Boco,, did you see my question earlier about who is allowed to "public land" in your part of Ontario (the provincial and national forests)??

I'm not sure I understand your question,Nonpcf,there are around 3000 registered traplines in Ontario,lots are vacant,and there is no limit to the amount of traplines you can work except for your ability to produce the mininmum mandatory beaver quota.And with a 7 1/2 month long season it is not difficult at all to harvest your beaver under any conditions you find most expedient.Some traplines have beaver quotas of 50 or so and some have quotas of several hundred.Some trappers don't like mandatory minimum beaver quotas,but I am a proponent of them as it keeps traplines in the hands of trappers and out of the hands of rich hunters who have no intrest in trapping.
Traplines are not given out by the government.You can apply for a vacant line and there is a process to go thru if there is more than one applicant.Vacant traplines are mostly undeveloped and will take several years of hard work to cut trail establish and build line cabins and survey/exploration of the line before you can maximize the harvest.These vacant lines are also not the fur producers that longtime established managed lines are,until they see several years of judicial harvesting.

By far the best way to get on a developed line is to make a deal with an established trapper to purchase his improvements and assets on a trapline and he can sign it over to you on the spot.You can also trap a line as an 02/helper besides your own.I have trapped as many as 5 traplines in my younger days,last year I trapped 2 and next year will trap 3.

You can also trap on private land here with written permission of a landowner,these are called resident traplines and are not registered.


There are some traplines within Native land claims that may or may not be transferrable to a non native,depending if a native trapper makes a claim and can provide documentation of past family use as a commercial trapline.

A large part of Ontario in the south is private land(no registered traplines).There are lots of trappers there that basically trap under the same rules as in the US(they don't have the freedoms from regulations we have in the north}.

There are quite a few trappers who trap and live in the south that also manage registered traplines in the north central part of Ontario as well.

How much of your area is privately owned so you wouldn't have to be "registered", produce a beaver quota, or have to pay someone for an established line that would actually could be usable without 2-3 years of sweat equity...?

You're not sure you understand my question because you've never had the ability to use public land without multiple strings attached. In South Dakota, there are certain types of public land that is closed to trapping (national parks) or have needed extra permission or possibly some cash spent (state parks, federal wildlife refugees), and maybe few more hoops to jump on USDA land (national forests, national grasslands), but for me around here, NO ONE tells me if I can go trap a federal waterfowl production area or state owned game production area other than being licensed, being in season, and following our less than 3 pages of trapping regs. I'm basically a "free" trapper. Things may be different in other states but many (most?) have as much freedom as I do.

And that's the big difference between you and us. You're much more controlled by your various governments (can't trap the public forests without being registered, trapping beavers if you only wanted to go after land critters, obeying treaties with the EU on the kind of equipment you have to use). And we want to keep the amount of control on us to a minimum. As mainier stated, our rights and privileges come from the Constitution and the consent of the people (or at least its supposed to work that way) and not bestowed by some government/head of state who is "above" us. Understand now...?

I think you got it backwards.On a registered trapline we are the frontline conservationists and manage the line.Trappers requested registered traplines back in 1945 in Ontario in order to be in charge of their fur resource.
If you ask any trapper who manages a registered line,they wouldn't have it any other way.I have the freedom
to leave part of my line for a few years to buildup,without having to worry about someone coming onto my ground and taking fur,especially beneficial for beaver harvest.
I have the freedom to harvest when fur is prime without having to get in on the opener before the next guy.
Way more freedom to trapping on a registered line.Also allowed to build camps and line cabins.
I will let someone from Southern Ontario explain the resident trapping system as I am not too familiar with that.I imagine it is similar to yours with trappers trapping on top of each other.

Probably the reason Pennsylvania has more trappers than all of Canada.

I wonder how many are actually professional trappers?
More likely hobby trappers.
I'd say there are way more trappers in Southern Ontario than in the vast north.Our lines can get pretty big up here,some 12-1800 sq km.
Likely 3 or 4 traplines be bigger than pensylvania,lol

You'd be suprised.

Non pcfed,i thought you were interested in how we operate but I see you just want a p---ing match.

.....just as well pack in then. with the road you are on more rules coming! with all AIHTS crap that will be coming down the pipeline you will soon be following there rules not yours lol.

For those interested in Canada's certified (AIHTS compliant) trap list, you can get the full list here (updated July 1, 2018): https://fur.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/1...D-X-14.docx.pdf

I've included the Phase 2 listings below, which provides a good window into where certification is heading. For example, look closely at the certified list of "restraining" (foothold) traps for coyotes. The list of approved traps thus far is mostly Victor Soft Catch, foot snares, and rubber-jaw type traps.

thanks and you can bet the next phase will be even more restrictive. and all this for an trim trade item.(fashion)that will fade away soon.

We add more traps all the time as they are tested and passed,not the other way around.
Softcatch or laminated for coyote,-our choice.And more added all the time.
All the tools I use now under aihts are exactly the same I have been using 20 years before the aihts.We were way out in front in Ontario for humane trapping.Long before the Europeans and Russians adopted it,lol.
Some of our founding trappers were in fact instrumental in the development of humane trapping.

I hear in Maine you cant even use snares?That must suck big time.

I can't hang a snare here...it sucks.
Apparently there is a new reg for cable restraints but I haven't looked into it.

Yea you can use cable restraints in the south.
Federation got that approved a few years ago.
The farmers were pushing for it,not so much the trappers as you have good conditions for footholds unlike the far north where footholds are basically useless,compared to snares.

boco just curious how many coyotes you trap with those traps......not snares just the soft catch traps?. you don't have to answer, but in your neck of the woods I bet less than 10 and that's probably a high number! I bet most are shot and snared.....with that being said I will bet you really don't care what type traps ,that we will be forced to use, because traps are not very effective in your area. so who cares as long as I can get more $$$ for my certified snared pelts, right?

...that's fine but its a one way street after you adopt that traps there is no going back! if you like em use them but don't force those on everyone else.

Ya whatever,I'll be trapping next year with the same tools I trapped with 30 years ago with no restrictions.
FYI,the aihts has been in force here since 1997-21 years.
Regardless,the aihts has nothing to do with your country,and you don't have to have your fur certified-its voluntary.The auctions will still sell non certified fur after C+T is in place.

..you just told me you adopt new traps and methods each year or all the time...soft catch wasn't around 30 years ago. sooooooooooooooo which is it? and I don't often sell to the auctions other then the junk fur my outlets don't want. I have way better options then them. just hate to see NAFA propaganda spread! the auctions make it hard to compete with for the fur buyers. Fur buyers have to use there own money and pay you when fur is delivered and auction houses use your money (for commission)and don't pay until they sell it at there discretion (prices that you cant control), even if it takes years.

I never told you I adopt new traps every year,I explained that new traps are added to the aihts approved list as they are tested and passed.There are more traps added all the time.
I use all the same traps I used 30 years ago including footholds for water fur. I don't use footholds for land fur,never have,since I was a kid,before I learned better methods for where I trap.You are correct,they're no good where I trap.There are no coyotes where I trap,but lots of trappers in other parts of Canada use footholds where they work fine.
And the list posted includes many traps besides softcatch.lots of those traps on the list are used by trappers in the US because they are good traps,and there will be a lot more on that list that trappers are using right now.

And I will say again,the only ones forcing you to use what you use now is your own regulators not the auction houses or anyone else,lol.
I just seen your other post.You send Junk fur to NAFA.Post your avg,lol.