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Re: Status of the International Fur Market
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07/12/18 01:07 PM
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We are suffering from a lack of markets, without a truly vibrant Russian market and the ban on using raccoon in the US market we are dead in the water. When Russia is active you have all the other players buying to fill that demand, Greece, Turkey and China all buy wild fur to supply that market. The other internal problem with the Russia market is RFID tags. https://www.russia-briefing.com/news/russia-tag-fur-imports-bid-fight-customs-fraud.html/US companies will not buy raccoon because of internal bans on using raccoon because of the video skinning them alive in China. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...-sold-West.htmlFactor in the lack of Russia and you have the fur market in freefall. Until the supply equals the demand you have today's present market. Three years ago nobody would have believed the present state of todays fur market. At least 2 more years of this before the present production and stored skins are used up. That video even if real is about dogs not raccoons, if a member of the fur industry doesn't know a dog from a raccoon, it is no wonder that the industry is hurting.
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Re: Status of the International Fur Market
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07/12/18 01:27 PM
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No, they are not "dogs" in the sense that Americans use the term. Yes they are a member of the canine family same as a fox or a coyote. They are about as much of a "dog" as a fox or coyote.
"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
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Re: Status of the International Fur Market
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07/12/18 01:35 PM
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trappers shipping animals instead of selectively releasing and only keeping saleable pelts is part of it as well A very good point. However, in my experience buying fur from trappers, there are quite a few Trappers that are unaware what a low grade pelt looks like even when stretched and dried. Determining if a pelt is going to be saleable while the animal is alive in the trap could be a very difficult task. I'm thinking water logged Raccoon or a muddy coyote.
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Re: Status of the International Fur Market
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07/12/18 02:10 PM
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trappers shipping animals instead of selectively releasing and only keeping saleable pelts is part of it as well Determining if a pelt is going to be saleable while the animal is alive in the trap could be a very difficult task. I'm thinking water logged Raccoon or a muddy coyote. A very good point. I’ve trapped for about 40 years. And would consider my grading mediocre at best. I live within 20 minutes of both NAFA (Stoughton) & FHA (Cambridge). I’ve seen some very low quality fur, and fur handling alike. I mean goods that should truly be thrown in a dumpster! Yet some trappers think that junk is worth as much as the best skins.
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Re: Status of the International Fur Market
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07/12/18 02:13 PM
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Agreed...honestly how many of us (trappers)actually wear fur? I have a beaver hat and a coyote hat. Temp has to get below zero to wear either of them, though.
We are told not to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but are told to judge all gunowners by the actions of a few.
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Re: Status of the International Fur Market
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07/12/18 05:39 PM
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There is a good point here.Some will not know if the fur is good or not.Some think just because they caught it that it is worth alot. When to the fur buyer that I mean a good fair one will tell them different. Also it is up to the buyer of what they willing to buy and pay for.When a land owner want problem animals taken out you take what there is no matter what the animal is and the shape it is in. I seen that for what I need to do for the land owner.I know I will not get much for the low grade.But that dose not bother me.I get land that alot dose not want to trap because of low fur price is for how it is now and I get what ever I want from there and also what the land owner wants trap out.
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Re: Status of the International Fur Market
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07/12/18 06:22 PM
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Supply vs Demand could be the reason. Tax and tarrifs are not helpful either. Not sure if public is ready for more fur in clothing. I know my daughter will not wear fur, yet has no problem with leather. Leather is a byproduct but fur isn't. Her reasoning. In that line of thinking fur is a byproduct of wildlife management including endangered species protection, habitat protection, public safety, disease control, nuisance control and food. That's what I'm thinking
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Re: Status of the International Fur Market
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07/12/18 06:47 PM
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trappers shipping animals instead of selectively releasing and only keeping saleable pelts is part of it as well A very good point. However, in my experience buying fur from trappers, there are quite a few Trappers that are unaware what a low grade pelt looks like even when stretched and dried. Determining if a pelt is going to be saleable while the animal is alive in the trap could be a very difficult task. I'm thinking water logged Raccoon or a muddy coyote. When I trap coons with dog proofs I always release the sows and the kits in the fall.Their fur is crappy period.I have often caught the same coons in our late winter/spring season and the females and young of the fall that previous year are beautiful.I have had those coons usually go 90% select-seriously.Catch the big males in the fall and the females and young later in the winter.Now I know lots of guys cannot do that when you use drowning sets etc..but with dog proofs it works out well for sure.
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Re: Status of the International Fur Market
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07/12/18 09:37 PM
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They said the same thing in 1850,then it came back gangbusters in the 1880's.
There were always ups and downs in the fur market,always will be.This current downswing is nothing new. But I’ll be dead in 30 years..... Seems that 25-30 years is the cycle, 1987 put a hurt on most who were in the business then, 30 years later we've seen another slow buildup, peak, and now the downturn. I sure hope it's not another 25-30 years, I don't think I'll have much interest/ability when I'm 90 years old. I can see winter beaver coming up in price nicely once the market overall bounces back.
Beaver is the most versatile fur as it can be used natural as a utility fur,or plucked and sheared as a high fashon item.
There are special unique skills involved in dressing beaver that add to the cost,thus depressing its use in a down market.
Here in the U.S. ski areas shearing beaver has been the star of the retail fur sales. 40% of my sales are heavy, sheared beaver. I think the level of production (read that lack thereof) has kept large manufacturers from picking up the item, that and cheap ranch fur. Granted there are more factors involved here but
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Re: Status of the International Fur Market
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07/12/18 10:16 PM
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Agreed...honestly how many of us (trappers)actually wear fur? I have a beaver hat and a coyote hat. Temp has to get below zero to wear either of them, though. My "Russian" hat made from a large otter is the same. But boy when it's cold out you just can't beat it. I have 10 tanned otters that I think I'm going to have made into a coat. It would be perfect for those below zero days, ice fishing, etc..
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Re: Status of the International Fur Market
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07/12/18 10:18 PM
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I send more beaver to the tannery than any fur for my own use and for sale to clients.I always sell out before the next bunch comes in from the tanner.
Beaver fur is a versatile and long lasting fur for all kinds of garments.
Much of the very best parchment Beaver from Northern Quebec never sees an auction.They go directly to France.
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Re: Status of the International Fur Market
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07/12/18 10:22 PM
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Al, why do you suppose the level of production is so low on shearable beaver?
I bet I get a couple calls a year from guys wanting shearable beaver. When I ask them how much and they give me some figures, my typical reply is you don't want them all that bad do ya
"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
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Re: Status of the International Fur Market
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07/15/18 12:51 PM
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Too cheap for the square inches of fur.
The problem is the dressing of these pelts in North America is too expensive for the manufacturers.
The deal is better for them on XXX\XXl.Cost of dressing is much higher per sq inch for smaller beaver than large ones.
Has anyone ever published or figured out the price of different species of fur by the square inch?
I would also be interested in the difference in price per sq inch between a small shearing beav,and a XXXL shearing beaver of the same grade.
Perhaps with Trumps easing of environmental and other regulatory roadblocks we may see the dressing industry expand in North America which was decimated by the implementation of these regs in the past.
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Re: Status of the International Fur Market
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07/15/18 04:20 PM
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The harvest only top quality fur is a good idea for trappers. But since buyers don’t have to and won’t buy junk what possible difference does it make to the market for good fur. None, When the market is hot ,junk and southern fur have some value. When it’s bad it has none. It ain’t a glut of section three fur that’s killed our market
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Re: Status of the International Fur Market
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07/15/18 04:21 PM
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Al, why do you suppose the level of production is so low on shearable beaver?
I bet I get a couple calls a year from guys wanting shearable beaver. When I ask them how much and they give me some figures, my typical reply is you don't want them all that bad do ya Back to what comes first, the chicken or the egg? Higher winter beaver price or better quality and more production? Maybe this item just dies out. The market is the market.
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Re: Status of the International Fur Market
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07/15/18 11:07 PM
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I agree that the market is the market.
But don't tell me that shearable beaver are the star of your skiing market and that the problem is lack of production when the prices that manufacturers are offering is an insult.
"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
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Re: Status of the International Fur Market
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07/16/18 09:48 PM
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Al, why do you suppose the level of production is so low on shearable beaver?
I bet I get a couple calls a year from guys wanting shearable beaver. When I ask them how much and they give me some figures, my typical reply is you don't want them all that bad do ya Ranch mink stole your shareable beaver market years ago. Fellas should read those magazines that the auctions put out. There is no hope for beaver when Herman is telling you beaver can't compete with cheap ranch mink and this was in 2013.
Who is John Galt?
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