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#6274978 - 07/08/18 02:10 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
Riverotter2 Offline
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Registered: 01/28/07
Posts: 2280
Loc: Tuscaloosa, Alabama
Originally Posted By: wissmiss
Were those freshly shipped otter or Buy Backs from the May sale?

Average isn't too bad for today's market. IMO


From May sale Nancy, Had almost 130 on that sale and this
is all I got left. They didn't sale any of my cats on this one.

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#6274980 - 07/08/18 02:14 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
Redsleeves Offline
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Registered: 01/15/13
Posts: 322
Loc: ky
My otter are the same freash otter in the lowhundereds 1 in the 600 there headed but never even went up forsale?
Colt

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#6274992 - 07/08/18 02:54 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
Wright Brothers Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 1773
Loc: Pa
After a short break it's on to the big money, raccoons.
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#6275001 - 07/08/18 03:12 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
DaveJohnson Offline
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Registered: 04/01/15
Posts: 120
Loc: Iowa
had a few select 2x coons left over from prior sale, western nc, all bought back. will check back this evening for PT sales! smile

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#6275014 - 07/08/18 03:48 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
QuietButDeadly Offline
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Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 2180
Loc: NC, Orange Co.
And they are near 100% Bought Back which is no big surprise.
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#6275028 - 07/08/18 04:12 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
jonesy Offline
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Registered: 12/15/08
Posts: 1153
Loc: lincoln co mo
sold a bvr for a buck and 2 coons for 5 dollars laugh

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#6275029 - 07/08/18 04:13 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
trapperne Offline
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Registered: 05/01/08
Posts: 850
Loc: SE Nebraska
So we will start the season with 3-350,000 coon between the auctions, plus I would bet production will be up a little next year. Probably 500,000 plus by the first sales. Iím starting to think coons may never get better. Depressing.
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#6275037 - 07/08/18 04:23 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: trapperne]
4488 Offline
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Registered: 01/09/08
Posts: 769
Loc: Indiana
Trapperne, Your estimate isn't even close. Don't forget that unknown quantity of raccoon that were sold to "speculators" a few years ago that are still in storage. I'm thinking that number could be close to one million.
Ladies and gentlemen, the fur business for all intents and purposes is drawing its last breath. I went thru 1987/88 and this is much worse.

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#6275046 - 07/08/18 04:30 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
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Registered: 01/06/07
Posts: 11875
Loc: north Idaho
I agree with 4488 about the quantity of coon being held over. You have to take into consideration that Groenwald and Weibke and Zander and the other mayor buyers are probably sitting on Raccoon as well as NAFA .

I think no matter what the market, guys will always be out there trappping coon. Just something they do every fall/winter. Sort of like deer hunting or turkey hunting or fishing - you are out there with van if you aren't successful.
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#6275049 - 07/08/18 04:34 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: 4488]
trapperne Offline
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Registered: 05/01/08
Posts: 850
Loc: SE Nebraska
Originally Posted By: 4488
Trapperne, Your estimate isn't even close. Don't forget that unknown quantity of raccoon that were sold to "speculators" a few years ago that are still in storage. I'm thinking that number could be close to one million.
Ladies and gentlemen, the fur business for all intents and purposes is drawing its last breath. I went thru 1987/88 and this is much worse.


Iím fully aware there are lots of coon hanging around, I was just talking relatively fresh goods at the auctions. I guess in the bright side the auctions did sell 3-400,000 this year. Prices werenít anything to get excited about though
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#6275063 - 07/08/18 05:15 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
wy.wolfer Offline
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Registered: 01/24/14
Posts: 1488
Loc: Co.-Wy. part time AK.
Those stale coon will become more and more difficult to sell for speculators. With a sufficient supply of fresh goods arriving for sale each year who is going to want to purchase the stale goods for enough money to get the speculators/buyers to part with them? How will this affect the buying mood? This is beginning to sound like a bottom (hopefully). JP Morgan said to buy a commodity when no one else wants it and there is blood running in the streets. Maybe the fur market will endure like it has forever?? Lots of questions here!

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#6275072 - 07/08/18 05:31 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
4488 Offline
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Registered: 01/09/08
Posts: 769
Loc: Indiana
Fur is NOT a commodity.

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#6275080 - 07/08/18 05:52 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
080808 Offline
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Registered: 12/28/15
Posts: 830
Loc: NNY
4488. Sorry but your wrong! Any time speculators get involved the product becomes a commodity for trading purposes.
Therefore a commodity.

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#6275085 - 07/08/18 05:58 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
wy.wolfer Offline
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Registered: 01/24/14
Posts: 1488
Loc: Co.-Wy. part time AK.
Let's not argue semantics, fur is something that a furrier invests in for their own use, or an entity lower on the food chain speculator/buyer invests in because they think they can make a profit. The question I posed was, will someone be willing to continue buying? I think/hope so. This business has a track record, up and down as it may be.


Edited by wy.wolfer (07/08/18 06:00 PM)

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#6275107 - 07/08/18 06:42 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
QuietButDeadly Offline
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Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 2180
Loc: NC, Orange Co.
Have no idea the percentage, but quite a few of the raccoon offered today were dealer lots. I do not think they are identified as such in the catalog but the big board shows names on some lots and sundry owners on others and others just show Raccoon. I figured at least some of the name lots were from a speculator that bought them at the fire sale a couple years ago.

If there is any demand in coming months, the buyers know where there is a warehouse full of about any size and grade they could possibly need. No need to tie up money for inventory until they need it.
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#6275120 - 07/08/18 06:58 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: QuietButDeadly]
teepee2 Online   content
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Registered: 07/28/17
Posts: 336
Loc: IA
Well don't send them buyers to Groenwald, he says on his web site sold out of some sizes.

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#6275121 - 07/08/18 07:00 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
MB Coonguy Offline
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Registered: 01/08/10
Posts: 652
Loc: Manitoba Canada
Oil is rising-meaning Russia will continue to get more involved-wish us luck that the coon start to become more in demand.My area produces big heavy coon and we still do alright if we catch them when they are heavy and prime.Gone are the days of catching blue leather coon-they are either prime or I don't trap them.Any sows or yearlings get released( dog proofs)-catch them again in late winter/early spring when they really heavy quality.Works for me.


Edited by MB Coonguy (07/08/18 07:00 PM)

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#6275123 - 07/08/18 07:03 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: wissmiss]
QuietButDeadly Offline
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Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 2180
Loc: NC, Orange Co.
There is some movement on raccoon in the PT room already.
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#6275205 - 07/08/18 08:54 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: 4488]
Marty B Offline
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Registered: 09/23/10
Posts: 965
Loc: NE
Originally Posted By: 4488
Fur is NOT a commodity.



What is a 'Commodity'
A commodity is a basic good used in commerce that is interchangeable with other commodities of the same type. Commodities are most often used as inputs in the production of other goods or services. The quality of a given commodity may differ slightly, but it is essentially uniform across producers. When they are traded on an exchange, commodities must also meet specified minimum standards, also known as a basis grade.
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#6275225 - 07/08/18 09:22 PM Re: NAFA wild fur auction [Re: Marty B]
otterman53 Offline
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Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 186
Loc: Sabine County,Texas
Had 48 coons in auction , 24 sold for 2.90 average. Only SDA-SDB and smaller sizes sold. All larger sizes and Sel's bought back

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