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Re: Socialism [Re: Bigfoot] #6292311
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Originally Posted By: Bigfoot
I had 8o% insurance when I we had our youngest son . My brother in law had cash in hand and price shopped a little when they had their daughter three years after my son . we compaired money spent and he payed $800 more than my 20% I had to pay out of pocket . They had much better care with a single room . Any insurance that isn't 100% is a jip because they charge so much more if your insured .


This is every industry that insurance is part of, I do not expect insurance to run as a charity but when our healthcare is double most first world nations something is wrong.

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Originally Posted By: Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted By: Bigfoot
I had 8o% insurance when I we had our youngest son . My brother in law had cash in hand and price shopped a little when they had their daughter three years after my son . we compaired money spent and he payed $800 more than my 20% I had to pay out of pocket . They had much better care with a single room . Any insurance that isn't 100% is a jip because they charge so much more if your insured .


This is every industry that insurance is part of, I do not expect insurance to run as a charity but when our healthcare is double most first world nations something is wrong.


How many of those first world nations have tort reform? Or a version thereof?

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Re: Socialism [Re: AntiGov] #6292329
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Is there really another first world nation ??


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Re: Socialism [Re: upstateNY] #6292330
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I would like a bunch of free stuff.


Let me know if that works out and I will join ya.


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Re: Socialism [Re: AntiGov] #6292356
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Originally Posted By: AntiGov


Great topic.

Because it seems so easy. Much easier than acquiring skill and working and taking risk and all that entails.

IMO politicians are to blame, FDR to begin with because the new deal enabled the mindset. But also, parents. How many times have we heard a teary eyed parent lament that they don't want their kid to struggle like they did. So overcompensation occurs and kids are not prepared to struggle. Then when the bottom falls out the only answer is life is not fair and gov't needs to equalize the outcome. I've been guilty of that myself - but that struggle thing, that's critical to learning how to succeed. Kids today can't fail and learn, it's fail and quit.

Generally speaking of course.

Re: Socialism [Re: AntiGov] #6292380
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The young socialists are sort of like hippies,they like the carefree bohemian lifestyle.


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Re: Socialism [Re: AntiGov] #6292402
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One key point I believe is that those in our society that support socialism or socialistic programs is that they have absolutely no comprehension of the end game.


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Re: Socialism [Re: white17] #6292425
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Originally Posted By: white17
Is there really another first world nation ??
is that a serious question? Australia, every Nordic country, Canada...

Re: Socialism [Re: AntiGov] #6292442
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I think AntiGov says it right about the end game. How many times have people set up small scale “communes “ with pie in the sky ideals? They always fail.

Re: Socialism [Re: AntiGov] #6292563
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Originally Posted By: AntiGov
One key point I believe is that those in our society that support socialism or socialistic programs is that they have absolutely no comprehension of the end game.




That's the majority of the world really most people struggle to see past their own noses let alone looking 3 steps ahead today. The lions share consume and have little clue where it all comes from, only a few produce what we all need.


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Re: Socialism [Re: AntiGov] #6292611
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Originally Posted By: AntiGov
One key point I believe is that those in our society that support socialism or socialistic programs is that they have absolutely no comprehension of the end game.



I think the same can be said for libertarians.

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Originally Posted By: Law Dog
Originally Posted By: AntiGov
One key point I believe is that those in our society that support socialism or socialistic programs is that they have absolutely no comprehension of the end game.




That's the majority of the world really most people struggle to see past their own noses let alone looking 3 steps ahead today. The lions share consume and have little clue where it all comes from, only a few produce what we all need.


The socialist thinking is that it is unfair that somebody had an idea first and capitalized on it or taking someone else's idea, making it better and taking all the reward. The whole "You didn't build that."


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Originally Posted By: Donnersurvivor
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One key point I believe is that those in our society that support socialism or socialistic programs is that they have absolutely no comprehension of the end game.



I think the same can be said for libertarians.

Sure it can be said, don't mean it's accurate lol.


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Re: Socialism [Re: Catch22] #6292636
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I think the same can be said for libertarians.

Sure it can be said, don't mean it's accurate lol.


The libertarian end game has already played out in this country in the 1800s, a few huge players end up owning everything with the majority living in poverty. There needs to be some government controls that prevent monopolies and insane amounts of wealth inequality that result in rich and poor classes with little middle class.

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Re: Socialism [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6292673
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Originally Posted By: Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted By: Bigfoot
I had 8o% insurance when I we had our youngest son . My brother in law had cash in hand and price shopped a little when they had their daughter three years after my son . we compaired money spent and he payed $800 more than my 20% I had to pay out of pocket . They had much better care with a single room . Any insurance that isn't 100% is a jip because they charge so much more if your insured .


This is every industry that insurance is part of, I do not expect insurance to run as a charity but when our healthcare is double most first world nations something is wrong.


Then why do we have so many people coming to America for our healthcare? It's because it's the best in the world and for some it's free and these are the ones who use it for the tiniest malady.

Keep in mind that when you are catering to people who are getting free healthcare, somebody's got to pay for it. It will drive the cost of healthcare higher which will make insurance rates go up as well.


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Then why do we have so many people coming to America for our healthcare? It's because it's the best in the world and for some it's free and these are the ones who use it for the tiniest malady.

Keep in mind that when you are catering to people who are getting free healthcare, somebody's got to pay for it. It will drive the cost of healthcare higher which will make insurance rates go up as well.


To be fair many Americans are also going overseas or to Mexico for cheaper healthcare because they cannot afford it here even with insurance. I have stated I am all ears if someone has a solution for healthcare in our country but first we need to accept certain aspects of it (price) are not working. Simply stating the GOVT is the problem with healthcare may be partially true but to think GOVT involvement is the only thing driving cost is a poor assumption.

Re: Socialism [Re: AntiGov] #6292762
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You don't see Bernie giving up his wealth do you? LOL Ponzi scam is all it is, your still going to have the haves and the have nots just more of the have nots if hard work will get you nothing more then the guys not willing to work. Just a big incentive killer.


Libertarians talk a good game and somehow free range people will get it all done but never have I heard how all that gets done and by who yet?


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There are a few around here who still have Bernie bumper stickers on their vehicles. they are pretty much well intentioned morons.


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