Horse meat/ Grinding
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Time to grind a horse up this week, I will try to get some video to share with our T-man people. I have a 36 horse Kohler V-twin Coupled to a 3 speed general motors transmission that is coupled to the grinder, it all sits on a military generator trailer so it can be towed to the site, easy cleanup leave the mess out on the ranch..Vulchers have to eat too!
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you must sell a lot of horse meat to need a grinder that will do 36 horses at a time
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you must sell a lot of horse meat to need a grinder that will do 36 horses at a time all wrong on this one Danny .... it takes 36 horses to grind up their best friend.
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Time to grind a horse up this week, I will try to get some video to share with our T-man people. Scott I can't wait to see that! If you post it on another forum, give us a "heads up" on here, as to where you post it.
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Tomorrow is the day I will have to figure out how to post pictures!
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I wrote an article for the Furtaker Magazine about it. 12 to 15 years ago it had an old single cylinder motor on it. I couldn't get parts for it any longer so I put the 36 horse Kohler on it about 12 years ago. I ground 400 bobcats in a day with the new motor and was hooked. More torque, lighter motor, the old one was an anchor for the Titanic. I put it on a Military trailer for easy manuvering. Two guys can spin it around and move it if the ground is flat. I placed it on the trailer so the weight is balanced. Hope to get pictures today before and while grinding!
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yes thank you that's a serious grinder there!!Was that a whole knuckle or joint? If so im amazed
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Answer a few questions, yes to the 4 loaves of bread for the clean out. There were whole knuckle joints run through the grinder. The leg bones are cut up with a saws-all so the auger can grab a hold of them. The side rack of ribs is cut off and then and split up with a knife and run through also.
It is my experience that grinding the bone keeps your grinding plate cleaner, and helps to grind the meat better, the stringiness of horse wants to clog the plates up but the bone helps to grind it and flow through the grinding plate,
I have been taught and know that to make the best bait you must include the bone with all it's marrow. Canines chew bones to get to the inside marrow!
Any other questions I will be glad to answer. My grinding plates are 8 3/4 inches across, I lubricate parts with vaseline. I would say this grinder and transmission are about 70 years old.
Hope you enjoyed, the sound was hard because of all the back ground noise.
Scott
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Thanks Bob, after the bread I take the auger out spray things off. After this batch the grinder housing was shiney, The auger crushes the bones for the most parts. A good tip is don't run teeth through the grinder and make sure there are no rocks or gravel stuck in your meat, these are very hard on your knives of any grinder. I like to chunk up the meat when it is on the carcass then place it in clean buckets. We cut the bones on a table with a saws-all to keep things clean. It is amazing how much bone marrow adds to your bait!! I have a small 1 horse grinder for glands,
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Ever thought of putting a bigger hopper on it?Load up with a shovel/fork?
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Wow! Couldn't find the thread earlier today. Glad I kept looking. That thing is awesome. My wife immediately said, "DON'T be gettin' no ideas!" I'm not that serious about my bait making. It's pretty cool to see the process and the machine that does it. Thanks for sharing!
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my grinder is put together from parts. runs on a 110 motor and a belt. will grind 5 gallons up reasonably fast. big horse bone would need busted up pretty good. like using ground hogs. head feet tail cut off and gutted. meat hide and bone gets ground up. works as good as any predator bait I ever bought when I spice it up a bit. I don't sell it and 5 gallons is a lot of sets.
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I don't sell it and 5 gallons is a lot of sets. I made 5 gallons beaver last month, and a gallon of mice. Should last until I tip over.
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Yes Mine will grind them.
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I have to say I did not think this post would get as many views as it has. I hope readers enjoyed the chance to see the work that goes into grinding!
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Thanks Scott and everyone else that offered something. If it’s not off topic too much do you guys mind sharing some of your next steps. I ground up some whistle pigs last year but did not have enough grinder to do bone ( barely had enough to grind the meat ) made a decent bait with just a few added ingredients. I started with a strong 9 day taint !
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The taint all depends on what you want your end product to be. I like to mix everyday, until it is ready. Then I stop it. Depending on how much meat, Glands etc. you have will depend on how much Sodium Benzoate I use. Mix everyday for a week with all ingredients. I use a drill and a texture paddle. You decide how thick you want it by the taint and how much Glycerine you add, You can always pour off the liquid if you are wanting a thicker bait before you stop it.
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Just a tip for T-man guys, I do not grind an animal that has been treated with antibiotics! Thay have a different smell to them, and the coyotes sure let you know. The cows in the bone yard that have been treated will be the last ones eaten!! Same with a horse!
Scott
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hey, Tony that statement Drugged! you have there, also applies to quill skunk essence! BION in the 'Ole days, they used another method, much better Quality!
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I was just offered another horse with bad teeth but it has been pumped full of anti-biotics Got to pass on that one. So it is important to know that not just any ole horse can be made into bait.
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I have read somewhere in the past about not use any thing that is full of anti-biotics for the reason stated,Also to get a cow to eat for the table, to not get one that was full of anti-biotics also.
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A grinder is also a great way to mix your bait or lure formula's, run it through several times if you want a very fine grind. It works the sodium benzoate in quickly!
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elaborate a little more ken!!?? Tony, drugged to death b/k/a euthanasia methods, taints the carcass of the skunk as it does ALL animals, it also taints the Quill Skunk Essence, blood and tissue, AND INTO THE BONE MARROW A LONG LONG TIME with Poison, (Sodium Pentobarbital) A (DEA) Narcotics License required to have it in ones possession or to purchase or to administer!, you can bet on it! Bill Nelson used a hose connected to his "Ole Tank Car in the 1930's he trapped from to put the Skunk to sleep (DIDN'T TAKE VERY LONG EITHER), Carbon Dioxide, IS NOT as Nasty a Chemical as Sodium Pentobarbital (A (DEA) Controlled Substance)! There ARE other methods to get a skunk to take a Nap! Carcasses that lay very long without (bury or Safe fire incineration) will give off a nasty Chemical odor, some meats turn an orange to bright orange type color CHEMICAL ODOR, as time passes , (In Fact THOSE Carcasses Are Dangerous to Animals and Humans), if NOT disposed of properly, by Law! IMHO Moreover, there are confirmed cases of wildlife and stray dogs and cats dying after ingesting sodium pentobarbital-filled carcasses that have been scavenged! I, AVOID SKUNK MEAT & QUILL ESSENCE THAT HAVE BEEN KILLED IN THIS FASHION using Sodium Pentabarbital, (It becomes MORE than a (!) Point On A bottle Label, AND Hazardous to your Health and any Animals that come into contact with it!...! MHO THE GOAL (In Trapping) IS TO GET THE SKUNK TO GO TO SLEEP (SO THEN YOU CAN TAKE CARE OF THEM) after the Nap takes on, then a welded spike long tack hammer Works fine, OR an appropiate electric volt probe, MUCH BETTER, CLEAN, & MUCH (SAFER) THAN HAZARDOUS DRUGS, WITH LONG LONG TERM EFFECTS! THAT ARE CONTROLLED BY (THE DEA)! Most DRUGS, will remain within the meat and bone marrow of animals and humans for a long long time, even the brain and spinal tissue will hold it moreso in concentration a long long time! IF YOUR GOING TO BURY THEM SKUNKS REALLY DEEP, THE SODIUM.PEN! will Work, IF YOUR LICENSE ALLOWS YOU TO POSSESS IT, Administer it, or Purchase it, LEGALLY! HOPE THAT HELPS YOU Tony!
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That is why I have a large grinder, armstrong grinders can not do enough!
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Great videos and a neat thread. A grinder hooked up to a 3 speed GM tranny makes me smile. Reminds me of Grandpa cutting wood with a belt driven circular blade run off the tractors drive wheel.
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Thanks for the tip, I like to leave the bread in to plug the grinding plate because it keeps the mud dobbers and wasps out!
Scott
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The Ice cleans the bread out nicely when I am ready to start grinding again. I can run it in reverse to clean it both ways.
Scott
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Thanks for sharing that Scott. Cool operation. Mac
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