Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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Brandishing a firearm is a felony in most states, if you use the excuse that you fear for your life to pull a gun out, then don't shoot, it follows that you are not truly in fear of your life. No fear=no excuse to draw, eh? So either he is justified in shooting or he is not justified in displaying the gun. The same applies for any of you in the same circumstance.
Who ever mentioned that cops often brandish their weapons must know that cops are largely above the laws that apply to the rest of mankind. This is just crazy rationale across the board.....crazy. Not to mention brandishing is a misdemeanor in any place I've seen. You are mistaking preparing yourself in defensive position with firing warning shots past somebody's head. Perpetuating legal untruths is dangerous and could influence some other person to shoot in a situation when they don't have the right.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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Under Florida law, the shooter could have been charged with simple assault on the woman and child for just threatening them by verbally abusing them and raising his hand. http://www.husseinandwebber.com/crimes/violent-crimes/simple-assault I fail to see how the shooter is justified in any way for shooting the man who defended the woman and child from the shooter's crime Keith Man you should work for the CIA or FBI if you can tell what the old guys was saying. VERBALLY ABUSING? how do you know what he said?
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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The shooter was the aggressor against a woman and a young kid. I to would of came out and confront him. He should be charged for murder.
We as carriers need to carry a strong line on everyone that carries. Him carrying gave him some feeling of power to go around and call people out. REALLY ? Aggressor? Didn't see any laws being broken by talking to someone. As for confronting him would your first contact be knocking him 20 feet across the parking lot. The old guy didn't even turn to him before he was drilled and knocked down. He had no clue the man was coming at him.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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OK let me get this straight for you guys that say the old guy was wrong. You are in bed , someone kicks your door in and is coming in your house toward you. But as soon as he sees your gun he turns . Raise your hand if you wouldn't shoot. Now remember you have a hand gun pointed at him as he turns. But you don't shoot !!!!!
Yea right. Completely different circumstances. Someone coming into your home in the middle of the night is completely different than what happened here. Apples and oranges my friend, apples and oranges.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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Brandishing a firearm is a felony in most states, if you use the excuse that you fear for your life to pull a gun out, then don't shoot, it follows that you are not truly in fear of your life. No fear=no excuse to draw, eh? So either he is justified in shooting or he is not justified in displaying the gun. The same applies for any of you in the same circumstance.
Who ever mentioned that cops often brandish their weapons must know that cops are largely above the laws that apply to the rest of mankind. The man who was assaulted was right to draw his weapon. As soon as he did, the situation immediately deescalated as it often does due to the mere presence of a weapon. At that point the immediate threat was over, the attacker was backing away and turning away. The shooter was not justified in pulling the trigger.
Eh...wot?
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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This is Markeis McGlockton's (the man that was shot and killed) rapsheet just for the past 9 years. {Aggravated Domestic Battery, 2 Counts of Assault and Battery, Robbery, Resisting Arrest with Violence, Disorderly Conduct, Grand Theft, Petty Theft, Burglary, Possession of Stolen Property, 3 Counts of Possession of Cocaine, Sale or Delivery of Cocaine, Possession of Marijuana with the Intent to Distribute, Sale of Counterfeit Drugs, Driving an Unregistered Vehicle, Driving on a Suspected License. Thank YOU
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Physically assault the right person and you end up dead just like in the video. Don't mess with grandpa's They will shoot you. I'm one and WAY too old to take a butt whooping.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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Man you should work for the CIA or FBI if you can tell what the old guys was saying. VERBALLY ABUSING? how do you know what he said? REALLY ? Aggressor? Didn't see any laws being broken by talking to someone. Maybe you should work for the CIA or FBI since you seem to be able to tell that he was merely talking and not verbally abusing and/or threatening.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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I guess what has me scratching my head more than the shooting is how some on here are commenting. 99.9 % want to mouth and belly ache when groups or individuals want to ban or control any type of weapon. " I NEED 50 round clip to DEFEND myself" Or "I NEED A BIG BLACK GUN " to stop an AGGRESSOR . Then some old fart uses his carry gun to STOP an aggressor and you TWO FACED gun toters want to bash him . YOU want to let people carry guns and for what. So they have to wear a tighter belt? Just to have something in their pocket? NO it is to stop some THUG from stomping you into the ground AFTER HE knocks you on your butt in front of the quickie mart. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think the point here was that the old fart wasn't defending himself against an aggressor. The altercation was over. He mouthed off, got put on his butt and then shot a man for it.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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Brandishing a firearm is a felony in most states, if you use the excuse that you fear for your life to pull a gun out, then don't shoot, it follows that you are not truly in fear of your life. No fear=no excuse to draw, eh? So either he is justified in shooting or he is not justified in displaying the gun. The same applies for any of you in the same circumstance.
Who ever mentioned that cops often brandish their weapons must know that cops are largely above the laws that apply to the rest of mankind. The man who was assaulted was right to draw his weapon. As soon as he did, the situation immediately deescalated as it often does due to the mere presence of a weapon. At that point the immediate threat was over, the attacker was backing away and turning away. The shooter was not justified in pulling the trigger. That's my take on it too, Lugnut. (Only from what a person can see in the inaudible clip, anyhow). Overall, it looks like two guys when looking for trouble and found it. Funny how that works.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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I think the point here was that the old fart wasn't defending himself against an aggressor. The altercation was over. He mouthed off, got put on his butt and then shot a man for it. Exactly! By drawing the gun, the "victim" backed off and was turning to walk away. At that point, there was no shot necessary. Now, had the "victim" advanced towards the shooter, I would say it was 100% justified. That did not happen here. Just because you pull a firearm, doesn't mean you have to shoot it. There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of instances every year where just brandishing a firearm stops an attack. The evidence is overwhelming to say the least. At the point were the "victim" backs up and turns away, the shooter's life was no longer in danger. FACT!
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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So jbyrd63, you seem to be indicating that you’re okay with folks who choose to carry guns using excessive force and killing people unnecessarily? I mean, what’s the point of carrying a gun if you don’t use your it once and a while right?
From what I see on the video, this shooting was unjustified. If I choose to call it murder and you choose to call me two-faced for that, I’m okay with it.
Eh...wot?
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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Not sure I agree with your thoughts jbyrd. Audio would for sure clear up some things to go along with the video but we don't have that so reading body language is all we have. Remember were not law enforcement and what we think don't matter or change anything on this case. It's just our opinions to learn from.
What I see is a guy with nothing better to do driving in and while armed acting as the local handicap parking police. Does he have this right? Yes. Does he have the right to carry a firearm? Yes.
But is it smart or recommended to confront people and when challenged to pull a gun out at them? No. We have law enforcement for this. This guy has a history of pulling his gun. Am I as a gun supporter and a carrier going to support his actions just because he has a gun? No way. Does that make me two faced? No I just won't jump on his band wagon when I see negligence on him using his gun.
The shooter was looking for fights and it was just a matter of time before they escalated over his physical abilities and he was making a situation where he needed his gun for defense.
The victim came out and seen what was happening and dealt with it physically which could of been done without assaulting the shooter.
The part we don't need audio on is when the shooter is on the ground pointing his gun and the victim dropped his arms and was backing away. This is when he was shot. This is where the shooter crossed the line and a situation created by his actions went bad.
As a gun owner videos like this hurts all of us. We don't need images of power hungry gun carrying people out there confronting people for misdemeanor offenses.
Don't think this case was just a "challenger " as you put it. But you must get shoved a lot standing in parking lots...
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