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Re: Awesome Article by Uncle Ted [Re: Castormound] #6310272
08/25/18 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted By: Castormound
I love when people complain about baiting as unethical, but they have a "food plot"


It does not require a sharp mind to distinguish the two.

Re: Awesome Article by Uncle Ted [Re: fishnhunts] #6310276
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This moron proliferates because appeals to the lowest common denominator. Not unlike others frequently in the news.

Re: Awesome Article by Uncle Ted [Re: EdP] #6310284
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Originally Posted By: EdP
We cannot hunt over bait here in Va and cannot use deer urine as an attractant (only synthetic urine) due to concerns over the spread of CWD. I don't know that it makes any difference, but here is what I do know. Pa recently experienced a 200% increase in CWD year over year in their CWD control areas using these same control techniques. Obviously the folks making wildlife control decisions in Pa don't know what works either because the results of their efforts are dismal.


Do you know anything about what prions are and how the work?
Short of wiping out the deer population, what method do you think the PA Game Commision should try?

Re: Awesome Article by Uncle Ted [Re: pass-thru] #6310287
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Originally Posted By: pass-thru

This moron proliferates because appeals to the lowest common denominator. Not unlike others frequently in the news.


He preaches to the choir of hunters and gun owners who think and behave the same way he does in an effort to play hero to them. Most other gun owners and hunter see him as a loud mouthed instigator.

Re: Awesome Article by Uncle Ted [Re: gryhkl] #6310313
08/25/18 07:28 PM
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Did I Read Ted Nugent Wrong, Or Is He Actually Advocating For The Hunting Of Songbirds ?

What's Next ?

A Blubird Blast, Or Robin Round-Up ? laugh

Very Strange Uncle Ted !!! shocked

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Re: Awesome Article by Uncle Ted [Re: fishnhunts] #6310392
08/25/18 08:47 PM
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gryhkl, I am no expert on prions but do know they are extremely difficult to destroy. Game management and the control of disease is not my area of expertise. However, I do know that if what you are doing is not working, something else should be tried. Instead, the Pa strategy is to expand the area in which their control attempts are not working. That strategy is obviously doomed to failure. So, wiping out the deer population in the problem area is not a strategy that I would criticize until it is tried and shown to be unsuccessful. I know of nowhere where it has been tried, but I do know that CWD is continuing to expand and is likely to continue to do so unless alternate strategies are tried.

In this instance I agree with Ted when he says the restrictions are based on junk science. That is not meant to support or oppose the restrictions, only to say the basis for their imposition is faulty.

Re: Awesome Article by Uncle Ted [Re: EdP] #6310409
08/25/18 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted By: EdP
gryhkl, I am no expert on prions but do know they are extremely difficult to destroy. Game management and the control of disease is not my area of expertise. However, I do know that if what you are doing is not working, something else should be tried. Instead, the Pa strategy is to expand the area in which their control attempts are not working. That strategy is obviously doomed to failure. So, wiping out the deer population in the problem area is not a strategy that I would criticize until it is tried and shown to be unsuccessful. I know of nowhere where it has been tried, but I do know that CWD is continuing to expand and is likely to continue to do so unless alternate strategies are tried.

In this instance I agree with Ted when he says the restrictions are based on junk science. That is not meant to support or oppose the restrictions, only to say the basis for their imposition is faulty.


You could look to Wisconsin and how they tried to eradicate the deer in the infected area to control cwd. It didn't work. Same with the baiting ban, but those who wanted to see baiting eliminated are happy. They don't even care when bans violate the law.

Re: Awesome Article by Uncle Ted [Re: fishnhunts] #6310414
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I hope we never see the hunting of deer over bait allowed in PA. It has been used in urban areas where deer are more vermin than game animals.

The farming of deer is the biggest problem for our wild deer herd and that practice is overseen by the dept of agriculture, not the game commission.

Re: Awesome Article by Uncle Ted [Re: fishnhunts] #6310436
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Re: Awesome Article by Uncle Ted [Re: gryhkl] #6310437
08/25/18 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted By: gryhkl
I hope we never see the hunting of deer over bait allowed in PA.


For The First Time In My Life, I Agree With GRACKLE !!! shocked

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Re: Awesome Article by Uncle Ted [Re: pass-thru] #6310513
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Originally Posted By: pass-thru

This moron proliferates because appeals to the lowest common denominator. Not unlike others frequently in the news.


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Re: Awesome Article by Uncle Ted [Re: fishnhunts] #6310628
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Mutt, what I see is that Wi attempted to significantly reduce deer numbers in the control area but the strategy was ineffective because CWD had already spread outside the area. In other words, they gave up on the strategy of population reduction. The concept of population reduction through increased hunting in an infected area seems highly unlikely to succeed if uninfected areas are available to hunting. Effective population reduction would involve extermination techniques in the affected area.

Re: Awesome Article by Uncle Ted [Re: gryhkl] #6310638
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Originally Posted By: gryhkl
Originally Posted By: EdP
We cannot hunt over bait here in Va and cannot use deer urine as an attractant (only synthetic urine) due to concerns over the spread of CWD. I don't know that it makes any difference, but here is what I do know. Pa recently experienced a 200% increase in CWD year over year in their CWD control areas using these same control techniques. Obviously the folks making wildlife control decisions in Pa don't know what works either because the results of their efforts are dismal.


Do you know anything about what prions are and how the work?
Short of wiping out the deer population, what method do you think the PA Game Commision should try?


Where did the ground get checked for positive prions that tested positive?To the best of my knowledge it was in deer pens.So the first thing should be to kill all the deer in these pens.The game commission no longer has control of the pens but they where the ones that let them get started.

Re: Awesome Article by Uncle Ted [Re: fishnhunts] #6310653
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Deer farming is under the comtrol of the department of agriculture.
I'd like to see deer farming outlawed in this state. Huge antlers obtained as easily as buying a dairy cow......and some consider it hunting laugh

Re: Awesome Article by Uncle Ted [Re: fishnhunts] #6310814
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I agree completely gryhkl. The farms breed for huge antlers but in selective breeding of any species the desired trait is never the only trait that manifests. Genetics just doesn't work that specifically. Undesirable traits always come along with the desirable ones and not all the undesirable traits are obvious. Hence German Shepherds suffer from hip dysplasia, Rotts and Dobermans have weakened immune systems that make them highly susceptible to cancer. I don't care for selective breeding of wildlife at all.

Re: Awesome Article by Uncle Ted [Re: fishnhunts] #6310819
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Man, trying to play God? When you get a bunch of highly educated “biologist” deciding how they are going to correct an issue that if allowed to run its course would correct itself in the natural selection process we end up with a decades long issue than one that in a few years would probably resolve on its own. Let nature alone and nature if given a chance will correct most all issues one way or other.
Take coyotes, cockroaches or white tails they are all survivors.

Re: Awesome Article by Uncle Ted [Re: fishnhunts] #6310859
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Just for the record, I don't bait deer and probably wouldn't even if it were legal, but I am still curious as to why people feel it should be outlawed. Also curious as to why people think deer farms should be outlawed. Again, never been to one and never will, but if someone wants to pay the price then how does that effect you? Also, how is comparing baiting deer to baiting coyotes apples to oranges? I'm just hoping to get some perspective on this because I see no difference. Antis are very good at chipping away rights and I feel this is one way they have had a lot of success because there is so much disagreement amoung hunters. Heck, if someone wanted to pay me the right amount to come shoot a steer off the lot with a .270 or crossbow or whatever, why wouldn't I lot them? I'd even put feed out for them ! Do we need laws to keep me from offering that service?

Re: Awesome Article by Uncle Ted [Re: fishnhunts] #6310865
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Just too many people with long noses that need shortened fishnhunts.

I hunt West Virginia that allows baiting and i cound't care less if the next guy baits or not. I hunt my way and do just fine, and he does what he needs to do to get his deer. If i lived closer and had the time, i'd probably bait too to get my meat and get home without making a job of it.

That's the reason we have soo many stupid laws, people with long noses that think everyone should think as they do. If they worried more about themselves and not the next guy, this world would be better off.

Re: Awesome Article by Uncle Ted [Re: fishnhunts] #6310899
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Ted is occasionally right, but he is an awful voice for the cause. Plus, he is a terrible writer. Go back and read it again. His writing is a wordy stream of consciousness in a series of run-on sentences.

Re: Awesome Article by Uncle Ted [Re: Blaine County] #6310926
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Originally Posted By: Blaine County
Ted is occasionally right,
I have an old clock that is right twice a day.

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