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Re: The gun grab has started in Florida [Re: Catch22] #6291944
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Ok, maybe i read it wrong or maybe you are. I'm not sure.

It say.......within 24hrs they hold a hearing and you can go. If Judge declares you unfit you can request another hearing but you will lose your guns.

But, to me, your at the first hearing and can win it, so how do you call that taking your guns before a hearing?

And it also says only family members or someone living with you, or cops. SO no, your wrong about your neighbor filing agains't you.

I see how the wording could mean what you say.
Just that i've never ever heard of them holding a hearing against a person that they couldn't attend and defend themselves.

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Re: The gun grab has started in Florida [Re: Catch22] #6291952
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24 hours is t much time to prepare for a hearing. The folks wanting your guns can take all the time they need. If you think laws like this will reduce violent crimegive me a call. I'll sell you a bridge to put a toll booth on


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Re: The gun grab has started in Florida [Re: Catch22] #6291953
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I'm not defending the law, never have. Just like to know facts, not my hair is on fire B.S.

Re: The gun grab has started in Florida [Re: Catch22] #6291955
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I'm going to regret getting back into this thread...I should be cleaning my traps for Pete's sake!

Originally Posted By: Catch22
mainer, I understand about ex parte and know that it is common practice especially for domestic abuse and stalking. Are you saying that it's also common practice everywhere to also take all weapons from the person being served a RO or PO?

Not "everywhere" but common enough that confiscating firearms FIRST before a full hearing is either authorized or required in some protective order cases. From my earlier post:

Originally Posted By: mainer
Correction: "In about one-third of states, police officers are also authorized or required to remove guns when they arrive at the scene of a domestic violence incident." "A protection order may include many different provisions, including: Requiring the abuser to surrender any guns he or she possesses (about 2/3rds of states) and/or prohibiting the abuser from purchasing a firearm."

Source: https://family.findlaw.com/domestic-violence/domestic-violence-orders-of-protection-and-restraining-orders.html

So something in these new red flag laws, and specifically in the Florida statute, must be different than than the run-of-the-mill EPO (emergency protection order) statutes that already exist in some form in every state. That was my original question. I just haven't taken he time to figure that out yet.

I suspect the difference is simply the suspicion of doing harm to oneself or others that is enough to bring a protection order request before a judge. I don't know. Someone enlighten me smile


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Re: The gun grab has started in Florida [Re: Catch22] #6291956
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I guess 24 hrs os enough time to hide them. Tell the judge yoi dont have any


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Re: The gun grab has started in Florida [Re: Catch22] #6291960
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The way I read it your not at the hearing, your accuser is. ??


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Re: The gun grab has started in Florida [Re: Catch22] #6291962
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Don't know, vaguely worded.

Hecck, i've taken people to hearing for minor things like bad checks and they get to defend themselves.

Re: The gun grab has started in Florida [Re: Catch22] #6291971
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I spent 30 days in a VA hospital when I came back from Nam. It was because of the bad nightmares I was having. They had me on all kinds of meds.
I own over 100 guns and have never had anyone try to take them away from me. I think if a person is a danger to himself and others, and a judge decides there is CAUSE than that person should have to prove he is OK to own a fire arm!!!!!!

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Re: The gun grab has started in Florida [Re: Catch22] #6291989
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So, out of 21 million people 450 have had their right to firearms restricted temporally while awaiting their day before a judge.

Not much of a Gun Grab.


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Re: The gun grab has started in Florida [Re: Marty] #6291999
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Originally Posted By: Marty
So, out of 21 million people 450 have had their right to firearms restricted temporally while awaiting their day before a judge.

Not much of a Gun Grab.




They're just getting started, bet you would be singing a different tune if you were one of the 450. And apparently your ok with the law, seems so anyway.


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Re: The gun grab has started in Florida [Re: Catch22] #6292020
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Originally Posted By: Catch22
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It donít work like that, doctors and judges and incident reports are all I have to worry about. Not he said she said

Not true and the list of people that can file petition on you is growing per state. They take your guns first, then the burden of proof is on you.


Like Iíve stated in every post Iíve made on this thread, they cannot come and take your guns, you have to go to court, present yourself to the judge, judge and doctors make the call on what to do from then, donít be a fkn weirdo and crazy in court and keep your guns. Itís a hassle yes but they canít just show up and take your guns


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Re: The gun grab has started in Florida [Re: Catch22] #6292047
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Originally Posted By: Catch22
Originally Posted By: Marty
So, out of 21 million people 450 have had their right to firearms restricted temporally while awaiting their day before a judge.

Not much of a Gun Grab.




They're just getting started, bet you would be singing a different tune if you were one of the 450. And apparently your ok with the law, seems so anyway.


Well they better get with it for it to be a Gun Grab....1% of the population is 210,000 so they only have 209,550 to go for it to be 1%.

Not sure of 1% would qualify as a Gun Grab either. Even if you say that only 1/3 of the people are gun owners that still leaves 69,550 for it to be 1% of gun owners.

There are circumstances that would justify temporary seizure of a persons firearms while they wait to see a judge to get them back....for the safety of others/themselves.



New law takes effect in attempt to curb mass shootings seems like a more accurate title.

ymmv.







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Re: The gun grab has started in Florida [Re: Marty] #6292111
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Originally Posted By: Marty
So, out of 21 million people 450 have had their right to firearms restricted temporally while awaiting their day before a judge.

Not much of a Gun Grab.



So as long as you weren't one of the 450,,its ok then?What if that's the time you actually need it to protect your family.


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Re: The gun grab has started in Florida [Re: Catch22] #6292120
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Look; the verdict is in, the NRA supports the gun grabbing done by Florida Republicans in this case and so it shall be- time for the ducklings to fall into line. Shift fire to the NRA sueing to stop the Florida republican law that stripped 18-20 year old adults of the right to purchase a firearm.

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