6.5 cr vs 270
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I have heard "6.5 creedmore 6.5creedmore " until I want to puke. Yes glad some have found the "newest fad" to play and tinker with. But I knew from reloading everything from a 221 fireball up to a 300 win mag that there was NOWAY a 6.5 shot as flat as a 270. Well go ahead and start telling me about your "special loads" but I just looked at SEVERAL ballistic charts and if you have comparable bullets ( factory or hand load) the 270 shoots flatter. ACCORDING to the ballistic charts. Oh yes. AT EVERY RANGE. The 6.5 was better on some charts with drift but not all. On this one the 130 gr 270 shot flatter than the 120 6.5 https://ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/6-5-creedmoor-versus-270-winchester/In this testing 270 wins. 500 yrds 270 wins ???? Guess I just getting to old to "jump" on any band wagons.... LOL
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Re: 6.5 cr vs 270
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Best rifle ever made, shot a chipmunk at 10000 yards. Try that with your old 270 Heck I shot the nads off one farther than that . Plus bullet was traveling so fast it cauterized the wound didn't bleed a drop. !!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW when does your movie come out. 10,000 yrds. Not whole lot of places you can see that far earth curvature kicks in before then .....
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Re: 6.5 cr vs 270
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your right in as equal a comparison as I could get 270 is flatter
if you compare a 143gr eldx in 6.5 creedmoor to a 145 eldx in 270win
the 6.5 eld-x 143gr has a BC of .625 and at a MV of 2700fps with a 200 yard zero it would drop 44 inches at 500 yards. 305.0 inches at 1K yards
the 270 eld-x 145gr has a BC of .536 and at a MV of 2850fps with a 200 yard zero it would drip 41 inches at 500 yards. 296.8 inches at 1K yards
so you can propel a 1.4% heavier bullet 5.3% faster with 20% more powder and more recoil and be 6.9% or 3 inches flatter at 500 yards
if you go back to 300 yards 270 is 0.6 inches flatter.
your also comparing a long action and a short action
the reason 6.5 creedmoor is so popular is because it hangs right in there with the big boys for trajectory at a 20% reduction in powder and you can shoot it all day long.
they are really for playing different games.
likewise if you had a 30-06 and wanted to look for a reason to have another rifle in some great gain at say 200-300 yards you would be hard pressed to find a good reason to trade in the 06 and buy a new gun. I ran the numbers a bunch of times
unless you shoot 5 or more cans of powder in shooting sessions where you shoot for hours and 30-06 just wears you out then going to something you could shoot for hours with out fatigue and getting every 5th can of powder free would make a lot of sense
in the middle say 2-300 yards they are all within an inch or two , at the extremes some shine in their efficiency to do it with less or to have a better trajectory that is a game changer when inches count at great distance in the game you play but if your game is a few deer a year you will see no difference.
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Re: 6.5 cr vs 270
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One way to look at it is take the 6.5 out west on a hunt, forget to bring your ammo and go to the nearest Wally World and ask for 6.5 ammo. Now try that with a .270!
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Re: 6.5 cr vs 270
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That is why I am building a 6.5 - 06 A square Ackley improved at the moment.. The creedmoor is right up there with the man bun for me. Just because folks did not like the Swede part in the name after the 6.5x55 that will still outshoot the CM and has been around for 100 years. ...... Yes I know the CM is a short action and the rifle can be built half a pound lighter because of it bla bla bla. Still, there is no substitute for case capacity when you want to push a lump of lead at speed. So Yes Jbyrd63 I am right there with ya. As much as I like the 6.5 caliber. ( and I think the Grendel is the round that all AR15 should be chambered in ) A cm will never come home with me from a gun store or show.
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Re: 6.5 cr vs 270
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But seriously if a person put the optics, triggers systems, and custom built barrels / stocks on a 270 why wouldn't it perform like the 6.5? Reasons I keep hearing is short action is easier to work the bolt. But if you are sand bagging / benchrest shooting bolt speed is not a factor. I think bolt speed is only a factor is you hunt dangerous game. But then ya would look like an idiot, if ya turn up with a creedmmor on a water buffalo hunt anyway. And again, grow that man bun to match the rifle lol. I have a 30-06 and not one deer has complained about the lack of bolt speed thus far.
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Re: 6.5 cr vs 270
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Its just another marketing gimmick. A few years ago it was the super short magnum craze. Gone with the wind and leaving a lot of safe queens in its wake as there is hardly any ammo around for most of them and if found, its really expensive. The list is pretty darn long or rounds that are touted by gun writers etc. as the best thing since sliced bread and a few years later they fall by the wayside leaving a bunch of people with rifles they cant use. it does not affect me personally as I hand load.
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Re: 6.5 cr vs 270
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One way to look at it is take the 6.5 out west on a hunt, forget to bring your ammo and go to the nearest Wally World and ask for 6.5 ammo. Now try that with a .270! That's a great point. I have friends who ask me about the deer rifles they should get for themselves and their kids. I tell them to do a little reading about the .243, .270., 308, and the 30-06. Great deer rifles and ammo available everywhere at decent prices. A neighbor, who does not reload, was complaining the other day about the price of shells for his 7mm-o8 and his 300 ultra mag. He says he convinced himself the guns were what he needed after reading a couple magazine articles years ago. This guy is always into the "latest and greatest" thing to come down the pike......He admits he used a .32 special lever gun 'till his late twenties and it was perfect for most of his hunting.
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Re: 6.5 cr vs 270
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cmon guys. if gun companies don't keep reinventing the wheel, and gun writers keep writing about the same cartridges, how will either of them sell anything?
seen any good pickup, or coyote lure, or laundry soap commercials lately? biggest lie commercials tell you is that if you buy something it will make you happy
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Re: 6.5 cr vs 270
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WOW when does your movie come out. 10,000 yrds. Not whole lot of places you can see that far earth curvature kicks in before then ..... [/quote]
Easy there jbyrd63. There’s at least one guy on here that might argue the earth curve part or your statement. Lol
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Re: 6.5 cr vs 270
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10,000 yards is quite a shot. It is a bit farther than I can see with my best optics too.
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Re: 6.5 cr vs 270
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The 6.5 Bullet Coefficient is what makes it shine down range. Any 6.5 Bullet, not the cartridge. I wasnt a big fan of the Cartridge till I bought one and tailored some loads up. It will shoot .250 center to center. I've never had any of my 270's come close to that. That said I love the 270 its a flat shooting cartridge thats stood the test of time.
I have always wanted one of those old 6.5 x 55 swed or a 6.5 x284
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Re: 6.5 cr vs 270
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While shooting off a mountain top from a saddle on a mule, I killed an elk so far away I had to wait another day for that zone to open to retrieve it. One shot, between the eyes. Passed through the bull lengthwise, exited and hit a rock and passed back through the elk from the rear, ending in his heart. No meat damage, perfect mushroom, and near total weight retension. Was the 6.5 Snpiner Viper Butt Wiper Magnum. Did I say no recoil? Developed by seals in Antiartica.
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