I have heard "6.5 creedmore 6.5creedmore " until I want to puke. Yes glad some have found the "newest fad" to play and tinker with. But I knew from reloading everything from a 221 fireball up to a 300 win mag that there was NOWAY a 6.5 shot as flat as a 270. Well go ahead and start telling me about your "special loads" but I just looked at SEVERAL ballistic charts and if you have comparable bullets ( factory or hand load) the 270 shoots flatter. ACCORDING to the ballistic charts. Oh yes. AT EVERY RANGE. The 6.5 was better on some charts with drift but not all.


On this one the 130 gr 270 shot flatter than the 120 6.5
https://ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/6-5-creedmoor-versus-270-winchester/

In this testing 270 wins.

500 yrds 270 wins ????

Guess I just getting to old to "jump" on any band wagons.... LOL

Best rifle ever made, shot a chipmunk at 10000 yards. Try that with your old 270

Heck I shot the nads off one farther than that . Plus bullet was traveling so fast it cauterized the wound didn't bleed a drop. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOW when does your movie come out. 10,000 yrds. Not whole lot of places you can see that far earth curvature kicks in before then .....

Thats why I built a 270/08. To split the differences while splitting the difference. I prefer the terminal ballistics of a 277 dia but the ooomph a 308 case gives it. A 270 Savage is sweet too. It’s a 250 Savage necked up to 270. Oh yeah, the few 6.5/06 I built for customers were flatter than both 270 and 6.5 CM. Yessir just stick with what works for ya.

But seriously if a person put the optics, triggers systems, and custom built barrels / stocks on a 270 why wouldn't it perform like the 6.5? Reasons I keep hearing is short action is easier to work the bolt. But if you are sand bagging / benchrest shooting bolt speed is not a factor.

Trapr , I have a sweet 6mm 700 that I shoot ground hogs and have taken loads of deer. But I also got 2 270's and was looking to get a 6.5., That is why I looked at the ballistics to see what I would be gaining if anything. Not enough evidence to warrant me investing. NEVER said others shouldn't. Just wanted to ask if the ballistic charts were right.....

your right in as equal a comparison as I could get 270 is flatter

if you compare a 143gr eldx in 6.5 creedmoor to a 145 eldx in 270win

the 6.5 eld-x 143gr has a BC of .625 and at a MV of 2700fps with a 200 yard zero it would drop 44 inches at 500 yards. 305.0 inches at 1K yards

the 270 eld-x 145gr has a BC of .536 and at a MV of 2850fps with a 200 yard zero it would drip 41 inches at 500 yards. 296.8 inches at 1K yards

so you can propel a 1.4% heavier bullet 5.3% faster with 20% more powder and more recoil and be 6.9% or 3 inches flatter at 500 yards

if you go back to 300 yards 270 is 0.6 inches flatter.

your also comparing a long action and a short action

the reason 6.5 creedmoor is so popular is because it hangs right in there with the big boys for trajectory at a 20% reduction in powder and you can shoot
it all day long.

they are really for playing different games.

likewise if you had a 30-06 and wanted to look for a reason to have another rifle in some great gain at say 200-300 yards you would be hard pressed to find a good reason to trade in the 06 and buy a new gun. I ran the numbers a bunch of times

unless you shoot 5 or more cans of powder in shooting sessions where you shoot for hours and 30-06 just wears you out then going to something you could shoot for hours with out fatigue and getting every 5th can of powder free would make a lot of sense

in the middle say 2-300 yards they are all within an inch or two , at the extremes some shine in their efficiency to do it with less or to have a better trajectory that is a game changer when inches count at great distance in the game you play but if your game is a few deer a year you will see no difference.

One way to look at it is take the 6.5 out west on a hunt, forget to bring your ammo and go to the nearest Wally World and ask for 6.5 ammo. Now try that with a .270!

That is why I am building a 6.5 - 06 A square Ackley improved at the moment.. The creedmoor is right up there with the man bun for me. Just because folks did not like the Swede part in the name after the 6.5x55 that will still outshoot the CM and has been around for 100 years. ...... Yes I know the CM is a short action and the rifle can be built half a pound lighter because of it bla bla bla. Still, there is no substitute for case capacity when you want to push a lump of lead at speed. So Yes Jbyrd63 I am right there with ya. As much as I like the 6.5 caliber. ( and I think the Grendel is the round that all AR15 should be chambered in ) A cm will never come home with me from a gun store or show.

I think bolt speed is only a factor is you hunt dangerous game. But then ya would look like an idiot, if ya turn up with a creedmmor on a water buffalo hunt anyway. And again, grow that man bun to match the rifle lol. I have a 30-06 and not one deer has complained about the lack of bolt speed thus far.

If you don't want to own or shoot a certain caliber then don't do it. Why is it that all over the web there are grown men complaining about what caliber other people gravitate towards? Is a 6.5 creedmore some special, magical, unicorn slaying gift from the geniuses at Hornady? No it isn't. It's just another good mid sized cartridge choice for people to pick from. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. We all like different stuff. 270 win is a great cartridge and it should shoot flatter than a 6.5 creedmore. It has more case capacity, which obviously means you can stuff more powder behind the bullet.

Its just another marketing gimmick. A few years ago it was the super short magnum craze. Gone with the wind and leaving a lot of safe queens in its wake as there is hardly any ammo around for most of them and if found, its really expensive. The list is pretty darn long or rounds that are touted by gun writers etc. as the best thing since sliced bread and a few years later they fall by the wayside leaving a bunch of people with rifles they cant use. it does not affect me personally as I hand load.

That's a great point. I have friends who ask me about the deer rifles they should get for themselves and their kids. I tell them to do a little reading about the .243, .270., 308, and the 30-06. Great deer rifles and ammo available everywhere at decent prices.

A neighbor, who does not reload, was complaining the other day about the price of shells for his 7mm-o8 and his 300 ultra mag. He says he convinced himself the guns were what he needed after reading a couple magazine articles years ago. This guy is always into the "latest and greatest" thing to come down the pike......He admits he used a .32 special lever gun 'till his late twenties and it was perfect for most of his hunting.

cmon guys. if gun companies don't keep reinventing the wheel, and gun writers keep writing about the same cartridges, how will either of them sell anything?

seen any good pickup, or coyote lure, or laundry soap commercials lately? biggest lie commercials tell you is that if you buy something it will make you happy

WOW when does your movie come out. 10,000 yrds. Not whole lot of places you can see that far earth curvature kicks in before then ..... [/quote]

Easy there jbyrd63. There’s at least one guy on here that might argue the earth curve part or your statement. Lol

10,000 yards is quite a shot. It is a bit farther than I can see with my best optics too.

I enjoy talking guns...of any type. BUT let me tell you a story bout the KING. I took the old 30/06 out for a walk the other day and shot a tick off stump about 80 yds away. As I picked up the spent cartridge I smelled the fresh burned powder. I always smell the empty. Anyway, as I’m smelling the cartridge a nice 10pt buck walks right up to me on his back legs with his front hooves in the air. He done give up! I’m still baffled whether it was the report of the shot or the smell of that burnt powder....maybe both

I am no fan of the CM, But short actions are stiffer and easier to square, which is good. Short fat cartridges are more efficient and consistent powder burners, which is good. The thing that killed the short fat cartridge fad was other short fat cartridges, there was a short fat cartridge overload. I run a 7mm STW so .270s and 6.5 fancypants are , well, weak sauce.

The 6.5 Bullet Coefficient is what makes it shine down range. Any 6.5 Bullet, not the cartridge.
I wasnt a big fan of the Cartridge till I bought one and tailored some loads up.
It will shoot .250 center to center. I've never had any of my 270's come close to that. That said I love the 270 its a flat shooting cartridge thats stood the test of time.

I have always wanted one of those old 6.5 x 55 swed or a 6.5 x284

While shooting off a mountain top from a saddle on a mule, I killed an elk so far away I had to wait another day for that zone to open to retrieve it. One shot, between the eyes. Passed through the bull lengthwise, exited and hit a rock and passed back through the elk from the rear, ending in his heart. No meat damage, perfect mushroom, and near total weight retension. Was the 6.5 Snpiner Viper Butt Wiper Magnum. Did I say no recoil? Developed by seals in Antiartica.

Hey you got any 10,000 yrd shootin ranges over in your neck of the woods LOL

Thats why I have my deer stand on a factory chimney that is 900 feet tall .... that way I can make use of the laser magnum rifle that shoots flat to 18000 yards point blank range without the curvature of the earth getting in the way.

If y'all would use Rampage Lures you wouldn't have to shoot at 'em that far. It's what the professionals use, and love...

Anywhere outside of benchrest competition it's 270 Win, for the win. If using a varmint bullet, I'd prefer the raw speed of over 3500 FPS. If using a big game bullet id prefer,a 150 accubond or partition just shy of 3000 FPS I'm also a little tired of the 6.5 creed hype. How do you know if a guy shoots a 6.5 creedmoor? Dont worry, he'll tell you.

Creedmore became a fad because it's just a great round. Makes a real nice hunting rifle for kids and women. I have always preferred burning more powder. Gunsmith just called a few days ago and said my rebarrel is ready to pick up. Went with a 6.5 -06 Ackley. Looking forward to the weather cooling off so I can get to the range. 270 is another awesome cartridge.

ML

Lol.

LOL.

Some guys are happy with a Chevette, Some like a Corvette.

first of all it's creedmoor not creedmore.
there is an article by the Petzal guy in the latest field and stream for what it's worth, it also makes fun of people spelling it wrong. Good read if you're so inclined.
That being said, I love my 270 and it is a very flat shooting cartridge!

https://www.fieldandstream.com/6-5-creedmoor-best-factory-rifle-cartridge-q-and-a

also found this older article.
https://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/the-gun-nuts/the-65-creedmoor

Cheers,

Agreed Byrd, neither of us would gain anything....indeed the BC of those 6.5's are great, but not enough to make a difference to many of us. I also pull out the 6.5x55 at times, and if I want 270-ish or 7/08-ish ballistics, the 7x57 comes out of the stable.

I built a 6mm like yours yrs ago for a customer as his "rainy day barn rifle". Heavy stocked with #5 barrel...man, that thing would drive tacks!

I prefer the Creedmoor's big brother personally. The 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge is on the left.

But you would be "gaining", just not what you looked at.
Like others have posted, the 6.5. has a better B.C., which means it will drop less and drift less in wind. It's also a more efficient cartrage so less powder burned per fps. Normally means a more accurate cartrage.

We're talking tenths of an inch, which real shooters spend to get.

At one point in 1923 the 270 was the "newest fad". Took 25yrs for it to really take hold but it hasn't relinquished that hold yet.

I like my 6.5 over the 270 but it's really up to each individual shooters preferences. I personally enjoy the recoil aspect. Now SOCOM seems to have weighed in as well, albeit for different reasons. Evidence is stacking up against the use of the term "fad" but hey - to each their own.

There are certainly an exorbitant amount of annoying 6.5 fans, I'll give you that.

"In October 2017, U.S. Special Operations Command tested the performance of 7.62×51mm NATO, .260 Remington, and 6.5mm Creedmoor cartridges out of SR-25, M110A1, and Mk 20 sniper rifles. SOCOM determined that 6.5 Creedmoor performed the best, doubling hit probability at 1,000 m (1,094 yd), increasing effective range by nearly half, reducing wind drift by a third and having less recoil than 7.62×51mm NATO rounds. Tests showed the .260 Remington and 6.5mm Creedmoor cartridges were similarly accurate and reliable and the external ballistic behavior was also very similar. The prevailing attitude is that there was more room with the 6.5mm Creedmoor to further develop projectiles and loads. Because the two cartridges have similar dimensions, the same magazines can be used and a rifle can be converted with a barrel change. This led to its adoption and fielding by special operations snipers to replace the 7.62×51mm NATO cartridge in their semi-automatic sniper rifles, planned in early 2019. In response to SOCOM's adoption, the Department of Homeland Security also decided to adopt the round."

http://soldiersystems.net/2018/03/23/ussocom-adopts-6-5-cm/

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-...ound-next-year/

https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/g...ng-range-round/

if you step back and look at the history of the 6.5 creedmore it was all about the target shooting.

you basically have a bunch of guys running 308 and some wild cat cartridges but the goal is a target at 600 , 800 or 1000 yards

if you compare 308 to 6.5 Creedmore it is a big improvement at 1000 yards your talking 54 inches of improvement.

then the Precision rifle guys got a hold of it , this is really sort of a new sport they shoot a 40-50 round course of fire it may take them much of the day and shooting from less than an ideal shooting position is par for the course .

why not just find a great load for 6.5x55 , well they could have done that but with a significant number of 6.5x55 rifles that are over 100 years old and wanting to run 62Kpsi something that would keep the new cartridge from ending up in antiques was in order.

also remember the target shooters and PR shooters are getting high round count some shooting out a barrel a year so if there was extra space in the 6.5x55 that was going unused they could make more efficent use of a case just big enough real Goldilocks case dimensions.

powder savings also weighing in

add in the 6.5x55 is really a medium length case and basically everything has been reduced to short and long actions now so a shorter case leaves room to feed long high BC bullets and still fit in a short action and into short action box magazines.

the target shooters had burned out many a barrel before 6.5 creedmore really made it's jump to popularity

few people had really heard much about it till Ruger offered the Ruger Precision Rifle in 6.5 Creedmore coupled with Horady's match ammo it was a rifle that could get a rifle and cartrige capable of targets at 1200 yards into the hands of a shooter for right about 1000 dollars

previously that was something that typically took a 2000 dollar custom gun to achive.

people got seriously excited , perhaps as gitty as a school girl when they started shooting sub 1/2 minute groups at 400 yards

then everyone wanted to chamber a gun in this hot new caliber

hunters figured out it was like the trusty 6.5x55 in many ways but they could get it in new domestically produced rifles .

they shot deer , low recoil dead deer back to Gitty as a school girl. would a 7mm-08 have worked just as well at the distance they were shooting sure probably.

so it isn't all hype , but it isn't obviously for every one and no I do not own one it just didn't fit my needs

Isnt that 270/08 just about a 7mm08?

I have a bunch of favorite cartridges. I dont understand why people get worked up over different ones vs others. My gun cabinet is full. I would love to own one of every caliber.
6.5 and the 270 love both of them. But I also have an array of others that are equally good 257bob,7mm,300 you name it. Buy both ,be happy. Shoot straight.

Reminds me of the time I’s just woods cruisin, had the old 45-70 on my shoulder. Round a bend came right up on a panther crouched to spring. I just knelt down and touched one off on his nose. Now that round is so slow, at the shot he spun around and the bullet traveled clear through him and come out the end of his tail right past my ear! He piled up shortly after

I bought a 270 used 15 plus years ago and I love it shoot many deer with it. I just won a 6.5 at a ducks unlimited dinner, people came out of the wood work to buy it like its the second coming of Christ lol. Im going to keep it and set it up for yote hunting. Sounds like I can shoot half way across the country to get some of them western dogs

File that front sight down and get a good rest.

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