I don't know about this one. I think the guy was justified in drawing but not shooting. Although all I have is the video, I don't know what was said. However, the guy that was shot was backing away at the time. In my opinion, from the evidence presented here, this was not a clean shooting. This guy is lucky he is not going to prison for murder.

There are an awful lot of people walking around that are stupid and/or cannot think well under stress.

Yea, i saw that on the news and was kinda surprised they didn't press charges. But, like you said, without knowing the whole story, it's hard to know the deal.

Well, the entire shooting could have been avoided from the get go and even a few times after that. I think the shooter takes the blame for the entire incident even happening. If he was that worried about someone parked in a handicap spot, he should have called or flagged down a cop. When you are armed, you want to avoid confrontation not initiate it. I don't like to blame the shooter but from what is seen here, wrong is wrong.

That's what I see too from what we can see.

What makes the guy think it's ok to take it upon himself to tell other people what to do? Too bad the guy that came out of the store didn't just knock him out instead of being nice and just shoving him away. If he was using the language and shouting at the lady and 5 year old kid in the car in the way it appears on the video.

I bet the civil case doesn't go his way.

You say justified to draw, if that is so, the shot should have been instantaneous and justified as well.

I think this is the one that has them in a tizzy down in Florida about the stand your ground law.

Why is this your opinion? On T.V I see people draw their weapon and not shoot. It's usually followed by, "get the ground and don't move, you're under arrest."

The shooting looks like murder to me. The victim was shot when he no longer appears to be acting aggressively, plus the shooter is the instigator of the conflict. The argument could be made that the man, who is killed, is coming to the defense of another, when he shoves the aggressive acting shooter. I hope the prosecutor changes his mind and charges the shooter with murder. I hope the shooter is found guilty and executed.

Keith

What makes you think there will be a civil case? All states are different, here if the shooting was ruled justified then no civil liability charges can be filed. As far as being nice and just shoving him to the asphalt remember the deceased first used physical violence in what was a verbal argument. I don't think you can find legal justification for his action, also check out his rap sheet, not dealing with an angel here, no matter how the media wants you to believe that. For all we know that guy could have told him he was going to curb stomp him while he was down. It was ruled justified shooting and that's good enough for me. That being said I think 3 stupid people met that day.

All I heard was the sheriff decided not to charge him. Maybe you have more information on it than that? I'd say it's wide open for the surviving victims of the shooting to sue the guy, but I'm no lawyer, just guessing based on the little info I have from the video. Also you can't shoot people just because they may be bad people, so his rap sheet should not come into pay here.

A state attorney decides charges or not, not the sheriff.

I disagree. Drawing the weapon was, at least by the video, enough to stop this attack and make the guy retreat. Brandishing a firearm often has this effect. Many people have been saved by simply showing the firearm.

There are two parts to the argument taking place. 1) the guy had no business confronting the woman about her parking. 2) He shot the male in the above scenario.

I don't agree with the first argument. We are all responsible for policing the actions of each other - to a point. A simple friendly reminder of " Hey you are in a handicapped spot, someone else may need" would be fine. Verbally assaulting her over it isn't. I've asked a number of folks who were parked in fire lanes (on top of the words no less) if they were with the fire department. It's a pet peeve of mine to see people who feel entitled enough to park where they choose.

The second half, it as a bad shoot. The white male, wasn't in immediate danger anymore. He was on the ground with several steps between them. The Black male was defending the woman, by standing up to this guy. His intent - to me - was clear. Back off. It wasn't to kill or maim. It was to get him off her. To me, it's not an iffy shoot. The white male was out of line in his use of a weapon.

The shooter was the aggressor against a woman and a young kid. I to would of came out and confront him. He should be charged for murder.

We as carriers need to carry a strong line on everyone that carries. Him carrying gave him some feeling of power to go around and call people out.

If the guy getting pushed would have cracked his skull and died I will guarantee the pusher would have got it for manslaughter. The pusher was guilty of assault, you can't put your hands on anyone anymore.

Under Florida law, the shooter could have been charged with simple assault on the woman and child for just threatening them by verbally abusing them and raising his hand.

http://www.husseinandwebber.com/crimes/violent-crimes/simple-assault

I fail to see how the shooter is justified in any way for shooting the man who defended the woman and child from the shooter's crime

Keith

I got my information from the video posted. "Sheriff decided not to press charges." - Most likely you're right though, he does what he's told.

The old guy was being a knucklehead. I don't know Florida law, but here you can park in a handicap spot(with tag or placard displayed) if the one handicapped is getting out of the vehicle. How did the old man know that lady wasn't waiting for a handicapped person that went in the store? Maybe the placard was not displayed because they forgot. If someone started chewing me out back when my Bride was somewhat mobile and she was in the store as I waited in the blue lined space, there would have been a problem. The guy that got shot was also acting the knucklehead by knocking the old guy to the ground. He could have just told the old dude to pound sand. I agree with K52, some stupid people crossed paths. Bummer it got one of them dead.

This, don't even know why the sheriff made an announcement....out of his lane. The DA for that county must be neutered or something. Regardless of justification, the DA should have come out and stated a decision would be made after proper investigation. Which typically takes more than a half day in something like this.

That's just horrible to watch. Without knowing what was being said it just seems like a lot of regrettable action by both guys involved but for sure if you carry a gun you have a higher responsibility to avoid confrontation.

don't have much use for people who take a handicap spot away from somebody that needs it

the guy that did the shoving was backing off when he saw the gun.

another case of two bone heads meeting each other

pretty sure the guy that did the shooting threatened to shoot someone else at the same place a few weeks prior, maybe he should have had his firearms taken away before he murdered someone?

Jessie and Al will be along shortly

Where did you hear that?

This is one of the very few times where maybe they should get involved.

Keith

...been widely reported though I have not seen and official source.

The sheriff that did not charge talked about the other incident and how it could not be a factor in the decision to not charge him with murder.

I think he threatened to shoot someone for parking in the handicapped spot if my memory is correct.

Sounds like this guy since he was carrying was taking it upon himself to be the law on handicap parking.

He should be charged.

Maybe everyone else would be better off if this guy was not allowed firearms?

Unverified:



This is Markeis McGlockton's (the man that was shot and killed) rapsheet just for the past 9 years. {Aggravated Domestic Battery, 2 Counts of Assault and Battery, Robbery, Resisting Arrest with Violence, Disorderly Conduct, Grand Theft, Petty Theft, Burglary, Possession of Stolen Property, 3 Counts of Possession of Cocaine, Sale or Delivery of Cocaine, Possession of Marijuana with the Intent to Distribute, Sale of Counterfeit Drugs, Driving an Unregistered Vehicle, Driving on a Suspected License.

I wonder what the deal is with his preoccupation about handicap spots? Seems like a strange thing to get all fruit loops over. I think this guy and incident need another look by the DA. He is giving other CCW people a bad name for sure.

Several have stated the victim that was shot was defending the person or the persons in the car or said the shooter was assaulting the people in the car. I didn't see the shooter assualt anyone in the car therefore the man that got shot couldn't have been justifiably defending anyone when he assualt the the guy that ended up doing the shooting. Do I agree with the shooting? Absolutely not. To guys acted stupidly out of anger and one guy died because of it. When you use physical violence upon another person most times they other person is going to get mad. Both guys acted irresponsible here. Under law was the shooting legal? I don't know the laws under which it happened so I can't say. Again I completely don't agree with the shooting based off the video information.

If that rap sheet is correct I can see why the sheriff was ok with getting rid of him. But still not justified.

I wonder what the shooters background work was?

No doubt in my mind that the guy who was killed was a scumbag. I'm not surprised by his rap sheet and I'll bet dollars to doughnuts it's accurate. You can tell just by his aggressive action when he came out of the store. A normal well adjusted individual would not act that way. Still doesn't justify this particular shooting though.

I'm not so sure. If I came out of the store (especially if my wife had called me for help, as is suspected here) and some guy is yelling at her and my kid in an (apparently) abusive manner, he may just find himself on his butt on the ground too.

I may of acted same way but that would open the door to more violence and a person needs to b smarter than that or risk getting hurt. My opinion is if you use violence against another accept the risk they may react in a violent manner against you.

Personally, if I was coming out of the store and found someone yelling at my wife, I would figure out what was going on first and not start a physical confrontation. It was just an argument, the shooter never laid a hand on her so the victim should have cooled his heels and at least found out what the guys problem was. Now, if the shooter touched anyone, it would be a completely different matter. JMO

I don't know your wife or kid, but I know mine,,, and I KNOW neither of them would do anything to instigate such an attack. Maybe you are more level headed than me.

Of course you don't know what he was saying and in what tone of voice. What if he was shouting profanity, racial slurs, threats, when you can out of the store???

From what I saw the guy pushes the shooter pretty hard and the shooter falls backward onto the pavement. Then the person who did the pushing backs up....was not advancing on the man on the ground.

Big size and age disparity...benefits the pusher.

Older man on the pavement in a very bad position to defend himself if the younger/larger man advances on him.

Woman also gets out of the vehicle as this was happening.

Seems to me the pusher had no intention of doing more...but I can understand the man on the ground feeling threatened/at a disadvantage...he sure does not get up fast at all...almost like he could not get up easily.

I guess if the guy did not push him he would not have been shot?

I guess if the shooter did not decide to verbally enforce the parking laws he would not have been pushed to the ground?

Toss up....

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Physically assault the right person and you end up dead just like in the video.

There might of been some history between these two or indirectly to others that they knew about that caused each to react the way they did.

Under Florida law, the shooter could have been charged with assault. The state of Florida's definition of assault differs from yours. Florida's definition is what matters in this case.

http://www.husseinandwebber.com/crimes/violent-crimes/simple-assault/

Keith

X2 and most times it's NOT justified, so keep that in mind before you assualt someone.

how do you know he intentionally made a threat to her to create fear? Maybe he did but you can't see that in the video.

This is weird one and I guess it's because both of these people acted like idiots. This never had to happen. The guy could have either minded his own beeswax with the lady in the spot of called the police. Then the guy coming out of the store over reacted and was overly aggressive which made the shooter over react by pulling the trigger. Like I said before, I think he had a right to draw but when the victim backed off, that should have ended it. Personally, just by watching the video, I think the guy that was pushed lost his cool and pulled the trigger.

I agree that he probably shot the guy out of anger

Still not really a reason to start a physical confrontation. Words are just words and can be deescalated by simply leaving. When you get physical, you take it to the next level and it's not going to turn out well for you in most cases.

Based on the video only, I agree and I don't see how anyone could see it differently, but obviously they do.

Agreed.... But it would be hard to not shove someone away from family that was treating them in the way it "appears" this guy was.

Agree.
This holier than thou, nosey pos should have minded his own business. He should have taken getting his old, fat arse on the ground as a lesson to mind his own business.
He was harassing the lady in the car with her kid, for no reason.
Then he got pushed down as he should have.

But since he’s stupid, old and has low self esteem and confidence he has to shoot someone???

He should be in jail and paying bubba with .........

In no way was this guys life in danger nor was deadly force warranted.

Had the boyfriend started beating him like Rodney king, fire away.

Starting trouble and writing a check your arse can’t cash isn’t justifiable.

There is is enough evidence in the video to charge him. It's possible that a jury may disagree with the charge. Charging someone with a crime is different then convicting them.

Keith

Huperest
Unless you were there or heard audio of this incident you are making an assumption that he was harassing the lady.

Keith
I disagree. According to the link you posted someone must intentionally make a verbal or physical action with the intent to create fear to be a simple assualt. I don't think pointing a finger and bobbing your head meets those grounds and that's all I could get from the video.

So what do you think he was doing?? Inviting her to church? Maybe commenting on how nice she looked or asking for directions?

Yes, I assume based on his actions, motions and posture he was yelling at, confronting or otherwise harassing whoever was in the car, you assumed it was a lady, even though we aren’t sure. 🙄.

Just don't park in a disabled parking spot unless you have the right.
Lawbreaker right there.

The shooter appears to be intentionally trying to scare the woman into never parking in a handicapped space again, thus intentionally causing fear. I think the assault case would stick, but that would be for a jury or judge to decide, if the shooter waived his right to a trial by jury.


Keith

The old adage two wrongs never made a right.

Brandishing a firearm is a felony in most states, if you use the excuse that you fear for your life to pull a gun out, then don't shoot, it follows that you are not truly in fear of your life. No fear=no excuse to draw, eh?
So either he is justified in shooting or he is not justified in displaying the gun. The same applies for any of you in the same circumstance.

Who ever mentioned that cops often brandish their weapons must know that cops are largely above the laws that apply to the rest of mankind.

This is just crazy rationale across the board.....crazy. Not to mention brandishing is a misdemeanor in any place I've seen. You are mistaking preparing yourself in defensive position with firing warning shots past somebody's head. Perpetuating legal untruths is dangerous and could influence some other person to shoot in a situation when they don't have the right.

Man you should work for the CIA or FBI if you can tell what the old guys was saying. VERBALLY ABUSING? how do you know what he said?

REALLY ? Aggressor? Didn't see any laws being broken by talking to someone. As for confronting him would your first contact be knocking him 20 feet across the parking lot. The old guy didn't even turn to him before he was drilled and knocked down. He had no clue the man was coming at him.

OK let me get this straight for you guys that say the old guy was wrong. You are in bed , someone kicks your door in and is coming in your house toward you. But as soon as he sees your gun he turns . Raise your hand if you wouldn't shoot. Now remember you have a hand gun pointed at him as he turns. But you don't shoot !!!!!

Yea right.

Completely different circumstances. Someone coming into your home in the middle of the night is completely different than what happened here. Apples and oranges my friend, apples and oranges.

The man who was assaulted was right to draw his weapon. As soon as he did, the situation immediately deescalated as it often does due to the mere presence of a weapon. At that point the immediate threat was over, the attacker was backing away and turning away. The shooter was not justified in pulling the trigger.

Thank YOU

Don't mess with grandpa's They will shoot you. I'm one and WAY too old to take a butt whooping.

Maybe you should work for the CIA or FBI since you seem to be able to tell that he was merely talking and not verbally abusing and/or threatening.

I guess what has me scratching my head more than the shooting is how some on here are commenting. 99.9 % want to mouth and belly ache when groups or individuals want to ban or control any type of weapon. " I NEED 50 round clip to DEFEND myself" Or "I NEED A BIG BLACK GUN " to stop an AGGRESSOR . Then some old fart uses his carry gun to STOP an aggressor and you TWO FACED gun toters want to bash him .
YOU want to let people carry guns and for what. So they have to wear a tighter belt? Just to have something in their pocket? NO it is to stop some THUG from stomping you into the ground AFTER HE knocks you on your butt in front of the quickie mart. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lug didn't say I knew what he was saying . But one thing I do know , he certainly didn't touch anyone.
Let me ask you something , when you where growing up did you ever hear the "sticks and stones may break my bones" saying?

I think the point here was that the old fart wasn't defending himself against an aggressor. The altercation was over. He mouthed off, got put on his butt and then shot a man for it.

That's my take on it too, Lugnut. (Only from what a person can see in the inaudible clip, anyhow).

Overall, it looks like two guys when looking for trouble and found it. Funny how that works.

Exactly! By drawing the gun, the "victim" backed off and was turning to walk away. At that point, there was no shot necessary. Now, had the "victim" advanced towards the shooter, I would say it was 100% justified. That did not happen here. Just because you pull a firearm, doesn't mean you have to shoot it. There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of instances every year where just brandishing a firearm stops an attack. The evidence is overwhelming to say the least. At the point were the "victim" backs up and turns away, the shooter's life was no longer in danger. FACT!

Not sure I agree with your thoughts jbyrd. Audio would for sure clear up some things to go along with the video but we don't have that so reading body language is all we have. Remember were not law enforcement and what we think don't matter or change anything on this case. It's just our opinions to learn from.

What I see is a guy with nothing better to do driving in and while armed acting as the local handicap parking police. Does he have this right? Yes. Does he have the right to carry a firearm? Yes.

But is it smart or recommended to confront people and when challenged to pull a gun out at them? No. We have law enforcement for this. This guy has a history of pulling his gun. Am I as a gun supporter and a carrier going to support his actions just because he has a gun? No way. Does that make me two faced? No I just won't jump on his band wagon when I see negligence on him using his gun.

The shooter was looking for fights and it was just a matter of time before they escalated over his physical abilities and he was making a situation where he needed his gun for defense.

The victim came out and seen what was happening and dealt with it physically which could of been done without assaulting the shooter.

The part we don't need audio on is when the shooter is on the ground pointing his gun and the victim dropped his arms and was backing away. This is when he was shot. This is where the shooter crossed the line and a situation created by his actions went bad.

As a gun owner videos like this hurts all of us. We don't need images of power hungry gun carrying people out there confronting people for misdemeanor offenses.

So jbyrd63, you seem to be indicating that you’re okay with folks who choose to carry guns using excessive force and killing people unnecessarily? I mean, what’s the point of carrying a gun if you don’t use your it once and a while right?

From what I see on the video, this shooting was unjustified. If I choose to call it murder and you choose to call me two-faced for that, I’m okay with it.

Well don't guess it "matters" how you see it . DA didn't press charges. Some may "see it" that an AR isn't needed to defend your home. Don't make their point of view right !!!!

just saying.

Well we know one thing,that dude will not be shoving any old guys down anymore. One thing I did notice the guy that got shot had enough strength to get away, he could have just as easily turned around and jumped on the old dude and killed him. We will never know.

Point and ONLY point I am making . Go around knocking old farts down and you just may get shot. Shouldn't be suprised.

But answer me this. The old fart instead of pulling a gun ( the why he felt he needed to defend himself) jumps up and knocks the thug on his back side . BUT the thug is turning away after he sees he has shoved the wrong guy. Would that be assault by the old fart. Because you guys are wanting him charged with assault with a deadly weapon (at the time it happened) then murder as the THUG died. So if he had just got up and beat his arse even tho the thug tried to back away that would have then been assault by old dude !!! He defended himself with what he had. That's how the law looks at it. Just so happen he used a gun .

Don't think this case was just a "challenger " as you put it. But you must get shoved a lot standing in parking lots...

Since when does 40's count as "old fart"?!

I found this article that describes what happened and who these two were. The shooter was only 47yo, hardly a senior citizen. I think the guy had John Wayne syndrome or maybe a cop wannabe that couldn't make the cut? In any event, I'll stick by my decision that he gives CCW holders a bad name.

A motorist who shot and killed a man who shoved him to the ground during a heated row over a handicapped parking space likely won't be charged, police have said.
Michael Drejka, 47, was cleared by police in Thursday's shooting of 28-year-old Markeis McGlockton in Clearwater, Florida, where an argument over proper parking etiquette took a deadly turn.
The shooting 'is within the bookends of stand your ground and within the bookends of force being justified,' Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said at a recorded press conference on Friday.
'I'm not saying I agree with it, but I don't make that call,' the sheriff added.
Surveillance video of the incident shows that McGlockton was riding in a 2016 Chrysler 2000 driven by his girlfriend Britany Jacobs, 25, when she pulled into the parking lot of the Circle-A Food Store at 3.27pm.
Jacobs is seen parking in a handicapped spot on the side of the building, although there are several other spaces free in the parking lot.
McGlockton and his five-year-old son get out of the car and go into the convenience store while his girlfriend Jacobs waits in the driver's seat.
Soon after, Drejka parks in a Toyota 4-Runner and gets out, quickly spotting that the car parked in the handicapped spot does not have a placard or decal.
Drejka begins scolding the driver and gestures toward the other empty spots in the parking lot. Police say the argument became 'heated' but did not involve any threats.
As the drivers remonstrated, a witness entered the store and informed the clerk that there was a disturbance outside, police said.
McGlockton, leaving his son in the store, rushes outside and directly up to Drejka, shoving him hard onto the ground.
Drejka, who has a valid concealed carry permit, pulls out a handgun and fires within seconds of being slammed to the ground, striking McGlockton in the chest.
Police say the men did not exchange words through the entire incident. McGlockton turned and stumbled back inside the store and was soon pronounced dead at an area hospital.
Drejka remained at the scene and placed the gun inside his vehicle before police arrived, cops say. Investigators say he was cooperative and spoke openly with investigators about what had transpired.
McGlockton's girlfriend was devastated when police declined to bring charges against Drejka.
'It's a wrongful death. It's messed up. Markeis is a good man … He was just protecting us, you know?' she told the Tampa Bay Times on Friday. 'And it hurts so bad.'
Florida's self-defense law, like the laws in 26 other states, is known as 'stand your ground', authorizing deadly force in self-defense with no duty to retreat from an attacker. The Florida law stirred controversy in particular when it was successfully invoked in the shooting of Trayvon Martin.
Sheriff Gualtieri said that Drejka appeared to act out of fear for his safety within the bounds of the law, but that the case would be handed over to prosecutors for a final determination.
'I'm a firm believe in the adage just because you can doesn't mean you should,' Gualtieri said. 'But I'll also say this, I'm also not going to substitute my judgement for Drejka's judgement sitting on that ground, after having been slammed to the ground.'
'He made a decision. So it really doesn't matter what I would have done or what anybody else would have done... he's just a citizen, and he felt he had to defend himself.'

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...e-cops-say.html

Sorry if my "two face comment offended anyone. But put yourself in the old guys shoes. Yea he is a grouchy old guy. WE ALL HAVE BEEN THERE. But with out it being your butt laying on your back with some big black thug standing over you don't even start to judge his reaction. KEY word is REACTION !!!!

Can't even have an old fashioned ballywhoo over someone scolding your hen anymore without the weaker soul pulling a pistol. The shooter deserves to be curb stomped, if you believe in karma.

I sincerely hope, for the sake of those who are unfortunate enough to be forced to interact with you, you do not carry a firearm.

OK think about it Life expectentcey is 72. So doesn't that mean 36 is middle aged lol.

Carry one all the time . Have for over 30 years. Never been knocked to the ground. If physically able after hitting said ground would pull my gun. IF I was blind sided by some big black dude in front of the quickie mart. Ok show of hands the people that carry that wouldn't.


ANY ONE?
what I thought.
As for using it NO ONE ABSOLUTLY NO ONE knows what they would do until faced with that scenario.

I think karma showed up. May be it was the black guys turn to meet her..........

Wow.

Well, I posted this video in order to make people stop and think. Hopefully aiding someone at some point to avoid a similar situation. There is a lot to consider when you walk out of your home with a firearm. You must be more aware than normal. You must keep your temper in check. You must be able to access a situation and try to be moves ahead if time is permitting. Carrying a gun does not make you a cop. It does not make you a tough guy. It is for one purpose only, to save your life or the life of others. Often this can be accomplished just by showing it but other times it may be needed to take a life to preserve the innocent. All of this is a huge responsibility and should never be taken lightly. This outcome, one man is dead. Probably not a good man but in this instance, was an assault, that was most likely over, warrant a deadly response? That is debatable as we have been doing. It's good to talk about such things. Regardless of what happened in this instance, I think it's very important to note that if you are ever in a situation where you must use your firearm to take a life, even if totally 100% justified, at that moment and thereafter your life will change. You will never be the same. You could lose everything you have worked for, you may develop PTSD, you may have emotional problems, you could have family problems or problems with your spouse and that's just to name a few. God forbid it's a bad shoot, you will lose everything including your freedom. I say all of this not to scare anyone or to be anti-CCW, I say this to make people think about what a life changing, awesome reasonability carrying a firearm is.

I agree 110 %

The shooter was on a power trip and thinking he was some kind of authority to confront people. Not to mention the coward confronted a woman and child. And no doubt if I got shoved I would put a whipping in return. But I will not shoot someone while there arms are down and walking away. Being a carrier I have self discipline and don't react out of being scared. The shooter created the situation.

We can sit here and scrutinize video and replay it over and over again, but what everyone has failed to realize, or mention at least, is this guy went from standing up having a conversation with someone to on his back on the pavement in a flash. He had no idea what the intentions of whoever put him there was.
He drew his weapon and fired at someone that assaulted him. In that instant, from a compromising position and possibly disoriented, he made a decision that he was under attack. I don't think anyone here could dispute that. Unfortunately for the shooter it did not happen in slow motion and he was not able to replay it over and over again. It looks bad on tape, it really does, but look how violently he was attacked. He was completely taken off guard. Whether he was right to be talking to the lady or if he was verbally abusing her, I don't know because that evidence is not in front of us. I am glad I'm not the one in that position.

You have a point. Luckily for the shooter, this was on tape. Even though most of us on here consider it a "bad shoot", if there was no recording of this event, the shooter very well might have been arrested for murder. It doesn't look there were many witnesses around and it may have come down to a he said, she said. The shooters defense would have been, he shoved me. The words don't quite indicate the severity of the shove.

What I have been trying to say all along ...

Thank you fish

This whole stupid fest would have never happened had the entitlement mentality gal parked legally. Think about that. That's what started this whole chain of ignorance.

This is my belief also. Could easily have been avoided.

I guess when you have 3 kids and are never get married so the government pays for it all...you are entitled to park where you want to, pretty common thing...

If someone says anything about it just assault them....these hood rats that have been in and out of prison will jack you up for looking at them wrong.

Its probably not a good idea to bring a shove to a gunfight.....a well armed society is a polite society.

Right/wrong on the parking is a complete non-issue in the shooting. Somebody parked illegally is rationale to a shooting? Jeez...

Agreed as that's reaching to justify a reason to shoot someone.

What's next? Maybe tabs on your plate expired? Or someone not using a blinker?

The shooter was out looking to confront people on his own authority. He was not physically or mentally prepared to handle the situations he was putting himself or others in.

The shooter didn't mean to shoot the guy.After being violently shoved,his hands were shaking from fright while he was holding the man at bey and the gun accidentally discharged one single round while shaking in fear.
If he was shooting on purpose he would have emptied his clip into the bully criminal.

I disagree. He simply got himself in a situation that he was not mentally prepared for going around acting like authority.

He should stay home and take up computer golf.

Accidental stand your ground shooting-Guaranteed Acquittal.Thats why no wasted taxdollars on prosecution.

Very good point. Florida laws are very open the way it sounds.

I do like the narrative the guy did in the video. He kept neutral and gave both sides a factor. This video will probably become a teaching lesson in carrying class.

Please explain how stand your ground is even an actual factor in this case. Or are you just trolling?

With regard to basic self defense, wouldn't one need to either 1) been suffering a felony assault, or 2) been at least threatened with a deadly weapon, before they have a reasonable fear for their life?

Can you articulate either of those factors as it pertains to this case Boco? No weapon, no felony assault = bad shoot.

then he should have his right to have firearms taken away, since he obviously isn't mentally capable of it. He also has no gun safety, or trigger awareness.

nothing about that was accidental. you can see that when he draws the gun, pauses, and then still shoots the guy as he was backing up, then kept it pointed at him....

the act of drawing and pointing the firearm already had the dead guy backing up.

You need to read what I wrote again, real, real, slow. Her illegal parking is exactly what started this whole chain of events. If she wouldn't have parked illegally none of this would have started. The guy wouldn't have been arguing with her, her boy friend wouldn't have knocked the guy down and the shooter wouldn't have shot him. I'd say parking is a big issue in the shooting, her feeling entitled to park where ever she wants in order to save a few steps.

Nowhere did I say that was sufficient rationale to shoot anyone, nowhere. What I said was, that started the interaction between 3 stupid people, and one ended up dead.

Since it has no bearing on the whether or not the shoot was good, it is a moot point, a red herring, a bright shiny object that captures the attention of those to obtuse to discern the pertinent issues. Your if/then statement indicates that you are focused on the bright shiny object ("real, real, slow"...lol).

I agree that it has no bearing on a good/bad shoot, that was never my intent. I'm pointing out that by acting stupid you can get killed real fast in todays world.

Since you think I'm too ignorant too understand the pertinent issue let's try this. The shooter had just suffered a felonious battery as defined by Florida law, and I can imagine he was in fear for his life. I believe age comes into play here with fear. Someone blindsides you that you never saw and find yourself on the pavement, the shooter is probably disoriented at this point. He sees a guy bigger and younger by 20 some years standing there and his reflexes probably aren't very fast to process what all happened. His brain might never have registered the guy was backing up, he was scared and he shot as fast as he could, even if it looks turtle like slow to us. Right/wrong a jury would have to decide but age is a factor among many other things. As far as deadly weapons, hands and feet kill a lot of people every year, especially when the attacker is much younger than the victim.

A felonious assault as defined by FL law is one with a weapon, sex assault, or inflicting serious injury. How does this assault fit into that category?

When the assailant started moving backward, the assault was over...whether or not the gun had already been pulled. If the assailant had a deadly weapon in his hand, that changes the entire analysis. But he didn't.

The decision is the prosecutors and apparently he abdicated. However, even if the charge wouldn't have been indicted by grand jury, it still deserves to be front of them for decision.

I suppose if you boil it down and try to find a beginning cause, you would be correct. However, I disagree with this assessment. I believe the guy should have never confronted her to begin with. Again, he was armed and therefore should have avoided initiating any confrontation. Call the police. That's one of the reasons we pay them. The guy should have confirmed the lady was parked illegally and let the proper authorities handle it. He wanted to play cop.

...what caliber do y’all reckon that was ? ...looked like that biggin was going to just walk it off there for a second

I may start a handicapped parking spot patrol...

Marty make sure your packin.

I'm thinking not very large. There was no shock affect, the guy just walked off. Now obviously it depends where he was hit but still..... I'm thinking .380 or .38

If that guy was huntin illegal handicapped spot parkers I bet he had a .45 at least....maybe more.

Depends on wether it was open season or depredation only...I can’t speak for Florida , but judging from all the controversy...I’d say it was an outside of open season offense