it.I posted earlier it looked like a 40 percent off sale .They didn't have to do that it's almost like they are willing to loose money to run us off..

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#6274754 - 07/08/18 07:41 AM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
redfoxtrap2008 Offline
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Registered: 08/13/08
Posts: 297
Loc: kentucky
Don,any idea what's up with the graded and lotted otters that didn't even get offered I've never saw that before .


Edited by redfoxtrap2008 (07/08/18 07:41 AM)

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#6274776 - 07/08/18 08:11 AM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
Rat Masterson Offline
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Registered: 08/14/12
Posts: 1443
Loc: SE Minn
What time are the coon going to get bought back?

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#6274802 - 07/08/18 08:47 AM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: redfoxtrap2008]
wy.wolfer Offline
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Registered: 01/24/14
Posts: 1488
Loc: Co.-Wy. part time AK.
Originally Posted By: redfoxtrap2008
Don,any idea what's up with the graded and lotted otters that didn't even get offered I've never saw that before .
Other than the 2X and 3X sizes there currently is no known fur market for otter. Only 230 of all otter offered on this auction sold in the room, this may be one item that NAFA may be doing the shipper a better service selling at PT where they hopefully negotiate a better price. Other than the trinket trade there just is no market for this very attractive fur. Mostly because when you can buy a size 3-0 gold label ranch mink for $32 , why buy an otter that is not much bigger, costs three times the amount to dress, has heavier leather with a ton of cities paperwork, and a big cities charge for the buyer? Notice there are zero Grey fox being offered on this sale as well, no market!


Edited by wy.wolfer (07/08/18 03:54 PM)

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#6274809 - 07/08/18 09:06 AM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
redfoxtrap2008 Offline
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Registered: 08/13/08
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Loc: kentucky
that's not what I'm asking I have otter lotted with numbers not on the sale 60 + of them


Edited by redfoxtrap2008 (07/08/18 09:07 AM)

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#6274838 - 07/08/18 10:24 AM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
walleye101 Offline
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Registered: 12/13/08
Posts: 525
Loc: MN
Don,
Maybe trying to appease those that like high clearances and "want their money right away". I'm with you though, stick to the valuation or at least resonably close to it.
It does bring up a number of questions though.
How much discretion does the auctioneer have around the valuation?
Are valuations adjusted when it is obvious that lots are not selling at predetermined valuations.
Valuation can only be determined by what similar lots have sold for recently. With your coyote example, recent value should be obvious since there is an active market. But otter? How do you value them when no one is buying, even at discounted prices?

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#6274847 - 07/08/18 10:42 AM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: redfoxtrap2008]
wallfur Offline
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Registered: 05/27/10
Posts: 579
Loc: idaho
Originally Posted By: redfoxtrap2008
that's not what I'm asking I have otter lotted with numbers not on the sale 60 + of them
...are they lot numbers from last sale that didn't sell? but still lotted and not offer again on this one? might be given away PT to.

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#6274870 - 07/08/18 11:17 AM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
jonesy Offline
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Registered: 12/15/08
Posts: 1153
Loc: lincoln co mo
rat mast 1230 is buy back time


Edited by jonesy (07/08/18 11:20 AM)

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#6274921 - 07/08/18 12:36 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
redfoxtrap2008 Offline
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Registered: 08/13/08
Posts: 297
Loc: kentucky
no these otter were fresh goods for July and were lotted with a presale value the lotting numbers are in the 600s they haven't been offered and no pt sales yet some are sel 3x I'm not fussing just would like to know what is going on with them I am not the only one

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#6274922 - 07/08/18 12:37 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
redfoxtrap2008 Offline
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Registered: 08/13/08
Posts: 297
Loc: kentucky
Maybe Terry could answer

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#6274930 - 07/08/18 12:47 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
tbn Offline
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Registered: 12/29/06
Posts: 4881
Loc: nunya,ks
It seems to happen every year to reduce inventory to make room for the new season and fresh goods.Whatever hasn't sold at the Feb and March sales,seems they push to sell at whatever dollars they can get at the summer and fall sales.It doesn't matter,you can ask about any rep from Nafa and get a "Story" why but never makes any sense.

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#6274933 - 07/08/18 12:51 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
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Registered: 01/06/07
Posts: 11875
Loc: north Idaho
Redfoxtrap2008 - I would suggest you call the NAFA office in Stoughton and ask what is going on. I'm sure there is a reasonable explanation, but I can't think of one.


If Beav weren't in Alaska, he might be able to get a straight answer for you. He solved the mystery of the dressed muskrats at th May sale.
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#6274967 - 07/08/18 01:53 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
Riverotter2 Offline
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Registered: 01/28/07
Posts: 2280
Loc: Tuscaloosa, Alabama
Still had almost 50 otter left for this sale and they sold 21 of them. All were XXL-LG with one being a 3 XL-XXL. Right at a 36 avg. These were on the sale.

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#6274975 - 07/08/18 02:02 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
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Registered: 01/06/07
Posts: 11875
Loc: north Idaho
Were those freshly shipped otter or Buy Backs from the May sale?

Average isn't too bad for today's market. IMO
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