Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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08/14/18 01:02 PM
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Could get ugly. I may have to trap a few more than normal. LLL
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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08/14/18 01:39 PM
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Too bad Rampage Lures has been put out of business...this could be their breakout year!
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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08/14/18 02:13 PM
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Tossing out cages as I go this year the coons can pay the gas and I can make a buck on the skunks, The Naysayers will tell you your wasting your time but it's your time a $10-$12 dollar coon is still better then a $4 one in my book or even $8 they are easy to handle.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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08/14/18 02:15 PM
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Somebody should fotoshop that coon pic,with a guy holding an open bottle of his lure in the foreground.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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08/14/18 03:04 PM
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Guessing the coons they are looking for won't just come from just anywhere they will be looking for select coon from certain areas more then nation wide. Where some of them coons come from will have high paying yotes also and some won't be passing on them then to chase coons. Just me thinking to myself. LOL
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: Boco]
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08/14/18 03:49 PM
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I'd like to see the beaver market wreck the yote market. All you got to do is sell them cheap. Will that help you?
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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08/14/18 03:56 PM
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pretty easy to skin flesh and stretch a coon. goes fairly fast. trap for coyotes and cats in nice weather coons will show up. don't need to run a coon line. doesn't sound like he is talking about a substantial increase.
should a guy sell those coons early or wait till spring?
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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08/14/18 04:11 PM
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I wont be selling any cheap beaver pelts in this raw fur market,just the good ones.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: Boco]
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08/14/18 04:29 PM
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I wont be selling any cheap beaver pelts in this raw fur market,just the good ones. I know what the good ones are selling for. Cheap.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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08/14/18 04:31 PM
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I thought aggressive meant that they are willing to offer a higher price than the competition to get the goods.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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08/14/18 05:04 PM
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I didnt realize small sizes had been moving. I take it that those are probably small but heavy?
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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08/14/18 05:16 PM
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Will the tariffs have any effect in the market? Or the Chinese economy? Supposed to be a 20% tariff put on raw fur going into China.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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08/14/18 05:27 PM
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Will the tariffs have any effect in the market? Or the Chinese economy? Supposed to be a 20% tariff put on raw fur going into China. Just kill 25% more. That is how I paid for the 30% tariff that is there now. LLL
Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: ShaneT]
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08/14/18 05:37 PM
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I didnt realize small sizes had been moving. I take it that those are probably small but heavy? Probably moving because they are dang near free...
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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08/14/18 05:40 PM
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If you are going to be aggressive then let’s hear a projection prices. 30 dollar basis on golden triangle coon. 15-20 dollar averages.?Get the DPS out. Who’s going to make money on these coon,hobby trappers or are guys harvesting coon for sport and your making the money. Just like to know what aggressive means. Cheap or above trappers cost to produce??!
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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08/14/18 06:38 PM
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If you are going to be aggressive then let’s hear a projection prices. 30 dollar basis on golden triangle coon. 15-20 dollar averages.?Get the DPS out. Who’s going to make money on these coon,hobby trappers or are guys killing coon for sports and your making the money. Just like to know what aggressive means. Cheap or above trappers cost to produce??! Ding ding ding. Winner winner chicken dinner.Translation means nothing to me,I need to know the price structure.Increase in price paid could be $6 instead of $4.Means nothing.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: Dave Plueger]
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08/14/18 08:10 PM
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Ha, ha...buy fur for a couple decades and than tell me if you can give a price structure in Aug.
I was told back in March that I should easily ave $10-$12 on my type of coon this up coming season.
LL....You don't try and take as many coon as you can every season? I have been for 40 plus years. I have to admit I do not go quite as hard as I probably could or that I used to. When they are averaging 30 bucks I tend to have to work harder simply because of the competition. It always drives me to go harder. I tend to sleep a little as I get older too. Let them get back up to a twenty dollar average and it will be on again. I have not forgot how to. lol,LLL
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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08/14/18 08:12 PM
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$20 in the grease for western heavies and I'm in. If not I will keep banging away on $75 Yoties and $200 Bobs.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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08/14/18 08:42 PM
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Dave tell me in August you can predict what will happen come November. I don't expect you to agree with me nor do I call you an enemy,I simply state how I see it,perhaps I am wrong.I admit,good news,but an increase can be anything from .10 cents to $10. Really doesn't mean much until the checks are written.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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08/14/18 10:47 PM
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Wasn't it about this time last year when beaver were going to shine? Hmmmm I don't know about that but if memory serves correctly it was about this time last year plus 3 weeks at the WTA rondy Guy's message was to leave 'coon alone. At least this is positive. $12 average on 'coon in the grease would be a nice baseline.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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08/15/18 12:15 AM
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Wasn't it about this time last year when beaver were going to shine? Hmmmm Shine.. No. But catch them yes. Haven't forgotten either lol.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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08/15/18 12:35 AM
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The problem is only a few states have the quality they want and yet people from all over will trap coon and then wonder why their prices suck. Exactly
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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08/15/18 08:00 AM
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I plan on trapping coon and mink like always to begin with. I have several guys lined up to come and take instruction here on my line but will be taking fewer this year than in the past. Coon trapping is a bread and butter product here. If you want to make money trapping you really need to trap coon even at lower prices. I have made money by sheer volume during these trying times in the fur industry. I am looking forward to a price increase and so are my students. Can't wait to see some big pictures from them this season. LLL
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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08/15/18 09:33 AM
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Here I believe I can make it work with just a mild increase in prices or even at last year pricing, even if coons went up to $40 (not that they will before the negative ones say I'm predicting that) but some would complain they were not $45 then! LOL Oh the drama. Some make it sound like adding sets to a line that your already running will bankrupt a guy somehow really how? So I get a few coon or skunks every check and my gas plus more is paid for that day along with the yotes and badgers I'm after. The ones being negative about any idea of making any money on coons must not plan on going after them then for whatever reasons they have. Why ruin it for the rest of us it's not like they care about us it's our line we will run them as we see fit never had any season full of guarantees that I can remember in past years it's all a crap shoot. We have plentiful amounts of skunks and coons here and big ones to boot I don't see how that will hurt me in anyway but I might lose some sleep skinning some more. Don't see how everyone will be hammering coons in areas that have poor coons as that's not what the market is looking for so why would they? If they want the many XXX plus coons I have them here and plan to go after them, the skunks I have markets for about everything skunk you can think of so why not go after them? I ask my buyer what the market is before the season starts to get an idea of how to plan for the season I suggest others do the same to see what to target in your areas.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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08/15/18 09:50 AM
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Lawdog you going to sell as they come off your stretchers or hang on to them and sell them all in the spring? Around here unless you wait for weather where the high temp is a single digit, coons will be in coyote and cat sets. Good thing is the open country most of my coyote sets are in the coons are big. Can be a royal pain in cat sets. Better than possums but still time consuming to rebuild a set. I cant see running a straight up coon line. Got enough houndsman around here that kill a few all year round population has been staying pretty healthy.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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08/15/18 10:20 AM
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I will roll and freeze mine no time to put them up during the season too much going I will pull them on the machine then straight to the freezer if they are worth pulling out of the freezer then I will if not they will be OK until we se what next year brings.
I'm mostly after the skunks for essence and the spotted ones for research they could have a big old rub spot or be summer caught and the price is still top dollar for research and the essence is pricey too on the little ones.
Main goal is yotes but a lot of nice skunk/coon spots are along the way so why not help pay some expenses don't plan to get rich but then I never did in the past! LOL
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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When money isn't the *primary* motivation for going out season after season you're not likely to be cynical about projected price increases, even marginal ones.
"...in a very few days we succeeded in taking over one hundred beaver, the skins of which were worth ten dollars per pound." Jim Beckwourth (1856)
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: mainer]
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08/15/18 10:50 AM
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When money isn't the *primary* motivation for going out season after season you're not likely to be cynical about projected price increases, even marginal ones. Money is the key motive when it comes to trapping. Yes a few say they do it for fun but where are those guys now? A ten dollar coon in the grease and I have five times the trappers in my area as when they are 6 or 8 bucks. LLL
Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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When money isn't the *primary* motivation for going out season after season you're not likely to be cynical about projected price increases, even marginal ones. Money is the key motive when it comes to trapping. Yes a few say they do it for fun but where are those guys now? A ten dollar coon in the grease and I have five times the trappers in my area as when they are 6 or 8 bucks. LLL No it's not. Trapping is the key motive when it comes to trapping. If making money is what you're after, become an investment banker, a hedge fund manager, or marry into a wealthy family. Trapping is a very poor choice if your dream is to make money. And let's not get into the usual non sequiturs about trappers not caring about prices because one's primary reason for trapping is not the money angle. I care about prices, it's a fundamental part of trapping, just as skinning and scouting and preparing traps before the season are fundamental aspects of trapping. Not placing money as your primary goal for putting traps in the ground does not diminish anyone's worth or drive as a trapper.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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Don't know anyone that ever got rich on just trapping alone maybe break even, lose a little or make a little yep, flat out rich year after year heck no!
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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The only real justifiable reason to take the life of one of God's creatures is to increase your chances of survival.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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Money is the key motive when it comes to trapping. Yes a few say they do it for fun but where are those guys now? A ten dollar coon in the grease and I have five times the trappers in my area as when they are 6 or 8 bucks. LLL
No it's not. Trapping is the key motive when it comes to trapping. If making money is what you're after, become an investment banker, a hedge fund manager, or marry into a wealthy family. Trapping is a very poor choice if your dream is to make money. And let's not get into the usual non sequiturs about trappers not caring about prices because one's primary reason for trapping is not the money angle. I care about prices, it's a fundamental part of trapping, just as skinning and scouting and preparing traps before the season are fundamental aspects of trapping. If it weren't for the money trapping as we know it would not exist. There are plenty of people that are out there making a profit and even a living from trapping even with the market we have now. Trapping has always been primarily about profit going all the way back to the very beginning of settlement of North America. You think those mountain men were out there trapping for kicks? I figure that the whole "hobby" aspect of trapping is a fairly new aspect. Once again, if it were not for the money, trapping as it is now would not exist. You would have Government trappers and a few NWCO's and that would be it.
"Good Lord, thank you for your endless bounty. Lord please give me the strength to gather what I need"
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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Although I enjoy trapping as much as the next guy I would never trap for the sport of it. I expect when I trap that I will make something on it. To suggest to the world you like to kill for fun is somewhat looked down on by society at large. I am a commercial trapper which suggests I do it mainly for the commerce.
I in no way am saying that if you do trap for a hobby that it is wrong. Most will agree that it is not a bad thing to make money on it though. LLL
Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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With some people it's not the same as everyone else. Can't remember who said it but they said, "I don't trap for the money the money allows me to trap."
So some lose a bit some break even and some make a buck and all 3 can still be happy when the season is over let them enjoy what they enjoy doing.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: Law Dog]
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With some people it's not the same as everyone else. Can't remember who said it but they said, "I don't trap for the money the money allows me to trap."
So some lose a bit some break even and some make a buck and all 3 can still be happy when the season is over let them enjoy what they enjoy doing. That is right. LLL
Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
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Coon prices are expected to increase because a bunch of smart business trappers laid off them when prices went in the toilet. If their were more smart business trappers around prices wouldn't stay in the toilet as long as they do.
When I want a fire to go out, I don't keep putting wood on the fire.
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Who is John Galt?
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6302480
08/15/18 11:55 AM
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Law Dog
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They should it's nice to have them around, why should it not be about the money for them too in the end if it's about the money for us? LOL
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6302482
08/15/18 11:56 AM
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mainer
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And let's not get into the usual non sequiturs about trappers not caring about prices because one's primary reason for trapping is not the money angle. I care about prices, it's a fundamental part of trapping, just as skinning and scouting and preparing traps before the season are fundamental aspects of trapping.
"...in a very few days we succeeded in taking over one hundred beaver, the skins of which were worth ten dollars per pound." Jim Beckwourth (1856)
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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08/15/18 12:12 PM
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mainer
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Let me put it another way, if I couldn't sell my furs and/or get some sort of monetary return on the animals that I caught (ADC work for example), I wouldn't trap. It would be a monumental waste of a resource and immoral to simply toss the animals to rot. BUT it doesn't follow from this that, therefore, the only or primary reason I trap is to make money at it, namely, to make a profit.
"...in a very few days we succeeded in taking over one hundred beaver, the skins of which were worth ten dollars per pound." Jim Beckwourth (1856)
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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08/15/18 12:13 PM
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Law Dog
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It's the big coons they want now the one's in demand they will pay more for now, a strong economy has seldom been a great friend to the fur markets overall. Recessions have always improved prices as a whole. In a strong economy you give them what they want and with the tariffs nobody really knows what will happen when the season rolls around.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6302496
08/15/18 12:19 PM
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Law Dog
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If most trapper did a serious audit you will find what your really making on trapping is not a lot unless your super efficient and organized, you start to figure your investments in supplies, gas and expenses you might come out OK then figure your time into it and what amount are you working for then?
You could make more easier then trapping with a part time job really in most cases.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: Dirt]
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08/15/18 12:30 PM
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handitrapper
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The only real justifiable reason to take the life of one of God's creatures is to increase your chances of survival. Or because they keep knocking over my trash cans.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: Law Dog]
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08/15/18 12:30 PM
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If most trapper did a serious audit you will find what your really making on trapping is not a lot unless your super efficient and organized, you start to figure your investments in supplies, gas and expenses you might come out OK then figure your time into it and what amount are you working for then?
You could make more easier then trapping with a part time job really in most cases. When you do it as a business you know. A serious audit is when the IRS sends you a letter in June. Then you had better know it all. LLL
Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
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[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6302509
08/15/18 12:36 PM
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Law Dog
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Wildlife management 101 you cannot stockpile wildlife until needed later with to many factors involved like nuisance issues and road kills to keep the numbers is check somewhat, how do we know we have a lot of a species often by the amount of the ones hit on the roads.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: LLtrapper]
#6302511
08/15/18 12:38 PM
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Law Dog
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If most trapper did a serious audit you will find what your really making on trapping is not a lot unless your super efficient and organized, you start to figure your investments in supplies, gas and expenses you might come out OK then figure your time into it and what amount are you working for then?
You could make more easier then trapping with a part time job really in most cases. When you do it as a business you know. A serious audit is when the IRS sends you a letter in June. Then you had better know it all. LLL Be honest and they will owe you! LOL
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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08/15/18 12:39 PM
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BBarnes
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Thanks GFW for the update it is very much appreciated.
No where did I read that it is mandatory that you sale to GFW. Send them to NAFA and wait for your money, that's your right to sell to who YOU choose.
Same old argument every year, pleasure vs money.
B
Last edited by BBarnes; 08/15/18 12:42 PM.
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[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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08/15/18 12:50 PM
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Law Dog
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More like doom and gloom if I don't do you better not either! LOL
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: Boco]
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08/15/18 12:53 PM
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wy.wolfer
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I'd like to see the beaver market wreck the yote market. And they smell soooo...... much better when you skin and flesh them.
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[Re: Dirt]
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08/15/18 01:02 PM
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The only real justifiable reason to take the life of one of God's creatures is to increase your chances of survival. Now that was well said!!
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[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6302579
08/15/18 02:30 PM
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Law Dog
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The kid trapping before and after school and catches enough to buy a new rifle is miles ahead of us all! LOL I think some folks have forgot about those days.
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Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: wy.wolfer]
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08/15/18 02:34 PM
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The only real justifiable reason to take the life of one of God's creatures is to increase your chances of survival. Now that was well said!! Nobody even said anything about wasting any animals that would be stupid just more drama! Nuisance trapping calls would increase and the taxi or craft markets would be an option also if the fur prices got that low. All of the negative trappers you not trapping this year then?
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: wy.wolfer]
#6302600
08/15/18 02:49 PM
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Calvin
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The only real justifiable reason to take the life of one of God's creatures is to increase your chances of survival. Now that was well said!! Well I don't trap for survival. I have enough money (and food). Many of us trap for the animals survival...it's called Wildlife Management...and it's very important to some of us.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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08/15/18 04:53 PM
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mink99
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To me marketing fur is as much fun as trapping it.
I plan on getting as many coon as I can as I do every year.
ITA, NTA, FTA
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: teepee2]
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08/15/18 04:57 PM
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ShaneT
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I trap for fun. I have noticed that a 10$ coon is twice as much FUN as a 5$ coon, and 20$ coon is twice as much fun as a 10$ coon and on and on. so I'm am hoping to have more FUN this year. Ha!
"Good Lord, thank you for your endless bounty. Lord please give me the strength to gather what I need"
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[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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08/15/18 07:27 PM
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Ditchdiver
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I trap for the money. I want to be rich and never have to work another day in my life........ I haven't succeeded yet In all seriousness, I trap because I love it. I'm happy if I break even and really happy if I make a profit. That's not always the case, but I'll be out there setting steel either way.
When life gets me down..... you know hunting/trapping season is closed.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: wetdog]
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08/15/18 07:32 PM
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proratman
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I for one don't care what the market says about prices. I do it because I enjoy it. And every year I get 1 or 2 young people into trapping. That to me is better than money. The look on the face of a young trappers first catch is worth more than all the gold i n the world. And I can't stop because I'm addicted to fur. 1$ or 100$ fur makes no difference to me. I LOVE FUR X2
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: jbyrd63]
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08/15/18 07:42 PM
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blackhammer
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Sounds like a bunch of whiney old women. Geez trap them or not . All he said was that there will be interest in them based on inventory. He never said look out 30 dollar coons a coming. You want to talk about what you’re having for dinner. This is a trapping site Easy to call someone’ a whiny old woman online ain’t it ? If you don’t like the thread don’t read it
Last edited by blackhammer; 08/15/18 08:22 PM.
Ah,for the life of a millionaire,say some,but just let me stay a trapper. Bill Nelson
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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08/15/18 08:08 PM
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Dirt
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How many kids trap to make money to buy stuff These days? You know you have to make money for this to even be possible.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6302779
08/15/18 08:36 PM
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Law Dog
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Not sure why you trap if you trap for money but then money can't be made? LOL
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6302782
08/15/18 08:41 PM
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Dirt
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I want to make more. Always.
I want every trapper to make money; not just me.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6302788
08/15/18 08:53 PM
08/15/18 08:53 PM
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Law Dog
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Guess I missed the promoting trapping part of all of this I just don't get it how all of the negative will result in a positive?
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: Boco]
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08/15/18 08:56 PM
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Law Dog
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The largest profit margins in the fur industry by far are manufacturing and retail. Just like the farmers they pay more for the box then the product that's in it!
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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08/15/18 09:02 PM
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Law Dog
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Everyone cares about prices just some more then others, not a lot of folks jumping at 3-4 dollar coons but some are willing to deal with them in the $10 range if they have them that are worth that.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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08/15/18 09:05 PM
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Posts: 45,492 james bay frontierOnt.
Boco
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Some people depend on fur money for part of their income.You will see those trappers trap more fur when the price per pelt drops to maintain the necessary income to provide for their family. In essence they are working harder for the same money.
Last edited by Boco; 08/15/18 09:06 PM.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6302831
08/15/18 09:22 PM
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Law Dog
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I will contact my buyer in late Sept and see what he wants and then I will know for sure what I'm going after then, a guy just need to be prepared just incase he's the guy that writes the checks!
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: hippie]
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08/15/18 09:49 PM
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Dirt
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That's all fine and dandy. This thread is about the money. I think there may be a special GFW thread that gives the fun fur forecast. Coon trapping predicted to be extra double fun in 2019.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: 4488]
#6302949
08/15/18 10:43 PM
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mink99
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Everybody needs to be reminded that a couple of years ago nafa sold a lot of raccoon skins to speculators,AKA,"themselves", for whatever and with free storage for for awhile. Well, those skins (possibly one million) are still in storage. This whole delimna is not going to get better. Fashion, ranch mink,and lack of promation is killing the wild fur market. And the biggest problem is, nobody seems to give a sh*#. Make that, Those that could be doing more are not. 40+ years in the business and very disappointed. I wish you would expand on what you just said Terry. Could learn a lot from you.
ITA, NTA, FTA
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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08/15/18 10:47 PM
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mink99
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The one advantage of fresh skins is they usually dress better as a whole than “stale” skins. Which is why I never understood why some buyers speculate on certain furs unless they know they can get rid of them sooner rather than later.
ITA, NTA, FTA
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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08/16/18 02:08 AM
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Posts: 4,369 N.C MO
TONY.F
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its good to hear there may or may not be a increase. But you can bet I'm still telling everyone they are worthless. Higher prices bring out the scum of the earth. Id like to know were those trillions of stored coon hides went? GRAND CANYON is the only ditch I know of that's deep enough!
LIVE LIFE LIKE THEIR IS NO TOMMORROW
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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08/16/18 05:02 AM
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Posts: 3,012 USA MN
Snowpa
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The problem with the coon market is anyone with ambition can go out and catch 500 coon. Try that with cats or coyotes!
Never Confuse Stupid With Crazy
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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08/16/18 06:00 AM
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BATMAN wants ridge runnin boars and any good size incidentally caught ones.heck i'm thinkin of catching some that make the big tracks i've been walking by.between being smart and picky,i'll go with fresh goods with perfect put up and see what happens.just gonna go back to doin what i do and let the pringles fall where they may.try to get to a couple auctions known for peein contests between buyers is also on my list.
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[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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08/16/18 06:13 AM
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Posts: 8,346 Firth, Nebraska
jabNE
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Even at bottom prices they pay better than possums and I don't complain when I get nice big boars in our sets here. I have a couple farms that want us to trap them too.
Money cannot buy you happiness, but it can buy you a trapping license and that's pretty close.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: blackhammer]
#6303058
08/16/18 07:00 AM
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jbyrd63
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Sounds like a bunch of whiney old women. Geez trap them or not . All he said was that there will be interest in them based on inventory. He never said look out 30 dollar coons a coming. You want to talk about what you’re having for dinner. This is a trapping site Easy to call someone’ a whiny old woman online ain’t it ? If you don’t like the thread don’t read it HAVE NEVER participated in ANY of the dinner threads. Plus bet if we wanted to or even cared to look you have talked about a lot of things beside trapping on here. We all have . But your comment just proved you don't fall into the whiney woman category , Your just a grouchey old Fa_t !!!!
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: jbyrd63]
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08/16/18 07:49 AM
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LLtrapper
"The Coon Combine"
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HAVE NEVER participated in ANY of the dinner threads. Plus bet if we wanted to or even cared to look you have talked about a lot of things beside trapping on here. We all have . But your comment just proved you don't fall into the whiney woman category , Your just a grouchey old Fa_t !!!! I am guessing you really know nothing of the history that most midwestern/ northern trappers have had with GFW and their "fur outlook". Not enough information for most to be able to make a decision about what they will do when the season comes. It is not whining when you are skeptical of a fur report coming from someone who said last season that coon markets were non existant and that the beaver season would be the ticket. Have you ever caught enough coon to have a skin in this game? Paul has forgot more about coon trapping than some ever will know. Like me , he has seen a few things in his "old" age. lol, LLL
Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
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[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6303097
08/16/18 08:16 AM
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Posts: 28,978 potter co. p.a.
pcr2
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can't,they won't buy PA fur unless i do the illegal thing and take it across the border into ny.buuutttt i have my ny lisc. this year for just such an emergency.that and our rat and mink close jan 6 or 7 and it kills me to have you guys trappin a mile from my house.having worked in the put up business for 30 yrs has always left me many options for my own fur.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: pcr2]
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08/16/18 08:28 AM
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whartonrattrappe
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can't,they won't buy PA fur unless i do the illegal thing and take it across the border into ny.buuutttt i have my ny lisc. this year for just such an emergency.that and our rat and mink close jan 6 or 7 and it kills me to have you guys trappin a mile from my house.having worked in the put up business for 30 yrs has always left me many options for my own fur. You can get tags from the game commission office. The reason I asked if you sold to them is because I have and have been happy with what I was paid. I will continue to sell to them despite all the negative I had heard ON HERE before they ever started buying in NY. It's nice to have options...gets the local buyers attention.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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08/16/18 08:31 AM
08/16/18 08:31 AM
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they have my interest and i am not tied to anyone now.hope to have fur in some of those ny sales the boys get frisky at too.been to dozens of peein matches over the years where the first words outta my mouth on the ride home was"boy do i wish i had my fur in that sale."
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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08/16/18 08:44 AM
08/16/18 08:44 AM
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and brings about collusion between buyers. .i hate it.about like my 20 beaver limit.took them all from a 300 yd stretch for a good landowner with big problems last season and believe there might be that many back there already.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: whartonrattrappe]
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08/16/18 08:48 AM
08/16/18 08:48 AM
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wetdog
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pcr2 while we're talking about it seems archaic that PA. will only allow in state buyers. Seems political to me.. also no doubt holds the prices down. I don't know where you heard that. But I know of one from Ohio that comes to Pa sales.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: whartonrattrappe]
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08/16/18 09:04 AM
08/16/18 09:04 AM
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Posts: 8,540 Henderson, N.Y. Jefferson Co.
walleyed
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pcr2 while we're talking about it seems archaic that PA. will only allow in state buyers. Seems political to me.. also no doubt holds the prices down. and brings about collusion between buyers. wink.i hate it.about like my 20 beaver limit.took them all from a 300 yd stretch for a good landowner with big problems last season and believe there might be that many back there already. \ PA Fur Buyer Collusion, And the Pennslyvania Game Commission's ban on Out of State Fur Buyers is a Criminal Enterprise which should be prosecuted under the Federal RICO ACT!!! w
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"Provisional/Interim" member of NYS Trappers Association Jefferson Co. Fur Harvesters
I Support Non-Resident Trapping
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: pcr2]
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08/16/18 09:17 AM
08/16/18 09:17 AM
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jbyrd63
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and brings about collusion between buyers. .i hate it.about like my 20 beaver limit.took them all from a 300 yd stretch for a good landowner with big problems last season and believe there might be that many back there already. To add to this point and make you NAFA guys mad in the process,. What do you think a PT sale DURING the auction really is at NAFA , FHA or any AUCTION. It involves some sort of collusion or the buyers would bid and get the item when it is auctioned. Any of you guys ever been to a livestock auction? Pen hookers are ask to leave !!! Oh I'm sorry some of you educated northerners may not know what a pen hooker is. Its a person or company that buys auction items (cows in this case) that aren't sold on the auction floor. Would they bring more if the items were bid on? Maybe ..........
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: whartonrattrappe]
#6303153
08/16/18 09:20 AM
08/16/18 09:20 AM
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hippie
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[quote=wetdogI don't know where you heard that. But I know of one from Ohio that comes to Pa sales. I may be wrong about that, was told that buy my nephew in PA. [/quote] Non-residents can buy a fur dealer permit just like a resident.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: jbyrd63]
#6303156
08/16/18 09:21 AM
08/16/18 09:21 AM
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hippie
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and brings about collusion between buyers. .i hate it.about like my 20 beaver limit.took them all from a 300 yd stretch for a good landowner with big problems last season and believe there might be that many back there already. To add to this point and make you NAFA guys mad in the process,. What do you think a PT sale DURING the auction really is at NAFA , FHA or any AUCTION. It involves some sort of collusion or the buyers would bid and get the item when it is auctioned. Any of you guys ever been to a livestock auction? Pen hookers are ask to leave !!! Oh I'm sorry some of you educated northerners may not know what a pen hooker is. Its a person or company that buys auction items (cows in this case) that aren't sold on the auction floor. Would they bring more if the items were bid on? Maybe .......... They are not talking about NAFA, follow along.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: jbyrd63]
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08/16/18 09:22 AM
08/16/18 09:22 AM
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Posts: 3,635 Pottawatamie co. IA
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"The Coon Combine"
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I started trapping 43 years ago this season. Just turned 12 at the time. Seen it all , ups, downs . So yes I have sold my share of coons. Coon hunted in the 70's when coon around here where scarce. Lived thru the 60 dollar grey fox and the 8 dollar reds. Haven't trapped every year during that time because of work and later a major surgery that took me down for couple years.
But all I know is the way I read the opening statement was there may be more interest in coon this up coming season. Didn't quote anyone a price and then not follow thru. From my experience folks better be glad there is even a market to sell too. Oh but you may be one of those guys that send it to NAFA and let it set for 3 years , then sell it for .50. In my opinion a 5 dollar coon that you get your money for on the spot is better than a .50 cent critter you get paid for 2-3 years later (if ever). The hope is that that 5 dollar coon may turn into a 12 dollar coon. But guess we think different down here in Ky. Waiting on your .50 must mean more to you northern guys as long as you can say "I sell may fur to a fur auction" Coat coon and what I am talking about in a coon are quite different. I think the coon he is talking about are not coming from your area so I can see where 5.00 sounds good for you. It is an insult to me. I have sent 1000s of coon to the auctions and have overall done as good if not better than selling in the country. I have sold 1000s of coon to GFW and have also done very well. As a producer I try to market my fur to those who want to pay for them. If it is GFW I will sell to them, if it is the guys out East speculating, I sell to them and their buyers and if it is the Chinese wanting to make knock off parkas I will sell to them. Heck I will sell directly to Putin if he pays in green backs. LLL
Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6303161
08/16/18 09:28 AM
08/16/18 09:28 AM
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blackhammer
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Thanks LLL. I may be a grouchy old fart. LOL. Trapping coon is a part of who we are. This fur market has made a lot of us a little grouchy
Ah,for the life of a millionaire,say some,but just let me stay a trapper. Bill Nelson
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: LLtrapper]
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08/16/18 09:30 AM
08/16/18 09:30 AM
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walleyed
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Heck I will sell directly to Putin if he pays in green backs. LLL So It wasn't the Russians that interfered in the 2016 International Wild Fur Auctions, It Was The COON COMBINE !!! w
"Provisional/Interim" member of NYS Trappers Association Jefferson Co. Fur Harvesters
I Support Non-Resident Trapping
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6303175
08/16/18 09:47 AM
08/16/18 09:47 AM
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Posts: 4,548 Cleveland IL
muddyriverdogz
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Fake news.
I'll believe it when i see it.
Probably pay you 3 dollars intead of 2.
You only live once, so get over it!
Tactics may change but the goal remains the same.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6303180
08/16/18 09:54 AM
08/16/18 09:54 AM
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Posts: 34,873 Central, SD
Law Dog
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It seems being optimistic is bad but being negative and even threating with offering zero help is good, gotta love that! LOL
Sent email to my buyer will see what he says he want's that determines more then other people talking about different coons in another areas of the Country.
Spot on Calvin!
Last edited by Law Dog; 08/16/18 09:55 AM.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: walleyed]
#6303198
08/16/18 10:25 AM
08/16/18 10:25 AM
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Posts: 3,635 Pottawatamie co. IA
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"The Coon Combine"
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"The Coon Combine"
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Heck I will sell directly to Putin if he pays in green backs. LLL So It wasn't the Russians that interfered in the 2016 International Wild Fur Auctions, It Was The COON COMBINE !!! w I appreciate you keeping that on the down low. LLL
Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: Calvin]
#6303200
08/16/18 10:26 AM
08/16/18 10:26 AM
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Posts: 13,138 Ky
jbyrd63
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I understand what jbyrd63 is saying. Guys like GFW and the likes keep a lot of trappers trapping. The more outlet options we have for our fur the better off we all are.
We can all agree that coon quality and size range quite abit from area to area. No matter what area you live in, we all need a viable reason to trap. The critters still need managing.
Why does this always turn into whos got the biggest Pee Pee contest?
And yes, I poo pooed the original post as I've seen it in the past, but in hindsight it's nice to see hear something positive at this point. Hope it materializes is all, as we all have our doubts. Thanks, Glad someone understands where I'm coming from....
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: blackhammer]
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08/16/18 10:29 AM
08/16/18 10:29 AM
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Posts: 13,138 Ky
jbyrd63
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Thanks LLL. I may be a grouchy old fart. LOL. Trapping coon is a part of who we are. This fur market has made a lot of us a little grouchy Nothing personal. LOL My wife just called me a grouchey old far_ !!! Some days she is spot on .....
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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08/16/18 10:36 AM
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I live in a good coon area with a quality fur when harvested at the right time and so I will pursue them then.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6303228
08/16/18 10:54 AM
08/16/18 10:54 AM
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Posts: 11,184 Armpit, ak
Dirt
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Coyote guys can you see the writing on the wall? Do I buy 10 big heavy raccoon for $100 or a coyote for a $100 to trim a coat?
Who is John Galt?
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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08/16/18 11:15 AM
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MsgRet
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Yet another evolution of the fur industry.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: Dirt]
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08/16/18 11:24 AM
08/16/18 11:24 AM
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"The Coon Combine"
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Coyote guys can you see the writing on the wall? Do I buy 10 big heavy raccoon for $100 or a coyote for a $100 to trim a coat? Here it is in a nutshell. Eastern and semiheavies beware. LLL
Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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08/16/18 12:28 PM
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MsgRet
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I can count on prime Wisconsin coons of good size to be quality. Yotes here are a crapshoot.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: Dirt]
#6303371
08/16/18 02:19 PM
08/16/18 02:19 PM
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Posts: 1,447 idaho
wallfur
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Coyote guys can you see the writing on the wall? Do I buy 10 big heavy raccoon for $100 or a coyote for a $100 to trim a coat? .....no way!that wont happen my coyotes are certifided!!!!!!!lol
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: Law Dog]
#6303400
08/16/18 02:57 PM
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Posts: 19,719 pa
hippie
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Fiendish plot for Moose and Yote trappers! LOL LOL, I think Canada Goose knows they can't change laws, I was just making fun. Like i said on that other thread, they know (i hope!)states will tell them to pound sand if they try to get us to give up traps like Canada did to appease the anti's. Trying to get 50 states to comply would be an undertaking. Signing a paper that we followed all laws? No problem.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6303687
08/16/18 09:47 PM
08/16/18 09:47 PM
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Posts: 11,187 Oregon
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Somebody mentioned that Groeny's were promoting the idea of going after beaver last year. If I recall correctly (and I always do), it was for the hatter market and their notion was that with higher castor prices to add to the pelt price you could still turn a profit.
I only trapped beaver for 3 weeks last year but I did gross $1000/week. So, they was right! (And I only averaged $7.50 a pelt).
My fear of moving stairs is escalating!
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: beaverpeeler]
#6303846
08/17/18 07:04 AM
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Posts: 4,657 Mountain View, AR
ShaneT
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Somebody mentioned that Groeny's were promoting the idea of going after beaver last year. If I recall correctly (and I always do), it was for the hatter market and their notion was that with higher castor prices to add to the pelt price you could still turn a profit.
I only trapped beaver for 3 weeks last year but I did gross $1000/week. So, they was right! (And I only averaged $7.50 a pelt).
Stop putting ideas in my head
"Good Lord, thank you for your endless bounty. Lord please give me the strength to gather what I need"
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: hippie]
#6303864
08/17/18 07:32 AM
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Posts: 548 NY
whartonrattrappe
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I may be wrong about that, was told that buy my nephew in PA.
Non-residents can buy a fur dealer permit just like a resident. Thanks for clarifying that. Do you know the cost of the dealer permit in state /out of state? And do you need to have the fur tagged individually to cross state lines?
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6303875
08/17/18 07:58 AM
08/17/18 07:58 AM
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Posts: 28,978 potter co. p.a.
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its not the money for the permit,its the paperwork and other things that come with it i think is keepin groeny away from PA.just my opinion.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: beaverpeeler]
#6303881
08/17/18 08:10 AM
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Posts: 10,472 mn north of blakely
Steven 49er
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Somebody mentioned that Groeny's were promoting the idea of going after beaver last year. If I recall correctly (and I always do), it was for the hatter market and their notion was that with higher castor prices to add to the pelt price you could still turn a profit.
I only trapped beaver for 3 weeks last year but I did gross $1000/week. So, they was right! (And I only averaged $7.50 a pelt). I hope the pelts were sold green for that price otherwise I think I'd cry for the amount of work that went into each one for that little return.
"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: Steven 49er]
#6303930
08/17/18 09:08 AM
08/17/18 09:08 AM
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Posts: 13,138 Ky
jbyrd63
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Somebody mentioned that Groeny's were promoting the idea of going after beaver last year. If I recall correctly (and I always do), it was for the hatter market and their notion was that with higher castor prices to add to the pelt price you could still turn a profit.
I only trapped beaver for 3 weeks last year but I did gross $1000/week. So, they was right! (And I only averaged $7.50 a pelt). I hope the pelts were sold green for that price otherwise I think I'd cry for the amount of work that went into each one for that little return. He didn't say but I bet that 1000 included pelt AND castor
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6303949
08/17/18 09:38 AM
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Posts: 34,873 Central, SD
Law Dog
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My dealer said he bought some rough beaver and sold them to Groney for that without the castors in the grease they wanted them that way. 7-8 bucks a beaver
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6304035
08/17/18 11:48 AM
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Posts: 11,184 Armpit, ak
Dirt
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I averaged $75 for the two beaver I sold yesterday. Who cares about what I sold the meat and castor for?
Who is John Galt?
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6304056
08/17/18 12:39 PM
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Posts: 11,184 Armpit, ak
Dirt
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I can sell about 50. 50 x $75 = $3750
150 x $10 = $1500.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6304073
08/17/18 01:15 PM
08/17/18 01:15 PM
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Posts: 11,187 Oregon
beaverpeeler
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$7.50 was put up fur sold at the K.Falls OTC sale. (There was only one beaver buyer and he was grinning ear to ear all day long). And BTW, probably half to 2/3rds of those beaver were legitimate Section III. But, I also sold carcasses at $5 (MINUS THE HEADS), good XL heads st $3, sac oil, empty sacs, and castor at about $15-$16 per beaver. My overall avg was about $30.
My fear of moving stairs is escalating!
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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08/17/18 01:58 PM
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Weren't we discussing Raccoon?
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
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#6304117
08/17/18 02:53 PM
08/17/18 02:53 PM
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Posts: 34,873 Central, SD
Law Dog
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Weren't we discussing Raccoon? Yes the consensus is of others have some stuck in limbo you should not trap until theirs are sold and they would do the same for you! If you have good coon they want and can trap them IF the price goes up and make a little money then your a fool! See first sentence for reason. Coons have it out for Coyotes and both cannot sell well at the same time it's a trick!
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6304149
08/17/18 03:40 PM
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Posts: 2,808 WI
handitrapper
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If I was fairly certain to avg. $15 for put-up coon, I would seriously consider trapping them again. And I’m not talking about cherry picking or selling meat too. Just a straight up avg. “FOR SKINS!”
Last edited by handitrapper; 08/18/18 07:54 PM.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: pcr2]
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08/17/18 04:11 PM
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Posts: 4,657 Mountain View, AR
ShaneT
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^^^For the thread win^^^^
"Good Lord, thank you for your endless bounty. Lord please give me the strength to gather what I need"
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: handitrapper]
#6304160
08/17/18 04:11 PM
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ShaneT
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If I was fairly certain to avg. $15 for put-up coon, I would seriously consider trapping them again. And I’m not talking about cherry picking or selling meat too. Just a straight up avg. How is meat not part of the average if you have a market?
"Good Lord, thank you for your endless bounty. Lord please give me the strength to gather what I need"
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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08/17/18 04:28 PM
08/17/18 04:28 PM
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Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 622 Wisconsin
Lance Squires
trapper
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trapper
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 622
Wisconsin
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Shane, We can't sell the carcasses here in Wisconsin for a meat market.
57 years trapping. It's who I am. Every day is still as exciting as it was when I was a kid but a little more work.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: Law Dog]
#6304180
08/17/18 04:52 PM
08/17/18 04:52 PM
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Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 11,184 Armpit, ak
Dirt
trapper
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trapper
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 11,184
Armpit, ak
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Weren't we discussing Raccoon? Yes the consensus is of others have some stuck in limbo you should not trap until theirs are sold and they would do the same for you! If you have good coon they want and can trap them IF the price goes up and make a little money then your a fool! See first sentence for reason. Coons have it out for Coyotes and both cannot sell well at the same time it's a trick! I know this was a long time ago, but do you remember when rats were bringing $10 plus averages, then the buyers switched to cheap ranch mink and you couldn't give a rat away? The buyers switching to ranch mink did not bring up the price of ranch mink much if any, it just drove the price a rats way down. Simple concept.
Last edited by Dirt; 08/17/18 05:04 PM.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: Lance Squires]
#6304183
08/17/18 05:06 PM
08/17/18 05:06 PM
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Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 4,657 Mountain View, AR
ShaneT
trapper
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trapper
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 4,657
Mountain View, AR
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1) I don’t have a market. I’m talking fur only Shane, We can't sell the carcasses here in Wisconsin for a meat market. Got it. I suspected you may not. It sure does help the old avg. if you do.
"Good Lord, thank you for your endless bounty. Lord please give me the strength to gather what I need"
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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08/17/18 05:24 PM
08/17/18 05:24 PM
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MsgRet
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MsgRet
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At 74 I never stay home and not trap cause I don't know how many years I have left. Even as a hobby trapper I can make some money on muskrats on sheer volume. I have stayed shy of coon lately cause a $6 XXL in the grease hurts my pride a little. Perhaps that's why talk of a price bump by Mr.G is encouraging. Frankly all the trickery and tomfoolery suggested about the fur market, true or false, does not phase me very much. What paltry wages I do make covers gas and Christmas.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6304218
08/17/18 06:04 PM
08/17/18 06:04 PM
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Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,808 WI
handitrapper
trapper
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trapper
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,808
WI
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Geez Law Dog, You live in one of the greatest states for hunting, fishing, and trapping! You’re saying you couldn’t find something else to do besides trap? I certainly could.
Last edited by handitrapper; 08/17/18 06:05 PM.
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Re: GFW-Raccon market update
[Re: handitrapper]
#6304224
08/17/18 06:17 PM
08/17/18 06:17 PM
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Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 34,873 Central, SD
Law Dog
trapper
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trapper
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 34,873
Central, SD
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Geez Law Dog, You live in one of the greatest states for hunting, fishing, and trapping! You’re saying you couldn’t find something else to do besides trap? I certainly could. It's like the Godfather they just keep dragging me back in! LOL I have done a LOT here deer, antelope, elk and turkey I have taken deer I only dreamed about getting in the Midwest on a regular basis Mulies and Whitetails. I keep it moving at all times plenty to do here. Gearing up for goose and ducks this year as the lake is ripe for it water is up into the heavy weeds and planting clover soon all from the back yard fall out of bed and be hunting in 2 minutes. Living the dream really I love it here SD has been very good to me for the last 40 years.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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