Re: Free needles are you kidding me?
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Many call it a victimless crime and they never consider who pays for the services and hospital fees that are racked up every day by poor choices! Just seen one that is going to end up with a quarter of a million hospital bill or around that before it's all over maybe more! That bill will never get paid ever by that person and has already cost the system millions in services and aid costs already.
It's just going to get worse with the, (there are no consequences) thinking many have today!
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
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Re: Free needles are you kidding me?
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I think there would be fewer victims if all dope were legal again. By criminalizing it we have made the problems criminalization was supposed to alleviate worse. Not the least of which is organized, violent street gangs that exist solely to distribute drugs.
Addiction has NOT been reduced and the cost to families of dope fiends as well as every other tax payer are greater.
There will never be any progress made on harmful recreational drugs because the profit is to great. Illegal sales and distribution of narcotics is the last true capitalism and profits are incredibly lucrative. Rich get richer and addicts go to prison. Of course not until they get so desperate they end up arrested. Prison gets them healthy so when they are released they can provide the real outlaws with income for a few years again.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Free needles are you kidding me?
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Re: Free needles are you kidding me?
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Since drugs already won the war on drugs,maybe it's time for another declaration and a doubling down on dumb. Yea number would be reduced greatly just by declaring ONE day no narcan day... Just go one day without giving any narcan
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Re: Free needles are you kidding me?
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I think there would be fewer victims if all dope were legal again. By criminalizing it we have made the problems criminalization was supposed to alleviate worse. Not the least of which is organized, violent street gangs that exist solely to distribute drugs.
Addiction has NOT been reduced and the cost to families of dope fiends as well as every other tax payer are greater.
There will never be any progress made on harmful recreational drugs because the profit is to great. Illegal sales and distribution of narcotics is the last true capitalism and profits are incredibly lucrative. Rich get richer and addicts go to prison. Of course not until they get so desperate they end up arrested. Prison gets them healthy so when they are released they can provide the real outlaws with income for a few years again. The only problem with that is they are all happy and care free but when they no longer have control it's up to everyone else to put then back together and maybe a small percentage see the light and the majority keep destroying everything in their path if it's theirs or not to destroy! Sit down and figure what it cost to raise a child that is raised on aid his whole life, the cost of juvenile treatment for drugs or other behaviors, then adult incarceration all the time never being productive to society ever in that life. I don't have the answers but this is what I see everyday!
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: Free needles are you kidding me?
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Saw where Sincinnati is running a free needle mobile truck for junkies!!! Also have narcan and a pitstop for them to shoot up and be monitored. We have kids and grown ups that do and or will contribute to society that can't afford life saving meds but we give scum free instruments to break the law. !!! I would say stand up and protest but if I did it that would be illegal. EVEN worse I would sound like a Dummycrat !!!!!
I was one who made a harsh comment about the loss of a loved one to herion. BUT you know what life ain't a picnic. If you try to be something other than a leech. People are not entitled to anything. Nothing is for sure. People have to make choices. Does everyone deserve a second chance ? You bet!!! Its the third and forth chance I have trouble with.. But todays politicians feed off of peoples emotions. Oh yea remember when I said some people like to be a leech. How do politicians thrive. Heck their lively hood depends on what they can get from others !!!! Yup, free needles is nothing more than the government enabling a criminal. Keep the minions in the gutter, all they want is the vote.
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Re: Free needles are you kidding me?
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That program has been running for years now ever since HEB c and aids
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Re: Free needles are you kidding me?
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I think there would be fewer victims if all dope were legal again. By criminalizing it we have made the problems criminalization was supposed to alleviate worse. Not the least of which is organized, violent street gangs that exist solely to distribute drugs.
Addiction has NOT been reduced and the cost to families of dope fiends as well as every other tax payer are greater.
There will never be any progress made on harmful recreational drugs because the profit is to great. Illegal sales and distribution of narcotics is the last true capitalism and profits are incredibly lucrative. Rich get richer and addicts go to prison. Of course not until they get so desperate they end up arrested. Prison gets them healthy so when they are released they can provide the real outlaws with income for a few years again. The only problem with that is they are all happy and care free but when they no longer have control it's up to everyone else to put then back together and maybe a small percentage see the light and the majority keep destroying everything in their path if it's theirs or not to destroy! Sit down and figure what it cost to raise a child that is raised on aid his whole life, the cost of juvenile treatment for drugs or other behaviors, then adult incarceration all the time never being productive to society ever in that life. I don't have the answers but this is what I see everyday! have to agree with you on this Jerry
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Re: Free needles are you kidding me?
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The thing that gets me on these needle handouts is you can't buy a syringe to kill a skunk but they will give them to you if your an addict?
This ranks right up there with the idea that giving a person with behavioral issues the responsibility of taking their own meds is just like giving out needles to people already making poor choices seems short lived in reality! If they feel the need and they are offered a dirty needle are they really going to say no thanks I have a clean one in the next room.
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Re: Free needles are you kidding me?
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Free needles here as well.
Well that approach sure isn't working either. Complete fail.
I could care less if you think you're life should be spent as a junkie. Up to you....but the junkie isn't paying for his dope, trips to the ER, Ambulance call outs, hospital care, Rehab (for the 13th time), etc, etc etc. That I have a problem with.
And make no mistake HERE no addict is doing any jail time. NONE. Even the hardcore dealers know they just have to claim "addict status" if they get caught and the judge sentences them to tax payer funded rehab. Everyone is a victim here.
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Re: Free needles are you kidding me?
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Instead of working to decouple healthcare and it's associated 'society costs' from government, it is better to spend billions of taxpayer money on throwing them in prison AND pay for the associated health cost. Interesting policy. It hasn't worked for the last 50 years, but maybe this will be the year. Yep spending billions on those that will never pay a dime and care less is somehow not (decoupling health care) in any way? really Pretty sure the people paying the healthcare costs and the taxes sure can feel the sting! Any uninsured person can walk in a hospital and get what they need but a lot of people with coverage can't do the same for the high cost of deductibles. Tell me how well it's turning out for everyone but the abusers. LOL just that one dimensional thinking again buddy! LOL Walk in a neighborhood bar and do a survey of the people smoking and drinking and see how many have insurance I think that would be interesting to look into. I bet asking them if they care that they drink and smoke cost others a lot in the long run might be interesting too!
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Re: Free needles are you kidding me?
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don't hear about a lot of stuff anymore. local control of schools, legal carry nation wide, balanced budget, smaller government come to mind along with repealing obama care
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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