Re: Socialism
[Re: FlyinFinn]
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It is not illegal to be a Communist. There are Communist Parties active in many states in our country. Being a 'communist' isn't unconstitutional,. Many of the policies they may implement might be unconstitutional, but that has been the case of both Republican and Democrat parties in our near history. Being one is not illegal. Belonging to the "club" is not illegal. But being the above then taking office and swearing an oath to our Constitution is! Because it a lie!!! I'm pretty sure we did outlaw a communist party! As in dem, rep, communist
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Re: Socialism
[Re: AntiGov]
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Free stuff paid for by the gubmint sounds just hunky dorey to those that don't realise the gubments money is actually our taxes.
the wheels of the gods turn very slowly
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Re: Socialism
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When it get down to the nut cuttin you guys going to wear the color gray this time, lol. "Butternut"
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Re: Socialism
[Re: brianmall]
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07/30/18 08:43 PM
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And "states" are different! States have more leeway to do what they want Hers's the link to the national party. http://www.cpusa.org/ You may be aware that John Brennan...Obama's head of the CIA, voted for Gus Hall in 1976. Hall was the CPUSA candidate for president. So much for control of the communists. They are alive and well all around us.
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Re: Socialism
[Re: white17]
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And "states" are different! States have more leeway to do what they want Hers's the link to the national party. http://www.cpusa.org/ You may be aware that John Brennan...Obama's head of the CIA, voted for Gus Hall in 1976. Hall was the CPUSA candidate for president. So much for control of the communists. They are alive and well all around us. Yup And he even said he was sweating that question.
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Re: Socialism
[Re: white17]
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With how screwed up the medical industry is I may be able to support single payer health care if it was ran by each individual state and not a federal program, dont think that quite makes me a full fledged socialist though... How would you pay for it ? I will start out by saying I do not have a full understanding of the medical system, I feel if I studied it for 10 hours a day for 6 months I would have a elementary understanding of it, it is such a complex field that I think it is arrogance for most people to suggest they have all the answers on how to fix the issues in that field me included. Now that my disclaimer is out of the way I will move on to the question. Firstly you would need to force cost down, the $30 dollar Tylenol and $629 dollar band aids cannot be allowed to go on, prices would need to be negotiated and standardized between hospitals and the state, in addition to standardized pricing which should lower cost you would also be able to cut out the billing department which at present is basically entire wings of hospitals because of the huge amount of paper work that goes along with billing all the different insurance plans. In another cost saving attempt I would limit doctors and hospitals liability, lawsuits are to common due to the emotions involved in sickness and death this drives malpractice insurance through the roof which is then passed on to other customers. Now we know the average health care cost per individual over their lifetime is 316,000 dollars which means it would cost someone about 8,000 dollars per year for 40 years to fund their health care cost for the entirety of their life, now if we went single payer I am assuming we could match other first world countries in price which is about half of our cost per person which would leave us needing to fund 4,000 per year per person. To raise that 4,000 a year medicaid could be dissolved and social security could be shrunk/diverted to health care, other state run programs could also be cut (food stamps etc). At present my main problem is that medical cost are driven by insurance and are out of control, spending twice as much as other countries for our medical is ridiculous. If there are better ways to sort it out I am all ears.
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Re: Socialism
[Re: AntiGov]
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07/30/18 09:36 PM
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Take away congress's lifetime premium 'special' healthcare and have them get the same as everyone else and you will see some changes in what everyone else has a choice of.
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Re: Socialism
[Re: AntiGov]
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Health care is a disaster because of government involvement
For healthcare to not be a disaster , government would have to have no involvement
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Re: Socialism
[Re: AntiGov]
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Cut insurance both private/govt out of the equation. Let the patient/doctor negotiate the price.
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Re: Socialism
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For healthcare to not be a disaster , government would have to have no involvement government is providing for our general welfare
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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