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Re: Free needles are you kidding me? [Re: jbyrd63] #6284880
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Koss, I , too, retired from law enforcement. I’m proud to say that I learned a lot . For example, I learned that drug enforcement is nothing more than an income generator be it in the form of seizures or money paid out by the DEA for agencies that participate in cannabis eradication operations. I’m tired of seeing it and begin advocating for changes in policy with regards to it .

I’m also proud to say I’ve studied history and know prohibition is a policy that’s always destined to fail . Just because it’s enacted doesn’t make it a successful plan .


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Re: Free needles are you kidding me? [Re: jbyrd63] #6284898
07/22/18 09:21 PM
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Finn, I wasn't peddling anything I was sharing some of my experiences with you. I don't know if you get out of Minnesota much but I have been to some of these other "countries" and these things do go on.

I guess you missed the first part where I said stats can be adjusted that's by EVERY country! And how you pulled out the I want the USA to "go the way of these other countries" is beyond me.

I don't think anyone can have a logical conversation with you once the word, government comes up.

Adios from New Mexico Mr. Finn!

Re: Free needles are you kidding me? [Re: jbyrd63] #6284902
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Aaron, so the feds suck,I agree with that. Are you saying legalize drugs?

Re: Free needles are you kidding me? [Re: jbyrd63] #6284904
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Yes sir , I am .


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Re: Free needles are you kidding me? [Re: jbyrd63] #6284910
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All drugs?

Re: Free needles are you kidding me? [Re: jbyrd63] #6284921
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I’m afraid so . I don’t shoot heroin, smoke meth or crack, snort coke ( couldn’t afford it anyway), huff inhalants , etc.,etc.. Not because it’s illegal, but because of the destruction. I think that’s true of the vast majority of the population. Drug access is too easy now to suggest that something such as legality stands in the way of using . One of the reasons heroin has become so common is because it’s so much easier to get than the Rx opioids that many junkies first got hooked on .

Brings me to my next point . You mentioned addicts saying it all started with weed at a party . I’d counter with it all began with a Dr’s visit.


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Re: Free needles are you kidding me? [Re: jbyrd63] #6284971
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Aaron, You said you ,"couldn't afford it anyway" that's one of the issue's. I know you were kidding about your using it but what happens when they can't afford it and there not kidding? They will come up with the money one way or another.

I agree with you about the destruction, hence it being illegal.

I also agree with you about the feds it's a paper game to them, a stat for the boss. It's generally not their community there fighting for. I could tell you numerous fed stories and I tried my best to stay away from them but they would show up any way. But I won't quit because my team members suck.

As I mentioned about the weed it's not big on my agenda as it's not addictive. Not trying to be a smart a-- Aaron you can counter
with the Dr's visit but those were there answer's not mine. Back then the thugs didn't go to the Dr's unless they were shot,stabbed or beaten severly. LOL

Aaron your the first retire LEO that I've heard say to legalize all drugs,I've heard several that don't really care about weed.

I find your view interesting. If I have offended you that is not my intention

Re: Free needles are you kidding me? [Re: jbyrd63] #6284991
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Nope. Not offended at all, sir .

Last few major meth cooks I dealt with said they were going to get out of the cooking business. Said they couldn’t compete with what’s coming up from Mexico.

However, they said they were simply changing up their product. Opioids. Reason being is cause it knows no demographic boundaries. And all they have to do is wait for Rx is to dry up . New customer. Secondly, meth heads eventually turn to it as a way to deal with the pain years of abuse have taken on their bodies.

Drug enforcement is just a big hole we keep throwing treasure into .


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Re: Free needles are you kidding me? [Re: FlyinFinn] #6285038
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Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
Koss, I am not interested in what you're peddling. It seems you want the USA to go the way of these other countries who you claim under report their 'capital punishment' by having extra judicial state murders without the hassle of providing a day in court. That isn't going to happen here.
Lawdog, after repeated attempts to explain my position to you, it seems you are incapable of accepting the idea of limiting government as a viable solution and call it unicorn nuisance control. I am thinking you are not interested in lessening the problem of addiction in society and are more about buttressing your position as a man who is 'tough on crime'.


LOL So if everyone else has it wrong then what changes to corrections should be made then is what I was asking, turn it all into what you want just wondering what the proper approaches to take a "bite out crime you might" of had in mind is all! Never said anything about tough on crime it's just what I run into every day is all it's what I see and deal with not the stuff you make up, run down and play games with. Simple question if there was just a little bit of thought put behind it that would be informative maybe. The routine blanket "Big Government" line is a cop out it sounds like what's a better plan simple and fair question!


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Re: Free needles are you kidding me? [Re: jbyrd63] #6285050
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Lawdog,I cannot make it anymore simple for you. Legalization of recreational drugs by repeal of existing drug laws. When you ask me what changes to corrections should be made, I feel I am not understanding what you are asking me.
If by corrections you mean jails, prisons, and parole, well, my answer of repealing the laws criminalizing drug use are self explanatory in that regard.
I do not purport that my plan of legalization would stop all crime, or that people would use less drugs than they do now. Maybe they would?

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Re: Free needles are you kidding me? [Re: jbyrd63] #6285060
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Can’t we all just enjoy a little skunky bud , watch some Portlandia , and get along ?


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Re: Free needles are you kidding me? [Re: jbyrd63] #6285076
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Your retirement sounds stress free Aaron.

Re: Free needles are you kidding me? [Re: jbyrd63] #6285078
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You have no idea , my friend .


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Re: Free needles are you kidding me? [Re: jbyrd63] #6285079
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I think it cured my bunions and lazy eye .


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Re: Free needles are you kidding me? [Re: jbyrd63] #6285085
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I know when I'm trying to do something and my plan doesn't work, I don't keep doing the same thing hoping for a different result.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Free needles are you kidding me? [Re: jbyrd63] #6285086
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States that have reduced gun control have seen a decrease in theft assault and murder. So I'd say the policy of people arming themselves is working. States that have doubled down on gun control have seen an increase. The places no one wants to visit keep passing more control laws.


drug laws are no different


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Free needles are you kidding me? [Re: jbyrd63] #6285092
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Freedom is scary and messy. It is what built this country however. A handful of people turned a wilderness into the richest, strongest most wonderful country on Earth because they were FREE to do so. There was and will be a lot of ugliness. Nothing is perfect.

As we continue to look for government to provide instead of the self reliance that built our country, we keep slipping in the standings. Slipping in live babies being born (not referring to abortion here) slipping in the education of our children, slipping in our ability to produce, more prisoners per capita that any other first world country on the planet.

Freedom. Its what will bring us back.


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