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Re: Boiling Wax Off For FMJ [Re: TheBig1] #6302090
08/14/18 09:04 PM
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Hmm...I just reread your original post where you said,"crappy black residue", I have to wonder if they could of possibly been Speed Dipped. Do they have a petroleum smell to them?

Re: Boiling Wax Off For FMJ [Re: TheBig1] #6302111
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Thanks Taximan, I have a feeling that is going to be the easiest thing to do.


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Re: Boiling Wax Off For FMJ [Re: SNIPERBBB] #6302114
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Originally Posted By: SNIPERBBB
Hmm...I just reread your original post where you said,"crappy black residue", I have to wonder if they could of possibly been Speed Dipped. Do they have a petroleum smell to them?


No, they’re my buddy’s traps and this is only his second or third season, my first full season. He just dyed and waxed them. I just don’t want to deal with that since I don’t have a propane burner, I’m new, and it can be dangerous with inexperience. Plus I only have about 4 dozen traps.


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Re: Boiling Wax Off For FMJ [Re: TheBig1] #6302171
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You don't HAVE to have a burner if you have a boiling pot big enough you can set it on some bricks and build a fire under it a half barrel works great. Just an idea in case you hadn't thought of it.

Re: Boiling Wax Off For FMJ [Re: ~ADC~] #6302187
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Originally Posted By: ~ADC~
You don't HAVE to have a burner if you have a boiling pot big enough you can set it on some bricks and build a fire under it a half barrel works great. Just an idea in case you hadn't thought of it.


I did think of that but I also thought about the time efficiency. I do have a big stock pot that I’ve been boiling a full dozen at a time in. It works well and somewhat fast on our new stove. Boils in about an hour to an hour and a half when I cover the pot with foil.

I’m thinking that if I go over every trap and scrape off the rather large paint drops of wax with a putty knife, that if I were to boil once again it might work. It’s been raining so much here daily that doing anything outside on a fire wouldn’t be possible.

I am just in amazement at how well that wax is holding on. My buddy did have it on there pretty thick. If it had a wick on it, it’d have burned for days


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Re: Boiling Wax Off For FMJ [Re: TheBig1] #6302339
08/15/18 08:04 AM
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Muriatic acid will/may weaken the springs, do not use it. Sleepy creek packs a notice to that effect with all their traps. Don't think what you are trying to boil off is wax, probably left over dye or dip.

Re: Boiling Wax Off For FMJ [Re: ThisIsNotaStep] #6302343
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Originally Posted By: ThisIsNotaStep
Muriatic acid will/may weaken the springs, do not use it. Sleepy creek packs a notice to that effect with all their traps. Don't think what you are trying to boil off is wax, probably left over dye or dip.


I don't think that I'll go the acid route either. Again, they're not my traps and I wouldn't want to do such a thing to begin with.

I know what you're saying about this possibly not being wax, but it truly is. There are big wax tear drops still hanging onto the traps. When I boiled the one dozen once again the sliminess went away but what was left were many wax tear drops. I think I'm going to scrape those spots off with a small putty knife and then only boil a half dozen at a time. It seems that whichever way I have them laying in accordance with the bottom of the pot, it's the top side of the trap (opposite of the pot's bottom) that continues to hold the wax.


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Re: Boiling Wax Off For FMJ [Re: TheBig1] #6302397
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You may try boiling less traps at a time so the traps get more area to release the wax.

Re: Boiling Wax Off For FMJ [Re: Terrence j] #6302400
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Originally Posted By: Terrence j
You may try boiling less traps at a time so the traps get more area to release the wax.


That's what I was thinking also.


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Re: Boiling Wax Off For FMJ [Re: TheBig1] #6302569
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When you boil these traps the wax floats to the top , if you pull the traps out of the still hot water you are reapplying the wax . It’s the only reason you would have drops of wax on them after boiling twice. Boil them again and let the water cool before removing the traps. Another option would be to pressure wash them with a steam Jenny!

Re: Boiling Wax Off For FMJ [Re: Golf ball] #6302570
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Originally Posted By: Golf ball
When you boil these traps the wax floats to the top , if you pull the traps out of the still hot water you are reapplying the wax . It’s the only reason you would have drops of wax on them after boiling twice. Boil them again and let the water cool before removing the traps. Another option would be to pressure wash them with a steam Jenny!


I have put a hose into my pot and allowed everything to flow out of the pot as well as having allowed the pot to cool for 24 hours and peeled the hard crust of wax off of the top of the water.


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Re: Boiling Wax Off For FMJ [Re: TheBig1] #6302645
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Like I said,some of it stays on,regardless what people tell you.You don't need to get it all off to re-wax.Be very careful,waxing indoors.I would highly recommend getting it outside.

Re: Boiling Wax Off For FMJ [Re: Taximan] #6302668
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Originally Posted By: Taximan
Like I said,some of it stays on,regardless what people tell you.You don't need to get it all off to re-wax.Be very careful,waxing indoors.I would highly recommend getting it outside.


I understand, which is why I would rather try FMJ. I’ll figure it out somehow.


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Re: Boiling Wax Off For FMJ [Re: TheBig1] #6302706
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I'll tel you what I would do with them right now, I'd just set them in the ground and catch something. If they still have enough wax on them to bead water, they still have enough wax to repel water which is the intent of waxing traps.
Too much is made of prepping traps, imo, you boiled 'em clean (twice), they was already dyed and waxed before (I would have probably used them then); they is good to go. They will be covered while in use and the catch will shine them right up.
I expect from what you say that the residual wax is about the same protection that you will get from FMJ.

That purple stuff (Purple power-Super Clean) that gets talked about might just be what you want, wax is a heavy viscosity oil so a degreaser makes some sense and some forum members have had some good luck using it.

Other interest threads that might help:
https://trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/6244276/Re:_Boiling_traps#Post6244276
https://trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/6191430/Removing_FMJ
Acid>> https://trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1459836/1
https://trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/5113801/1
https://trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/6265818/Re:_Full_Metal_Jacket#Post6265818
https://trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads....for#Post6144974
https://trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/6253082/all/For_all_the_Speed_Dip_Haters

Re: Boiling Wax Off For FMJ [Re: TheBig1] #6302728
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fwiw, the thick clunky coating of wax is because the wax and the traps were too cool when the traps were removed, often too many traps at once in the pot and sometimes just not long enough in the pot.

Paraffin wax has a flash/burn temperature of 284F-390F
Paraffin melts at about 130-160F
Water boils and turns to steam at 212F (notice there is no range, it always 212F for both boil and steam)

So, boiling water melts wax and wax will float off.
Wax at or near melting point does not turn water into steam, so water can be trapped inside the wax coating.
Heating the wax to ~230F (well above the steam point) would insure that any residual water turns to steam and is removed the from trap.(225-235F is well below the flash point, but keep a tight fitting pot lid handy just in case)

Most of my traps go straight from the tannin boil into the wax pot a few steps away so the majority of the water has steamed off-dried in the few seconds of transition (they look fully dried- don't drip water into hot wax, it reacts violently) and the traps are still relatively hot, The trap will always have some small bit of water trapped in the crevices (this is true even if the trap cools over night or a week prior to waxing) so there is a visible bunch of bubbles coming of the trap-wait til all that steam is out then using a wire rod turn the trap over and wait a moment to see if more steam bubbles rise- if not wait a moment or two more to insure the trap is wax-hot then remove the hot trap from the very hot wax: the wax should run off the trap like water. Hang the trap on a line to cool. The wax build up should then look like the trap is oiled not glazed.

Re: Boiling Wax Off For FMJ [Re: TheBig1] #6302729
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Thank you TJM for your input. Lots of good information there


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Re: Boiling Wax Off For FMJ [Re: TheBig1] #6303001
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Gonna try and help the big1 out here. The traps he has are at the most 2 years old for one of the dozen. The other only 1 year old. They were boiled in purple power then set out and let to rust. They did not rust much. They were then dyed, set on a pallet until I had all dyed and then waxed. This was done in the same afternoon.

Some caught critters, grinners and trash pandas. Tho most just spent their time in the elements. Keeping an eye on this as I may go the dip route depending on how this goes. I have only boiled with purple power and it has removed more than enough for me to dye and wax. I did not think it would be this hard to remove ALL the wax so you could dip them. I guess that is showing the newbie in us.

Sorry if this is mumble jumbled, I was watching our girls little league softball championship game and spent the last two hours trying to post to this.

It was a great game. Our girls got out played on the offense. There were no errors in the game. Ohio just got a few better hits than we did. They played well, it was a great game.

Sat is the welcome home for them. Roads will be blocked off and it wont be for the flooding this time!


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Re: Boiling Wax Off For FMJ [Re: TheBig1] #6303002
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Sorry. Guess that got more involved than it needed to be.


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Re: Boiling Wax Off For FMJ [Re: TheBig1] #6303325
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It doesn't have to be bare metal each time you wax, the wax will dissolve itself and work fine. It doesn't have to be bare metal each time you dye with tannin, tannin only reacts with rust=no rust, no "dye"=good thing. The only reason I would strip to bare metal is to paint. I have never used dips, but, I consider them to be paint. To paint I would consider blasting or tumbling in a cement mixer.

Before the recent "pruning' there ~20-30 threads on 'how to remove this or that dip'; usually all the dips get called Speed Dip even if they aren't Andy Stoe's brand.

Re: Boiling Wax Off For FMJ [Re: TheBig1] #6303567
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Lol I guess I’ve never really tried to remove wax , just re dye and re wax. From what I am reading here wax may be the best protection a guy could use if it’s that hard to remove !

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