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Bobcat foot placement at rub post? #6291628
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Anybody have video of bobcat rubbing on post? I filmed a housecat placing its feet to side of post and rubbing its cheeks on lured post without moving its feet from their original position. I have caught 2 or 3 hundred bobcats but not in rub sets.

So when making a bobcat rub set, do you fence the post in tightly, and what trap placement in relation to lured post do you use?

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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6291631
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Put two traps in line with a small stone between the traps

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6291652
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at cat sets I use a lot of fencing to get them on my trap. you can learn from misses. at a set a coyote is working where something went wrong and trap didn't fire there will be tracks ontop of tracks. a cat will leave 2-3 at most. block em in. wont bother a cat at all


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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6291729
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The whole idea behind using a rub lure to catch bobcats, was invented by trappers who did not know how to properly guide a bobcat's foot at a set. The idea was to keep them moving their feet while rubbing on the lure. You see this form of trapping all the time in a lot of bobcat trapping videos where the trapper hasn't figured how cats react at a set. For the most part they are accomplished canine trappers who were taught how to trap by someone else and have never took the time to understand cats. They either use the biggest trap allowable by law or use two traps per set. This is the only way they know how to reduce misses. Evidently Danny Clifton isn't one of these men. What he said is spot on. A bobcat will plant his feet and contort his neck and body to smell the set, once his curiosity is satisfied he is gone. On most cat sets, the trap should be a minimum of 12" from the attractor. As far as your question about trap placement on a rub set. I would advise raising the lure slightly, where he has to raise his head a little. Just guessing, I would say 20" above the ground and put it on a small piece of white fake fur nailed to the tree so the lure stays put at that height. This should put both front feet together very close to the base of the tree. I would think that a smaller diameter tree would work better so he doesn't have the start of the roots to stand on. I'm not speaking from experience because I haven't found the need for rub sets. I'm suggesting this as a place to start, knowing bobcat behavior.

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6292252
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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6292315
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I love rub sets. At head level or a bit higher. My preference is on the end of a long stick I can move forward or back. Back edge of trap right straight line below the end of stick. Castor. Back Breaker preferably. The stick is the guide. The feet follow the nose. Usually toms.

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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6292368
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Why take a chance on a rub set (or dirt hole, cubby, or flat set) and have to worry about trap placement?

The one and only set you need is a properly made walk through set. The trap placement is dead center in the middle of the fence or brush opening. As is the cats paw.

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6292385
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Are you saying a bobcat won't rub on a lure that's formulated for this kind of response?

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6292400
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Cheek rub set was the one I used the most, rock walls, Boulder piles, cedar trunk,

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: John Sullivan] #6292430
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Originally Posted By: trapsRus
Why take a chance on a rub set (or dirt hole, cubby, or flat set) and have to worry about trap placement?

The one and only set you need is a properly made walk through set. The trap placement is dead center in the middle of the fence or brush opening. As is the cats paw.


Read this again and believe it. Lure optional.


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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6292662
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Quote:
The one and only set you need is a properly made walk through set.


For single concept trappers?

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Yes sir] #6292670
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Originally Posted By: Yes sir
Cleve
Are you saying a bobcat won't rub on a lure that's formulated for this kind of response?


No sir, Yes Sir, ... sorry that made me chuckle. Rub lures definitely work. I've talked to trappers that swear by them. I'm sure there are some great rub lures out there.

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6292748
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After a thousand plus cats and many many on trail cam I would never say I "understand" cat behavior. A few predictable traits but not even close to understanding them.

One of the better cat trappers in the state of NV, heck the entire country once told me he figures we catch as many cats on accident as we do on purpose.
Anyone who has ever run more than a couple trail cams on their cats sets I'm certain would agree.

ML

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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6292799
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One of the things my Bengal cat does the most is rubs his cheeks on nearly everything, including me

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6292873
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I 'll get some popcorn


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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: red mt] #6292875
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Originally Posted By: red mt
I 'll get some popcorn


I'll get the sodas. Diet or regular?

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6292882
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Thanks Red.Get some extra.
I would consider using cage traps a huge disadvantage,vs foot traps.It's why every one has fought so hard against them.

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6292888
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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Lazarus] #6292897
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Originally Posted By: Lazarus
Originally Posted By: red mt
I 'll get some popcorn


I'll get the sodas. Diet or regular?


Regular please
Thanks
Salt butter on the corn?

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Just plain. I think there will be plenty of flavor . . . .

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6292912
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This reminds me of the old days on T-man!!!!!! I haven't seen this many seasoned cat trappers on one thread in a lonnnnggg time. Hopefully we can discuss long springs being inferior to coils, the weaknesses of bacon bait, oversized pans don't work, and the inappropriate use of gland lures at walk through sets.



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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6292949
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I would take a diet dew, Im still working on this girlish figure of mine. Don't want my britches making my hind end look big.


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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6292965
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Nah I don't let grumpy old know it alls stir me up. It's the young know it alls that get me.

Cleve - the thread was about foot placement for rub sets. You write a "know it all Im the greatest Im the best" post about a bunch of stuff and then admit that you don't use rub sets but offer your expert advice. Pretty typical for the internet but what did you expect would happen? Folks just tell you how great you are and wish they had all the answers like you. Tell us how good you are but get all wadded up when someone expresses their thoughts.

With regard to catching them on accident - the thread was about foot placement not trapping skills. If you somehow know that EVERY cat that comes by your set steps exactly in the middle of your pan then you are the king. When I catch one in a foot hold they tear the ground all up so you really don't know if they visited the set 2-3 times, waked all around it checking it out, backed up and peed on it then got caught smelling their own pee or any of dozens of things that can and do happen. They must respect you so much that they hold their pose once the trap fires. Must be nice to get their and see them with one foot in the air dead center of your trap and a wonderful look of admiration on their face.

Because I trap somewhere that cats are more plentiful that makes them easier to catch? So the higher the population the dumber they are? So a cat visits your trap in Wisconsin (low density) and you have less chance of him stepping on your pan or entering your cage in Arizona because he is smarter, because there are fewer of them? huh? I would think that trapping higher densities and thus higher catch numbers would expose you to more cats and thus more interactions/experiences? I could be wrong.

Whatever. I hope I never fully understand bobcats and catch everyone that visits my sets because I would be done. Made it to the top. Mastered it and move on to something new. I would miss it.

And cage traps are somehow easier than foot holds? Say What?

ML



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Lots of ice to keep mine cold and hot butter please and thanks. Extra salt too


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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6293081
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That's it????????


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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6293095
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If I didn't have to get up at 3 a.m. to hunt coyotes, I'd stay and watch this. I might learn something.

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6293106
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Wow. Dude you need to go over to Lynx Lair. You would fit right in.

By any chance you hate the NTA and non - resident trapping?

Mercer. Name is Mercer.

But you can call me Sir Lynx Rufus

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6293115
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Is that like Roy D. Mercer? M E R C E R. How big of old boy are ya?


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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6293123
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I've caught 3 at rub sets and missed one with snow on the ground to see it with my own eyes. Anyone want my 2 cents? Lol

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Wow is all I have to say. I saw a bobcat once. They are a lot bigger than they look on TV!


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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6293137
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That’s some good entertainment right there!

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6293138
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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6293144
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WOW. I asked a very pointed question. I appreciate all replies. But I was not expecting a graduate level dissertation on the size of a trap pan.

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Cleve] #6293159
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Originally Posted By: Cleve
Originally Posted By: Mercer Lawing
Nah I don't let grumpy old know it alls stir me up. It's the young know it alls that get me.

Cleve - the thread was about foot placement for rub sets. You write a "know it all Im the greatest Im the best" post about a bunch of stuff and then admit that you don't use rub sets but offer your expert advice. Pretty typical for the internet but what did you expect would happen? Folks just tell you how great you are and wish they had all the answers like you. Tell us how good you are but get all wadded up when someone expresses their thoughts.

With regard to catching them on accident - the thread was about foot placement not trapping skills. If you somehow know that EVERY cat that comes by your set steps exactly in the middle of your pan then you are the king. When I catch one in a foot hold they tear the ground all up so you really don't know if they visited the set 2-3 times, waked all around it checking it out, backed up and peed on it then got caught smelling their own pee or any of dozens of things that can and do happen. They must respect you so much that they hold their pose once the trap fires. Must be nice to get their and see them with one foot in the air dead center of your trap and a wonderful look of admiration on their face.

Because I trap somewhere that cats are more plentiful that makes them easier to catch? So the higher the population the dumber they are? So a cat visits your trap in Wisconsin (low density) and you have less chance of him stepping on your pan or entering your cage in Arizona because he is smarter, because there are fewer of them? huh? I would think that trapping higher densities and thus higher catch numbers would expose you to more cats and thus more interactions/experiences? I could be wrong.

Whatever. I hope I never fully understand bobcats and catch everyone that visits my sets because I would be done. Made it to the top. Mastered it and move on to something new. I would miss it.

And cage traps are somehow easier than foot holds? Say What?

ML




Dear Mr. Whatever tha heck your name is, in regards to your previous post. I here by grant you permission, from this day forward, to address me as "MR. CLEVE KING SIR". For cats don't leave my sets on their own accord. I realize that in the short exspanses of your feeble mind, you cannot possible conceive the notion that someone out there in the whole wild world might know something that you don't. Well take your Adderall and pay attention. Bobcats have been born with Ninja genetics. The way they move, the way they kill, the way they live their life. I've herd some ignorant men say that they are stupid animals and can be caught in a trap set by a child. Well ... this is true. But it's not that they are stupid, it's because they are fearless. If you would understand the nature of the beast, then you can use it against him. Take for example the way a cat moves, and the way he puts his feet down. He will always step in a soft quiet place if given the chance. They hate noise. From themselves and everything around them. It's the only reason a lion will run from dogs. He's not scared of them, heck he eats them. Its the noise of the hounds that freak them out. Cats make a living being sneaky. They will always step in a small round piece of Quiet, soft dirt in the middle of leaves, grass, what ever. Have you ever watched your house cat eat? look where it's front feet are. They are tight together and in the middle of his body from nose to rump. A bobcat can stretch out a foot or more to smell your set and that's all he is going to do. Then the he will do an about face and leave. That's all I can give ya for now, I don't want to melt down your little brain. So there you go. Your leaving here smarter than you were before. Till next time ... MR.CLEVE KING SIR. p.s. in the past 29 years. I've only seen in the snow of Kansas and the dust of South Texas a few cats leave my sets. They were all kitten tracks bar one. And that cat taught me how big of a dead zone all traps have. OH ...bye the way ... I'll give ya another tip. Turn your traps around. Have the dog away from the attractor. Have them stepping into the sweet spot. Not the dead zone... chow



Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6293160
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Irony.......

Giving someone crap for trapping cats in CA (which apparently is overrun with cats), than saying they trap cats in South Texas, which, everywhere ive been in South Texas, is overrun with cats. And heck, can even throw lots of KS in that category too.

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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Coyote Clayton] #6293162
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Originally Posted By: Coyote Clayton
... and the inappropriate use of gland lures at walk through sets.


Wait.. are gland lures really inappropriate at walk through sets??

I'm one of the inexperienced cat trappers.


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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Ken Smith] #6293174
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Originally Posted By: Ken Smith
Originally Posted By: Coyote Clayton
... and the inappropriate use of gland lures at walk through sets.


Wait.. are gland lures really inappropriate at walk through sets??

I'm one of the inexperienced cat trappers.


The short version….. YES, totally unnecessary !

They are such a brave and fearless predator that there is no need buying commercial lure, you can just use recycled beer ! Lol

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Originally Posted By: Mercer Lawing
After a thousand plus cats and many many on trail cam I would never say I "understand" cat behavior. A few predictable traits but not even close to understanding them.

One of the better cat trappers in the state of NV, heck the entire country once told me he figures we catch as many cats on accident as we do on purpose.
Anyone who has ever run more than a couple trail cams on their cats sets I'm certain would agree.

ML


If you are catching cats in cages in California you aren't even in the same ballpark as a foothold trapper. And bragging about catching "a thousand bobcats" in a state that is over run with cats isn't much to brag about. Then telling us about "the BEST cat trapper in in the country" catching as many cats by accident as on purpose tells me all I need to know about his abilities as well. As far as I'm concerned any fool can catch a cat in a cage trap and your right, you don't have to know much about cats to do it. If you had spent 40 years studying bobcats and figured out how to make EVERY cat that investigates your set, step in the middle of an MB 550, then we would have something to talk about.
what I'm mad about is with all the knowledge supposedly going around this place no one thought to tell me it's easier to catch cats in cages!!!

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6293183
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California is off limits to any cat trapping, cage or otherwise.

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6293194
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I believe there is a learning curve to cages. I messed with a cage and a live chicken for bait 25-30 years ago. snow on the ground. cat showed up 4 nights in a row. I pelted that cat by setting a foot trap. cage is still sitting out by my shed where its been ever since


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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Lazarus] #6293198
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I 'll get some popcorn


I'll get the sodas. Diet or regular?
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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6293798
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That cat that leaves a track by a dirthole will get caught in the rub set ...that cat that leaves a track by the rub set will get caught in the “lure optional blocked down walk through” that cat that turns off before committing to the blocked down walk through set will get caught in the hippie cage trap...and the cat that just circles the hippie cage trap will get caught in the flat set with a turd ...and the cat that just pauses by the flat set with a turd will get caught in the cubbie set with Christmas tinsel ...so on and so forth ....but eventually the cat gets caught

.....time and variety are the secret ingredients when it comes to cats

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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6293923
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Best bobcat foot hold set on the planet is seven inches buried dead in front of the corner of a cage trap.
Bobcats cant resist smelling the frame. Well, except in CO. Most of those cats just walk on bye with out skipping a stride.

Hey Laz - how long is the list of lure ingredients that can cause a cat to rub? Pretty long eh?
Since lure makers don't tell you whats all in them you might not know if what your using could cause a rub? Sure some are called out as "rub lure" but others aren't. Take one of the best lures out there - Pacific Call. At least three things in there proven to promote rubbing.

ML

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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294018
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Good entertainment,

Mercer, you posted well. Only a polished, "deadly" cat nabber remains humble. The more you catch, the more you realize how many you missed. I never worry to much about the boy who posts they are the bestest in the westest, bar no one. They catch a few. Humble is king in the land of the great ones.

I get the "you have a boat load of cats or coyotes in your area" comments all the time and sometimes I agree, but did you ever notice that the more critters you catch the harder the rest of the critters become to catch (survival instincts) or do you as a trapper think that all animals are dumb. If you've trapped cats year after year in the same ground, and you're pretty good at it, are there more in year 5 than day one? If you're "great", should be "fewer... by far", correct? So the solid trappers have fewer kitties year after year on ground they hammer. Food for thought.

I had a solid year.


...And I missed a boat load (not sure how many that is).

And I catch very, very, very, very few in rubs sets cause cats are weird at them and act funny and I like sets where I get "more" not "less" results.

Carry on captain!

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Savell] #6294044
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Originally Posted By: Savell
That cat that leaves a track by a dirthole will get caught in the rub set ...that cat that leaves a track by the rub set will get caught in the “lure optional blocked down walk through” that cat that turns off before committing to the blocked down walk through set will get caught in the hippie cage trap...and the cat that just circles the hippie cage trap will get caught in the flat set with a turd ...and the cat that just pauses by the flat set with a turd will get caught in the cubbie set with Christmas tinsel ...so on and so forth ....but eventually the cat gets caught

.....time and variety are the secret ingredients when it comes to cats

....wish I had more time lol




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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294090
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I will say this it's amazing just how good a bobcat nose is.


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Quote:
...it's amazing just how good a bobcat nose is.


x2

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294183
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With all the cat folks on this thread, I'd like to know where to build this fool proof walk-through set; given that there is several sections of pretty much identical forested hills and hollows and that almost every 40A includes at least one hill and one hollow or part of one, not many identifiable game trails but most of the ridges and most of the hollows have two tracks; what do you look for as the ideal spot for such a set??

Will the cats always follow the two tracks?

Can you just set in the same place you'd set for fox or coyote, but instead of using lure just fence in a small area with no lure and let the fence attract the cat?

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294223
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All good posts.... Something I learned about them thar kitties is I ain't never learned it all.... even if I think I did!!! I always get taught a new lesson every now and then. Course if I wasn't out there trying, I'd never learn nothing!! Mr June made some pretty correct statements. Also a lite snow will show a fella just how bad (or good) a trapper he really is. Besides if ya caught them all this year, what would a guy trap next year??


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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294234
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Very well put neb.cat, I don't want to catch all in my area. Gotta leave some seed. Plus way get that worked up after them with a coyote market like we got. Just my 2 cents.

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294244
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I can’t catch crap with Pacific Call.

I must use it wrong.

Gimme some good fox or coyote gland lure any day.

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Around this area the Cats Love wondering the Creek bottoms. My favorite thing to do after a fresh skiff of snow is go tracking. Find those natural choked down travel spots and show them where to step. If I was using rub lure I would incorporate it in such an area.

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294279
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Boone Liane, are you using it as a rub?
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At least three things in there proven to promote rubbing.

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294294
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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294297
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Geepers! Why everyone got their shorts in a bind?
Maybe some cheek rub sets Don't work well due to the lure you use.
Trapping coyotes I would try to set up blind sets sometimes, usually cheek rub sets in every Boulder pile and Rocky ridge walls, I got app half my cats in cheek rub sets and other half in coyote lured coyote sets

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294304
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The whole idea behind using a rub lure to catch bobcats, was invented by trappers who did not know how to properly guide a bobcat's foot at a set.


Cleve, please name those inventors, or were you just assuming the origin. Many respected lure makers offer a rub lure.

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Lol this is funny

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Well where waiting

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Just when u think ur done with the popcorn u have to go make another bag...

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Oh my. Maybe we got another trapping school that is about to start up. LOL

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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Yes sir] #6294333
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Originally Posted By: Yes sir
Just when u think ur done with the popcorn u have to go make another bag...


Seth, you better warm up the stove, a microwave bag ain't gonna get her done! grin

I agree Doug, Think I'll make some too!


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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294339
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well...

Mr. June posted a pic of his bobcat catch last year.

where's Cleve's pic?

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OK I can't figure it out. A little help?

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294369
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Sure thing buddy.

First resize the pic on your computer to something like 600X 800 or 640X 480.

Then when making your post click on the fifth square from the right above the box where your typing in. Look for the blue arrow.

Follow the instructions from there.

ML

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Thanks?

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294376
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Ok I'm going to give my reason for using that type of a set a lot .
1 I have tree everywhere growing anywhere 6" to a foot a part. Put in line travel of a cat in combination of a couple of lures, rub other wise, urine if wanted.
2nd reason( shelter) lots of snow here getting foot dump at a time more each day for days on end calls for the next reason.
Big trap 3or 4 size trap to reach thru a lot of snow after snowfall.
Not for catch cat but to fight deep snow.
On snowfalls I look at it like you stick a 1or2" block on the pan.
3.all I am concerned about is cat in the trap. When I get there.
4 .there are other set and do use them but deeper the snow , more that type of set produces using the cats natural habit of walking in the least amount of snow possible.
Hope it helps.

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I'm having a hard time. Is there anybody out there that I could just email these pictures too, and then they could post them for me?

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294384
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Isn't it funny how trails disappear when snow falls.

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Red I think I would quit if I had to deal with that white stuff.

Shot 72 today and won some money. Anyone else play golf?

ML

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Yes it is furvor,
I like dry cold winters but these past 4 yrs could called anything but lol.


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Merc 72 that ain't bad for old killer.
I tried golf couple times to much baseball in me .


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Originally Posted By: Mercer Lawing
Red I think I would quit if I had to deal with that white stuff.

Shot 72 today and won some money. Anyone else play golf?

ML

I play but you're out of my league if you're shooting a 72. Good job Mercer!
Now back to bobcat trapping....

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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294432
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nice pics, Cleve.

Looks to me like you and Mr. June are right in the same ballpark, as far as cat catches go.

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now do yas beCleve him. whistle

Lmfao

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Originally Posted By: pcr2
now do yas beCleve him. whistle

Lmfao


LOL!!


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293 is one heck of a catch BTW.
Last season I caught 3 haha

Sorry about the meme, I had to.

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Originally Posted By: Ken Smith
293 is one heck of a catch BTW.


if I read his post right, that was over three years.

still, great trapping.


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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: white marlin] #6294453
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Nice catch Cleve

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294463
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Ya I thought that was funny too.
Calling me names and making fun of trapping in CA with cages like it was easy because of high population and then tell us he traps in TX.

Funny.

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294466
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On private ranches - even funnier.

Big catches aren't what makes a great trapper anyways. How many of the available critters do you catch and how quickly did you do it. That's the measure.

ML

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294474
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Id put up the 10 grand,and I do have it,and then some.I love a real challenge.

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Originally Posted By: Mercer Lawing
On private ranches - even funnier.

Big catches aren't what makes a great trapper anyways. How many of the available critters do you catch and how quickly did you do it. That's the measure.

ML


Well said Mercer. Well said. And if a trapper is doing his or her job, year after year the bobcat catch will go down each year. The object is to thin them out HARD!

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294487
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I'm in - but everybody has to use cages!

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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294489
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Phil vs. The Cleve-Man....

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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294490
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And I thought he was trapping in Kansas, I have a friend who did 100 cats in two weeks in Texas. Ffs


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Sign up boys. Talks cheap.

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You guys are all amateurs,I read some guy on the blue site caught 100 cats in a week,lol.


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Sign up boys. Talks cheap.

Send the paper with the rules,and I will sign.

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294514
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Get em’ Phil. I’d pay to be a spectator


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Get em’ Phil. I’d pay to be a spectator


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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294528
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whistle whistle cool

Heck, they mainly pay me to kill coyotes anyway grin wink

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294542
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I'm betting on Phil, for the win.

odds?

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I always shake my head and say, "huh" when trappers aren't cordial to other trappers in a fraternal sort of way. Especially here on the net where comments live on (sometimes).
"Huh"
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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294558
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This would be the single greatest thing to happen in the fur industry this year. Trapping and fur buying is so freezing boring these days. How bought a 72 hour Iowa coon road trapping challenge. I seriously can’t even get excited about anything to do with fur


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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: white marlin] #6294580
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Originally Posted By: white marlin
I'm betting on Phil, for the win.

odds?


Wait, who's all in? Isn't Mercer in too?


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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294586
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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294593
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Don’t ban him Paul, we are all big boys. It’s the most interesting thing to happen in the fur world in half a decade


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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294595
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Civility is something I expect and demand.



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He. Hasn’t said anything that Mercer, Phil or mark can’t take. He is obviously an accomplished trapper who is proud of his accomplishments. Maybe he doesn’t know know the above mentioned names as industry standards. Cut him some slack. He might be in to something, trapping competitions might be the only interesting thing left in the fur world.


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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294601
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I saw Paul had posted and thought he was enter the trap off

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Keep in mind the antis are targeting calling contests. Trying to get them banned in places. A trapping contest would be great especially if the big guns where in but might draw some attention.

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Yes sir] #6294607
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I'm also putting my money on Phil. I was talking with Russ Carmen a while back and he told me Phil is Superman. That's good enough for me. Besides I'm from PA and will root for my home team.


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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: trapperne] #6294609
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Originally Posted By: trapperne
He. Hasn’t said anything that Mercer, Phil or mark can’t take. He is obviously an accomplished trapper who is proud of his accomplishments. Maybe he doesn’t know know the above mentioned names as industry standards. Cut him some slack. He might be in to something, trapping competitions might be the only interesting thing left in the fur world.


NO. We have kids on here and need to set an example. It's not about who can take what, it's about standards.



Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294636
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Dangit, Paul... this was the most exciting post here all year, LOL


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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294718
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Thank you Bossman. Civility amongst us trappers is Job#1. Pride is one thing, but na-na-na-na-nah-nah is another.

Not quite sure what the whole competition thing was about? 10 G's. Really. Must get more for his cats than I do. Or that picture is from 2012 when any cat was worth a bit more.
My ranchers pay me a daily rate so my job is to kill stuff daily. I don't really have time to enter fun contests cause we work sunup to sundown and skin after dark (Mexican beer helps with the pain blush) and any rancher worth his cream-of-wheat wouldn't be crazy about more people running his ranch. I don't even bring guests who want to "ride along".

Bottom line as I read it all - it smelled fishy. Darn fishy. Meant to stir the TMan pot? Why, if you're what you say you are. Rest in the knowledge you're the best there's ever been.

And as I said before, the best are humble. Road miles and misses teach you that.
Maybe it was a troll, or an anti, or a space-invader? But it was all fishy.
Well played by the boss-man.

Besides, I'd bet on Phil too laugh

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294737
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Iwas proud of my PA boy phil. i have the money,send me the papers.all he had to say.i know i'm a homer and Phil might boast a little,but boy you can't deny he can sure getter done.was proud of the other pro's on here too and made it easy to see the apple with the bad spot.









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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294761
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I thought the idea to bragging rights for a cat trapping championship was interesting. I would rather the money went all to FTA but I was hoping that might play out. 1000 bucks worth of cat knowledge would be the result if nothing else


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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294771
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I wonder if anyone on here knows him?

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I didn't see Cleve's cat photo. Was one posted and later deleted?

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294793
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My take was that he has had a few good years recently and thinks he has it all figured out. Because honestly, if there are plenty if cats around their not too tough to catch and when you get a bunch of them you get to feeling pretty confident.
I'm just as impressed by the NV trapper getting 60 in 4 months, CO trapper getting 40 WY guy getting 30 as a TX guy with 100. Pretty good list of them guys out there.
And betting against Phil would be a fools bet. Unless...AZ with cage traps...

ML

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294809
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Besides he was way behind in the barn pic portion of the competition anyways.







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After a little detective work I have a sister that knows of him. Long story short, lives off daddy’s oil money. After I explained why I was asked if she knew him and told how he was blowing about catching all these bobcats, she asked if he threw out a challenge involving a bunch of money, I guess that is his routine. She did say that he did trap a lot. She also mentioned he has done some shady things and burnt a bridge or two also.


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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294956
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No wonder there are fewer bobcats than people left in this country.

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6294983
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Im not much of a cat trapper yet,I'm still learning,no joke,but I can catch some.this is 30 days worth

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Some great pics of a pile of cats. Congrats to ya'll.

Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6295043
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Ya looks like a real amateur there Phil.

I recognize that sand.

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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6295051
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So he actually posted pics of a catch and it got taken down? There must have been some rhetoric to go along with the pic?

How do I always miss out on the excitement? I never opened this thread until yesterday and then when I check back today.... lawdy mercy.


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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6295054
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Shane,His pics indicated around 100 cats stated caught in a 40 day season,I believe he said and another pic of a couple freezers full of cat pelts around 300 in three similar length seasons.


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Originally Posted By: Boco
Shane,His pics indicated around 100 cats stated caught in a 40 day season,I believe he said and another pic of a couple freezers full of cat pelts around 300 in three similar length seasons.


Well he seems to be a decent cat trapper then. Not such a nice guy though I suppose. I saw where he tore into Mercer and Mark yesterday. I am not surprised very often by things I see people say on here anymore but he made my jaw drop when he said that cage trapping cats was easier than foot trapping them.


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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6295086
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if not for his mindset,he would of been patted on the back like the rest.









Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6295094
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I was surprised he lasted as long as he did on here the way he was carrying on.
Boss don't like that stuff, Reminded me of the Bob Small cage trap thread battles back in the day. Makes me write stuff I'm not all that proud of sometimes.

Ya C cat I miss the old man as well. Especially when I cook up something good in the kitchen. Always used to call him and have him come over to try it. Or when I have a good day on the golf course. Used to call him and brag about.

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Re: Bobcat foot placement at rub post? [Re: Furvor] #6295099
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i didn't think we were allowed to use the b-word. laugh









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No "W" in that name...

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Originally Posted By: Mercer Lawing
I was surprised he lasted as long as he did on here the way he was carrying on.
Boss don't like that stuff, Reminded me of the Bob Small cage trap thread battles back in the day. Makes me write stuff I'm not all that proud of sometimes.

Ya C cat I miss the old man as well. Especially when I cook up something good in the kitchen. Always used to call him and have him come over to try it. Or when I have a good day on the golf course. Used to call him and brag about.

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Those were some good days though. The cage guys just getting rolling, we've come a long ways since then. Glad I was along for the ride!!

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you western guys realize pics like those are mean to us eastern fellas don't ya???keep em coming.









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you western guys realize pics like those are mean to us eastern fellas don't ya???keep em coming.


Yea no kidding. Those pics have my jaw dropping and eyes bulging.


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these were caught here in ks


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Seriously with regard to the original topic - "foot placement at a rub post"

You nail a piece of whatever (for visual attraction and lure holder) to a tree trunk or whatever, 12 - 20 inches off the ground, and either build some fencing parallel about a foot away to turn it into a walk thru or build a V shaped fence funneling them straight into it or more of a flat set with rocks, sticks whatever for stepping guides. Then add lure to the attractor and if the jar says "rub" on it it's a rub set and if it doesn't say "rub" on it it's just another bobcat set.

Either way the cat is going to approach and first sniff it with his nose. If you guided him sufficiently he is yours. If you missed him and he likes your offering then you catch him while he's trying to rub?

So - since your heavily guiding him does trap placement really matter beyond setting too close? Anywhere from 8" to two feet would work depending on the slope of the ground at the base of the post and the lean of the post. Might need to be minimum 10".

The cats that leave foot prints at the corners of my cage traps as they sniff up and down the frame ( way too many to want to talk about) leave 2-4 prints 7-9 inches from the corner.

Am I close on the rub post deal?

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Cats are new to me as far as trying to catch them. I have to think if the scent they want to rub on if on a movable object like a bent over corn stalk would make them shuffle around. I may be all wet on that but makes sense to me.


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I saw a video a few years ago, first time trapper asking the same question had three cats (or same cat three occasions?)approach his post and each time regardless of which way they came from they all put the leading foot in what looked to be the same exact spot, I'm guessing 8-9" straight out. There was a smooth place there and that may have been the key? That video is all I know about a post rub. his rub patch looked like more than 20" up the cats raised their heads, I guessed 30", but it was a video.

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Danny, I drove through Williamsburg a few times (about 15 years ago). It looks like a very nice town.
Back in the mid 1950's I spent 1-1/2 years at K-State in Manhattan after being discharged from the Air Force at Topeka. That's a good catch of cats.


Almost in my back yard Furvor. You wouldn't believe what the town looks like now.

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Mercer,

Them's some VERY nice pics my fellow cats nabber. VERY nice! You do realize of course that the moment you post a nice photo on a forum, the wheels of justice begin to turn and the judge and jury bring back a verdict of;

"He lives and traps where there are a lot of bobcats!"
"Guilty, your honor" .... of easy trapping and blue bird love, peace, and karma places. "Anybody could do it given the chance."
"How does the defendant plea?"
"Yes, internet your-honor, It happened by mistake as I couldn't keep the critters outta my sets. I even tried but they were too thick.... they kept coming!"

I must not trap Texas were other folks trap Texas. I ALWAYS follow three earlier layers of trappers shown below prior to me hitting them with a daily charge. A daily charge is different you see than a "price per animal". It's more. Maybe not always the first year, but how many critters you think are left year three and you want to work per animal? Or how about the day you set the traps... you working per animal that day? How much are you getting paid? Zippo. That's a good gig.

#1 The ranch hands. (I get to cut snares from all the holes and see traps set all over).
#2 The government guys/gals. (they work hard for sure)
#3 The trapper from somewhere else who charges. (Many different flavors here).

All my TX ranches are this same format, no exceptions. The cream is vamoose (Spanish for long gone) or no mas (Spanish for no more).
Wish I had virgin ground but folks paying a certain level ALWAYS try cheaper first. I would too (maybe).

Anyway, I'd still bet on Phil.

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Thanks Mercer. I have tried Sierra Mist at 5 or 6 sets with no results. There aren't many cats around here and I probably was not on location. Actually, I catch more than half my cats in snares. I had visualized a bobcat rubbing back and forth against a post like a house rubs against his owner's leg. But then saw a house cat keep its feet in one place while lightly rubbing its cheek on a mixture of gland lure with a touch of silver vine. That's what prompted me to start this thread.

tbn and Danny, I made a mistake in that post. I said Williamsburg when I was thinking of Phillipsburg. I was getting school buses from a factory in Hutchinson KS and driving them to Portland Oregon. I deleted the post before I saw your reply.

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On your last post I must first say your exactly right. But for the sake of argument let's say ever " scenario" you just threw out there ( the top half) was spot on corect. I guess all of those folks could move there whole operation and life to all those magical places were the cats give there self up! You forgot about that lol cause if all them nay sayers are as good as they think. Well it shouldn't be hard for them to make a living on them high doller easy too catch cats wright?
But too be fair that's every body's enetial reaction, and as you stated earlier high density makes the FIRST animals easier but when you add just a little pressure thangs change quick!

Post script: please don't read this wrong I'm on your side!

This has been a great thread bar the excitment at the beginning. Around here I've always been afraid to catch my limit. Are density is so low id be scared I wouldn't have non the next yr. Thanks guys for all the good insite. For what it's worth I've never done eny good with rub sets possibly for the reasons all ready mentioned. Big flashy dirtholes and blind sets for me. And I defiantly miss some!!

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rub sets work best when you make a blind set then add the "rub". that's true for every other set also but with rub cat needs to get pretty close to get interested. Like a couple feet max. build fence guide heavy. use whatever is handy. cat sets take a little more time. we have all caught them as incidentals in a dirt hole or flat set for coyotes or fox and we have all seen missed cats at those sets from too many options for foot placement. I look for naturally necked down cat spots then start blocking and guiding.


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Your right about building blind then adding the attractor. I've always found if I ant set close enuff on location the attractor didn't matter to much. That's why I blind set mostly. Too me the cats are the mink of the predator world miss that one little thang and they'll rub your nose in it! Thanks for the insight!
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each area of our country will be different with terrain,temps,competition and a bunch of other stuff that makes cats odder than other critters.here if i needed a cat fast i'd be using my dogs,take them out west outta the beaver ponds and small woodlots we have here and their way of hunting would be useless.same with trapping i think.not as much the sets,but the locations.









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I never trapped east but locations here in ks and locations in the rocky's and location in the desert really aint that different.

in the desert sandy draws can be good and here in ks a snare over a small frozen creek are good. an old shed with packrats under the floor in ks is just as good as a rock bluff with pack rat nests in wy.


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danny,hopefully somebody that has trapped east and west will chime back in.i'd be interested to hear their experiences.









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Never trapped west but in my area limited on cats as it is. High rocky bluffs are the mane deal. At the base the mid level and top, they also travel in the hollers that would be drawls out west. The edges of thick cedar brair ridges and along the creeks and they run crossing logs when there's water under them all good places to start here. I've also noticed if there is a long open exspance they will follow what ever cover there is from one side too the other I know that sounds like duh. But lots of folks don't get that around here! They just thanks cats never cross it!!!???
Oh and around here it's more efficient on cats too kinda find and trap them on a case by case basis. Kinda like deer hunting. I have narrowed them down too a 3 day widow of when there due through and caught them in that window before . We don't have a bunch so by doing this I don't need a ton of traps out to catch my cats and I'm only allowed 5 enyhow! Again that's only one state in about 4 county's for me on cats!
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ive seen here in ks where cats will cross a field of winter wheat. for those that don't know winter wheat in jan looks like real short (1-2 maybe 3 inch's tall) grass. a big tom will cross whenever he feels like it. females and y.o.y. like no moon or cloudy nights. if there is a two track or a terrace or a dry waterway cats will use them just like a coyote. don't misunderstand its not a regular behavior but they do it time to time. caught too many setting those locations for coyotes to think otherwise. if there is a hedgerow, tall weed lined ditch, or some other cover that's the spot for cats. they will (occasionally) cross open ground too, though for reasons known only to cats


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during freeze up here they run the ice on every stream,large or small.beaver swamps and thick riverbottom is tops here but about the time you think you have it one will cross a wide open forested ridge.









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Redsleeves,

I've trapped bobcats in the east (GA, AL, SC) and in the "sorta" west (NE, WY), in the north (Michigan) and in the south (TX, NM) and there are variables to be sure. Mainly the weather. Sets must be kept working for periods of time depending on densities and each state has it's own "fun".
I'd say the heartland states are the most challenging. There's a reason the Comanches were the arguably the greatest Indian nation and the last great nation for the Americanos to bring to bear . They lived in the inhospitable region of the country where weather made it incredibly difficult going after them. Squalls and blizzards and monster winds! Eastern CO to OK, KS to northern TX. Everything that hits this area is a nasty old front. This is what is very HARD on cat traps. Especially blizzards which occur about as often as I set out cat traps. Makes you grit your teeth into the howling wind.

I've found rub sets work better where the weather is easier. You get blizzards happening and cats are after certain things and it's not rubbing body parts.

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I believe your spot on. That's why I have little to no success with mink in pockets they ant as hungry so they don't run in as hard as they can to eat fish in a hole. When they can eat fresh anytime they want, only a couple weeks really bad weather at a time instead of a couple mounths. Defiantly deferance' s when you trap more than one environment and one population.
Again hope you don't thank I'm trying to argue with you I have the utmost respect for you and owe a lot to you, I use to run a k9 longlime pre marriage and your lure was always a BIG help, also talked too you a couple times about some stuff and your first video changed a lot of what I did for the better. Thank you so much for your contributions!
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Dan C said 'that's true for every other set also"
"make a blind set then add the "rub". that's true for every other set also"

Truth right there folks. Blind sets work.
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I trapped cats in the East for maybe 15 years.They are the same animal for all practical purposes though the terrain is different and their prey may be different than here.

They still like cover,hugging rock structure,going under rock overhangs and visiting prominent landscape features.

I believe if you have a system that regularly catches cats,you can adapt it to other regions.

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When I trapped bobcats in southern Arizona sandy washes, dry rocky stream beds, narrow ridges, and old roads were most effective for me. In the Colorado front range, ridges leading down from higher areas seemed to be the best funnels. In east Idaho desert sage brush I find no sandy washes or ridges leading down. I do find trails through sage brush, most of which disappear when snow flies. Shallow ditches or ravines are fairly consistent travel ways but not the only ones.

With soft snow on the ground backtracking a trapped cat can be revealing. During mating season, or on the way to a hunting area, tracks may be in a pretty straight line.

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I remember a rub set on a cedar, in a narrow draw in wy, twice, I think two years in a row or 2 of3 trips, I caught a big male coyote in that cat set the day I pulled my traps to leave, the set ended up being the last one to pull to end my trip.
These big males survived year round coyote control, and 2+ weeks of me trapping there.
They fell for the cat lures, sticks where on the ground to guide cat feet
If you use same stuff every year, helps to give any survivors something new to sniff

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there are quite a few baits and lures that catch whatever finds then first. those are the ones I like


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Colt,
No punches landed here... I'm good with what you overview.
Glad I could help along the way. My trapping continues to evolve as factors in this biz evolve. Trapping is a learn as you go proposition.

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Tjm: you asked a very good question. Where can you place the walk through set and you described your area in MO.

The answer is everywhere. I misconception is that it has to be on a game trail or that perfect pinch point at the corner of a rockpike. But you can make it anywhere that you can find brush and rocks to make the blocking or fence. If no brush there carry it in. The debris itself is a big attraction. It look mousy and since it wasn’t there yesterday the curious bobcat has to take a close look. And then he goes home with you.

Seriously you can make this set anywhere and it is great everywhere. You could drop
one in the middle of an empty pasture and catch cats. Better yet put it on the edge at the fence line and hang a visual twirling thing nearby but you get my point.

Rub sets are for experimenting. Walkthroughs are the deal.

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I hope nobody has a rule we have to all agree

I like a walkthrough because cats don't like to back up

I don't think a visual attracter will get one to go more than about 10 feet to have a look


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