Have guys come in on Sat night acting like a fool don't care about anything then but the next day they are sorry, feel bad and won't do it again and the next weekend here they are again doing and feeling the same way. After several yeas of this on and off it gets old as nothing changes in the end for some. Seen a lot of guys in their 40 and 50s get buried before their time, seen a lot of young girls that had the world for the taking that settled for nothing for the free drugs.

When you hear, "at least I did not kill anybody yet" is that really argument for their actions. LOL The thing is that person could cause 10 accidents bouncing off everyone's cars, knowk down light poles ram police vehicles, stay in jail/prison, get a lawyer and be fined and never pay a dime of it in the end. All consumption and no production year after year how do you deal with people that care about nothing not even family?

you don't deal with them law dog. you let them destroy their selves

That would be the Judges Danny that tell them multiple times them they, "better not come before them again!" and nothing happens when they do! LOL We just follow the statutes when they meet the standards the rest is up to the Courts not us.

The problem is they don't just destroy themselves,they take a lot of people with them. New born's that are addicted, theft would skyrocket. Every government freebie program that exist's would be depleted, social security sucks now can you imagine how many junkies would apply for,and get, ssn due to there addiction. The penalties need to be enforced to the max, it may cost more for prisons but were paying for it now anyway. The up side would be if there locked up maybe my family and property would be a little bit safer.

Another down fall is look at how children are raised now can you imagine how society would be 20 years from now, it'd be a frick'in cheech and chong movie.

I do agree that the government interferes to much but,in my opinion,not enough as far as drugs go.

Jailers and Correction Officers will be hard to find in the future with what they will need to deal with and the pay sucks the ones you attract might be the ones you don't want for the job! The days of Odis the town drunk are long past and the things you can catch today don't make it worth it the risks.


I can see long lock downs from a central pod controlling what they can with the lack of help and budgets they will have to get by with. Brave new world ahead!

The 'land of the free' already has the world's highest incarceration rate. But, hey, let's throw a few million into the gulag.

Some are safer there then out there hurting others and themselves and that's just a fact sad to say! Free works well if your not racking up victims at every move innocent people have lives to enjoy also!

Those crimes where there is a demonstrable victim need to be punished.

It is tough to know the amount of crime where there is a victim is due in whole to the fact of drugs being illegal and the hidden affects of that. I am willing to find out by legalization.

We have the highest incarceration rate because most countries execute there problems and don't continue to babysit an adult through life.

That is patently false. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country

You can have one or the other either one but not both you can keep people safe and separate the problems or deal with the dangers they pose to the public I never was a fan of free ranging people making high risk mistake that can harm others. The free ranging idea sounds great in theory but the you don't get good outcomes from the bad actions of others never have.


General statements with zero real life applications or any better plans is just lip service, come up with a plan I'd be interested.

I have made no general statements. I have said several times to work to discouple healthcare from government and to legalize drugs. That is about as specific as it can get.
It sounds as though you believe it is government's job to prevent crime by 'free ranging people', while I believe it's sole job in the area of public safety is to punish criminals where there is a demonstrable victim.

So glad I started this. LOL

But as for the war on drugs, It started with cocaine. It slowed down. Meth, not the main story. Now its cheap heroin. But what galls me is 95% of the over doses they report in the news is heroin but the media ALWAYS quotes stats about pill prescriptions !!!

Not related though

Ya,I'm sure it was just a freakish coincidence.

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That is patently false. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country


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Finn, stats can be adjusted and normally are to suit the individuals cause and we all know wikipedia is considered a good guess. But lets say all the info in wikipedia is accurate some of these countries the individuals don't get a court date if you know what I mean.

I also believe that after you spend time in some foreign prison systems you won't be a repeat offender due to the lack of fun.

Danny theft would absolutely increase there's no way around it. If your hooked on heroin, meth what ever eventually you won't be able to work and your going to have to get it some how. Not sure where your going with some of your other post. I know back in the day a lot of over the counter products had small amounts of opiates in them. Maybe that was the reason for not kicking the habit while locked up. I'm sure back then there was no rehab in the prison system.

Danny and Finn, I retired from law enforcement in 2011. The things I saw while someone was under the influence of drugs or alcohol were horrible. I once saw a guy walking around with a deceased infant,he murdered, looking for a garbage dumpster to dispose of the child and yes he was under the influence of drugs.

I used to talk with some of the older guys I arrested and I asked them how they got started on "hard" drugs and most of them told me they were at a party and their friend had some weed. I would say 80% percent told me that same story. I realize smoking weed doesn't make you a killer or a thief or three quarters of America would be in prison but it was the beginning of the end for the ones riding with me.

I'm against legalizing marijuana for recreational use. We have alcohol and legal prescription drugs and look at the problems they cause. Marijuana will just add to the list.

Surrendering to legalization of drugs will kill this country quicker than the liberals ever thought of.

Is murder going to be okay then? We can't stop it and it's been going on for ever. How about rape? Where do we draw the line? I wish the government would jump in with both feet to fight it but like everything else they do it's a mess.

World peace would help so much what ya got on that? LOL Saying everyone's doing it so wrong and not saying what's a better way seems like a easy task. Right up there with unicorn nuisance control! LOL Come on what your better plan interested in that reply really what's a viable plan to do it better?

Koss, I am not interested in what you're peddling. It seems you want the USA to go the way of these other countries who you claim under report their 'capital punishment' by having extra judicial state murders without the hassle of providing a day in court. That isn't going to happen here.
Lawdog, after repeated attempts to explain my position to you, it seems you are incapable of accepting the idea of limiting government as a viable solution and call it unicorn nuisance control. I am thinking you are not interested in lessening the problem of addiction in society and are more about buttressing your position as a man who is 'tough on crime'.