CITIES was forced on us thru the Endangered Species Act,nothing voluntary there.

the stuff being passed around a year or two ago was about trappers certifying them selves; no certification or tracabilty of fur at all; just trappers signing a form stating they complied with AHITS. 2,3, 4, 5,6, 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14,
and 16 are questions that are irrelevant or pertain only to Canada.

I know I'm supposed to be a NAFA hater because I post critically about some of their less than savory business practices and some stuff they do that is plain goofy IMO, but I don't think NAFA is leading the charge on this. They could have done this right when CG wanted it. Vision 2020 looks like a delaying tactic to shine a customer they got caught lying to about the source of their coyotes. Or maybe CG's marketing of Canadian certified coyotes was their own lie?

Certifying the welfare of animals on farms cannot be compared to certifying the various methods of harvest of a wild animal. IMO

P.S. I like how guys on here who painted themselves into the "Mandatory Trapper Ed" corner, are trying to use this as cover. I guess that ain't going to work.

So what happens if you answer NO to #4?

Dirt, the mandatory trapper education corner you speak of was in many cases is the one thing that has kept trapping alive in several states, especially states with more liberal politics in place. Liberals love nothing more than education, just look how screwed up most of the colleges are now days as an example. This played right into the liberal ideology, and how could they stand for education on one matter, and be opposed the next.


We also have to understand that trapper education is mostly managed, and put forth by trappers within the respected states. The state agency's in most cases are just managing the process, and individual trappers, and trapping associations are doing the foot work. A lot of volunteer work goes into many of these courses, and most of the time those putting them on go above, and beyond what is required, or expected of someone.



Dirt, not trying to paint my way into the trapper education corner, but I do like using the tools of other people to paint them into their own corner.


RTT

Yep..Knowing what's on the other side..Why would you jump through the hoop in the first place..LOL...Good post Hippie..

A coon caught here in a 220 Belisle sure ain't worth much right now. (Cus there's no market, I suspect😊)

It's not gonna make fur worth a penny more. My fox caught in Rams are avaeraging $9. Marten and Fisher in the fancy Belisles are not selling for more than any other ones. If a single Canadian here can honestly say theyre getting more for there aihts certified caught fur please speak up and enlighten us to where you're selling. Market and fur quality dictate what is gonna be paid for a fur. There is a market for coyote now, and market will always dictate what is gonna be paid for a skin. A coon caught here in a 220 Belisle sure ain't worth much right now. (Cus there's no market, I suspect😊)

If we get American and Canadian women [and men] wearing fur we have a market again. Simple as that. Many women in the rest of the world will follow their lead.

I doubt very many Iowa coon
are caught to BMP standards. Ones on a drowner yes, but after that, very few.

And we'd also have a broader cross section of people willing to listen to our message. People generally don't care about an issue unless it impacts their lives in some way. They'd rather be emotionally manipulated by an ASPCA commercial with Sarah McLachlan singing in the background because it doesn't require thinking or effort.

I read on the internet that raccoons could not be caught in a submersion set under BMP. I searched the fishwildlife.org site and can find no place approving any traps for raccoons in a submersion set. Dog-proof and double jawed footholds do meet those standards (with limitations-1.5 &11) You might be wrong in your guess.

standard for submersion trapping systems is that the
equipment must prevent the animal from surfacing once it has submerged.