My daughter is to leave for college in a week. After this Molly Tibbetts girl going missing I really wanted to get her set up with permit to carry. Then found out that she is not able to till 21. Not sure if I want to do this but feel like I should make her take the class and arm her anyway and face the conquences if she gets caught. She is a rule following girl so I’m sure she would not want to do that. So wil probably end end up getting a taser I assume that is not allowed at colllege also?

I have not had really any talks with her yet about safety. and I’m not really knowleble of what to watch for other than just stay away from any man. And usually she listens but like any kid thinks it can’t happen to her.

So I’m open to all good advice that will keep her safe and live a lifestyle that any teen will be ok with in the age of Snapchat and all other socia media

Pepper spray a size that would make a bear puke, a stun gun and some personal defense training would go a long ways to let you sleep at night.

Most campuses will not allow for any type of carry other than pepper spray. Make sure to check campus regulations because being caught could result in being expelled and potential charges depending on the school.

It's a shame that our kids have to keep their heads on a swivel but they must keep aware of their surroundings. It also sucks that our 18-21 year olds are denied the right to carry to protect themselves. I would have a talk with her about staying aware of her surroundings and watching closely what she post online. Also, maybe some kind of self defense class that you both could do together. Life today is a whole different ballgame compared to when we came up. Good luck!

What state is she going to. Check the laws . But one piece of advice is to tell her to NEVER EVER go out ANYWHERE by herself. Make a good friend and travel ,walk, shop, etc with another person. MOST abductions happen to a single person.

I'd move one block away from the college..lol..walk her to class.

Man it's a hard thing to predict where lighting will strike. If you live like your the one going to be licked by the dog, bit by the tick, or struck by lighting and die! Your going to be living pretty sheltered life. Really anyone can get blind sided..
That said.
What I tried to teach my kids growing up was situational awareness. Which direction and were to run,and what to run from, when to fight all stops pulled..
Your daughter may already be better at that than you know. But just talking about it with her or maybe even get her in a class..
Years ago I used to be an assistant instructor for a class for women. What we call back then in the 1980s "Rape Prevention" and it was taught threw the YWCA. I haven't been involved with it myself for many years now. The class is still taught though by the same man that started it, that I helped. It has morphed now, grown and is called "WISE"
I'd never say gun or tazer idea is off the table. But in the collage environment would probably become a bigger issue than actually the odds of getting attacked.
See if they have any classes at the school or in the area of the WISE Type..

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X2 on martial arts pepper spray. Knife is always good. If she's walking to her car put the exposed car key between fingers with a closed fist. My friends wife always does that and landed up being attacked one night she punched and stabbed the guy at the same time.

Good luck with that if she's into partying and clubbing. That seems to be where most of the problems with campus life begin. If she has good principals and some common sense she will probably be just fine. How the upcoming years play-out may be a reflection on how she was raised. However, I've seen good kids go bad, and bad kids go good so you just never really know.
In the long-run young people who have been raised right and then veer off track during their college years almost always find their way back.

That's another thing I would talk to her about. Kids are kids and they very well may want to experiment. I would mention to go with as many friends as possible and NEVER accept a open drink from anyone!!

I wonder how many unpopular girls get abducted?

I wouldn't over react, Mollie Tibbetts is 1 of 100,000 (or 500,000) or so college students, you can spend your life worrying about what "might" happen. That said, my daughter is going to college next year about 2 hours from home and she will have a Glock in a safe bolted in the trunk of her car. If she breaks down or is traveling home, she'll have it in the front seat. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6... She's alert and savvy, but we refuse to live our lives in fear.

My buddy is in the same boat, he found a flashlight with a tazer built in to the lens end and boy does it work

Sad indeed that our government has the POWER to tell us that we cannot arm our young people under 21 years old. Interesting, I bet no president's daughters had to worry about this conversation when they went to college, because our tax dollars paid for them to have their own professional body guards (Secret Service).
So are the government's children more precious than the commoners?
I think I would get her a concealed handgun and not worry about it. If concealed is done right, no one would ever know she carried!
I know I am crazy, I just think the commoner's are just as important as the elite- sorry Hillary:(

Good luck and may God protect your precious daughter!

Don't fool your self a LOT happens on campus today it has come to the forefront in the last 10-15 years but was seldom reported in the past to protect the schools. Be prepared at all times and have a plan, a ballistic pen might be handy also and is easy to have handy.


She is going to an institution so prepare for it and hope she never needs any of it but don't put her in position of being unprepared and having to live with that the rest of her/your life.

Last thing I want to hear is there’s people walking around with a gun because daddy made me. That’s an accident waiting to happen for sure.
I want to believe people walking around town with a gun on their hip or in their purse have it because they themselves know exactly what to do with it if needed, and no chance of forgetting that they have it either. They better have confidence, and your daughter will not convince me after a crash course a week before college.

If you give your daughter a gun for college I bet it goes missing within a week.

SD 21 to buy a pistol (Fed law) and 18 to carry one (SD law)!

I've also told my daughter to refuse a drink if it's opened .

Some easy Things to change, I observed on campus when My Daughter was there.

Pay attention: No Ear Phones in the ears while walking/moving/driving.

Pay attention: No Reading Texts/Twitter/Emails/ect while Walking/moving/driving.

Be suspicious: That nice guy is not necessarily a nice guy...Not all Predators look like Predators and they don't wear a sign identifying them...Even nice guys can be jerks or "misread signals"

Have a Party Buddy also Known to the Predators as a C*** Blocker (Someone who will observe the Designated driver rules and will help to prevent you from making a bad decision) that you can trust if going out to partake in the social miss adventures. NOT ONE Party Buddy for the group, Herding Drunk chicks is like herding cats. Better Yet Don't go to the party or bars Nothing good happens there.

Don't leave a drink unattended at a table or bar

Don't be alone with someone who you have not been around in many different situations.

Just a start.

trapper4 the government is not supposed to have that authority. it does now because somehow people believe they are protected by that government much more than they actually are. much much more. its a fact to scary for many to contemplate

Also never resume drinking from one that has been out of your sight ev n if it has been left with friends

Talk to her you might be surprised at what sh has already encountered

There are lots of self defense tools out there the one both my kids left home with is called a monkey fist which is a steel ball with paracord wrapping around it a golf all as a core works good also and will not ping metal detectors and anything you connect with is going going to be damaged

I know as a parent you want her to be safe but if she is not comfortable with it as soon as she is out of your sight she will drop it in a drawer and forget about it

Hey save your money !!! Make her stay home and take on-line classes

Situational awareness is number one. Number two would be some sort of basic self defense class, along with the confidence and physical strength to use it when necessary. A black belt in karate wont do any good if you shrivel up when attacked or cant lift a gallon of milk without straining. Any weapon will be useless unless trained with, whether that's a gun, pepper spray, some sort of impact weapon, etc. Don't do stupid kid stuff. It's hard when your young, Ive been there. But the "kids will be kids" mentality that says kids will get drunk and party is only a stones throw from the "boys will be boys" mentality that makes young college boys treat young college girls like disposable objects. Don't do anything you'd regret telling your future spouse or children.

Pepper spray, running shoes and a while. Spray attacker, run like the wind toward people and open well lit area while making as much noise with whistle as possible.

I hate to say this but there are a lot of assaults, rapes beating go on in every collage that you will never know about. The collage may know about them but you never will. Yes, the numbers are small compared to the number of students. But they are still there. Lot of good advice. Self defense class with a friend, do not go out alone, let people know where you are going by phone, NOT face book etc. JMO

Just remind her of how cruel the world is. The teaching you've done from birth to this point is what matters.
Trust in what values you've already taught her and she'll hopefully avoid the crowd that will get her in trouble.

Go to tigerlady.com every lady should have a set of these.

Let her read "the gift of fear" by Gavin DeBecker.

Situation awareness.
Keying in on what people say.
Learn to say "no" and keep saying it till they get the point.
And dont ever get the mind set of "it wont happen to me"

We need to remember the media makes the world seem alot more dangerous than it truly is. I second lots of the advice already given, and would also recommend the book "the gift of fear" by gavin debecker... it's about fine tuning yout personal awareness and listening to your premonitions.

The World sure has changed since I was in College. Back then, the College I was in ; had a Police Training Academy on the Campus. Law Enforcement from around the area, sent their Police Officers there for their Law Enforcement Degrees. There were no problems ever at that College.

You have had no talks with your daughter about safety? Wow. You have done her no favors. Enroll her in self defense classes where ever she is going to be for school. Better late than never.

self defense is a last ditch effort. first conversations should be about minimizing risk and avoiding the need for self defense

As for open drinks and not watch.A friend of my her sister was in a bar and had the date rape drug in her drink.My friend and her mom took her sister to the ER is when they found out about the drug that was slip in her drink.Also like stated have her to not even drink the drink if watch by friends because you do not know if they will try to do something or play something on her. Also I say drop the pepper spray I have hear that some can handle the spray.Use Raid that spray 25ft.That will stop them for a time.I had read somewhere in the past about the 2.and raid works the best.Also beside being with someone else to anywhere,but make sure they can be trusted very well. Also stay away from frat houses and there parties. That is where too much gose on. Also watch out for sly talkers. Over all best to stay out of the bars all together.It is only for a few years and that is it.But it is all up to her in the end for what she dose . You can only do so much and say so much. She need to start to live her life and you can help only so much.So gose to college to not go to work right away and to only party.I know, I had talk with some about it. Those are the most problem ones.

If your not trained before anything happens do you really think the brain will function at 100% when your life in on the line and you have no clue what to do? AIN'T going to happen!

The purpose of training is to increase though under stress because the basics are already in place. The #1 plan of a untrained person is to play "dead" and hope for the best outcome. AKA a perfect victim!

Learning to avoid risky situations/awareness as a primary means of defense is #1, #2,physical violence needs a lot of training. Especially for women who will likely be fighting a much stronger male. 10 hours of training on effective use of violence is better than none but not nearly enough.

When I was in college at Northern Iowa, the dorm I lived in ran an "escort service." We all took turns being on call at night, and girls could call from the library or whatever and we would go meet them and escort them home or wherever they were going. You might check and see if something similar is available wherever she is going.

Take shooting and teach her tactical shooting. They make purses that no one will ever know the gun is there. All my girls are armed. They have locking blades knives as well.

That looks great Pawnee! I’m sending that link to the women in my family, and will probably get a pair for my wife to run with. I like that it’s completely intrinsic, simple and instinctive. Really no training or practice required.

That being said, I believe training, practice and awareness are the keys to safe living. The title of this thread is “Keeping daughter safe from the world.” Personally I believe that’s an unrealistic plan. My goal as a parent is to teach and equip my daughter to function safely and successfully IN the world, because I can’t protect her from it forever. Hopefully your daughter is already practiced in shooting and has at least lived a physical enough life to have a good foundation to build from. But I agree that at this point a small weapon and some classes are probably your best bet.

I would take the time to reread [/b]Horn[b] and [/b]Black Spot's[b] posts.

Alcohol is the #1 date rape drug, so avoid it.

Blak is spot on with "no." It needs to be assertive!

The overwhelming amount of sexual assaults are committed by people known to the victim.

My daughter carries a tazer and pepper spray. Not sure all the rules at each college, but I feel better knowing she has them.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/man-tied-sexually-assaulted-14-153206806.html

I don't think this is uncommon. Judge figures girl was "asking for it" because of dress and/or behavior. To many young women are too trusting. Another problem many young women have is they believe they can physically, with violence, stop an assault by a larger stronger male without injuring him critically. Only one real good way for a female to be protected from a male. That's a firearm and the knowledge of how and when to use it.

I haven't read the whole thread, but I did see some mentioned self defense course. I would highly recommend it. Male or female should look into a good course in real life martial arts/ self defense. That way your daughters will have a better understanding of what to do if someone grabs her, AND probably be able to hurt the attacker. If anything it will give her more self confidence!!!

Can of hornet spray. It's a little bulky but anything that will knock a bald face hornet down will take care of any attacker!!!

Some of them little purse sizes hair spray cans can be refilled with whatever you have around wasp spray like scout1 said, oven cleaner any nasty thing you can think of!

Aerosol can of real Skunk !