outlaw buys a gun
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https://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/articl...-3-13161297.phpend insta check. it doesn't work. in spite of what your told it is a federal registry of firearms owners. it would still be top secret that the feds are illegally monitoring all your electronic communication except for a lawbreaker. the genious in the article just used a stolen i.d. didn't even pay extra by buying one from his drug dealer
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Re: outlaw buys a gun
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Background checks SHOULD be unnecessary. Anybody should be able to buy a gun to protect themselves if they so desire. Even mentally ill and felons. Mentally ill people statistically don't commit crime at a higher rate than non mentally ill people, and are statistically more likely to be a victim of violent crime than the average person. If anything, an argument could be made that they have more need for a defensive weapon than the average person. As far as felons, once you're out of jail and off parole/probation, your debt has been payed. If you cant trust a felon to have a firearm because you think they are still dangerous and might use it to harm someone, then that person should still be behind bars. We don't need potentially dangerous people running around, gun or not.
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Re: outlaw buys a gun
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Background checks SHOULD be unnecessary. Anybody should be able to buy a gun to protect themselves if they so desire. Even mentally ill and felons. Mentally ill people statistically don't commit crime at a higher rate than non mentally ill people, and are statistically more likely to be a victim of violent crime than the average person. If anything, an argument could be made that they have more need for a defensive weapon than the average person. As far as felons, once you're out of jail and off parole/probation, your debt has been payed. If you cant trust a felon to have a firearm because you think they are still dangerous and might use it to harm someone, then that person should still be behind bars. We don't need potentially dangerous people running around, gun or not. Good points.
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Re: outlaw buys a gun
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Re: outlaw buys a gun
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What burns my butt is they often do nothing to the ones that try to buy a firearm illegally if they enforced the laws on the books maybe they would not be creating more laws they will not enforce then!
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Re: outlaw buys a gun
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I guess this theory could be quickly tested. Just go to a psych hospital and a maximum security prison and pass out some loaded pistols and revolvers. Ear plugs should be supplied as well.
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Re: outlaw buys a gun
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They aren't going to give up the NICS check...it should be tossed out ,Yes...but they won't. If by 'they' you mean republican suit dummies at the federal level you are correct. They have the levers of power and now is the time to get the ball rolling on ending nics, the ATF and the NFA.
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Re: outlaw buys a gun
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I guess this theory could be quickly tested. Just go to a psych hospital and a maximum security prison and pass out some loaded pistols and revolvers. Ear plugs should be supplied as well. Yep that is a crazy though but it might change those statistics in a hurry! LOL
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Re: outlaw buys a gun
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The flaw is its unconstitutional. What is legal is to keep people that are to dangerous to release locked up
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: outlaw buys a gun
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People willing to commit murder armed robbery etc dont really care how many other laws they break. Ncis does nothing to prevent them from being armed. It only effects the people you dont need to fear
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: outlaw buys a gun
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100% true After every shooting all you hear about is excuse's didn't get reported, understaffed, antiquated equipment our Gov. doesn't want any responsibility or liability So the politicians try to make honest folk give up their rights voluntarily While i'm here anyone see video of Cops getting murdered I haven't
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Re: outlaw buys a gun
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Must not of heard about the 5 in Dallas it sounds like and the other 1000s that have been murdered dumb a statement as I ever read in along time happens all of the time. FYI Cops don't make the laws politicians do! Must be sarcasm my God it has to be!
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Re: outlaw buys a gun
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This post is in response to a news story where 3 cops were shot by a guy should never have gotten out of prison
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: outlaw buys a gun
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They aren't going to give up the NICS check...it should be tossed out ,Yes...but they won't. If by 'they' you mean republican suit dummies at the federal level you are correct. They have the levers of power and now is the time to get the ball rolling on ending nics, the ATF and the NFA. Never gonna happen, that's a dream of some kind. Even your smoked-up party doesn't have one guy who says to eliminate what you posted. Dream on....
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Re: outlaw buys a gun
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FlyinFinn a robbery sentence should most definitely not be a life sentence. Long prison terms are strange to me. The point of prison is supposed to be punishment and rehabilitation correct? As far as the punishment is concerned, it seems excessive to put someone in prison for something, we'll use robbery for an example, and let them rot there until they're an old man. If after five years or so someone still can't decide whether prison is worth a life of crime or not, you likely will never learn. Same for rehabilitation. If you cant learn that crime is wrong in five years or so, you'll likely never learn. In which case, you don't belong around decent people. If someone can serve their time and learn to be a decent member of society, then by all means, let 'em out and restore all their rights. But if someone is going to reoffend, then they should never be out in the first place. I know that that's not something that can be predicted, though. My first instinct would be some sort of two strikes and you're out system. Say someone robs someone. They go to prison for a couple years, learn a trade in the meantime, and come out a changed man. That's fine. Give that man all his rights back. But if said man goes and robs again, then he's proven that he's not fit to be around decent people and shouldn't ever be let out. I'm not advocating life sentences for second offense robbery per se, but a life sentence to protect society from someone who has proven himselve to be a criminal who won't learn.
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