Novembers elections are critical for trappers, hunters and gun owners and will shape our future for many years to come. This election is more important than the last election for trappers, hunters and gun owners.

I'll vote for Western Coyote.

x2. Get out the vote!

Yep, starting with our Texas Senate race. If the Senate flips, bad news for our country.

I sent him some money yesterday and trying to put the word out.

Everything we have accomplished will be reversed if Dems regain control.

I hope we all realize that and turn out in Nov.

We are living a turning point in American history. Epic!

"Everything we have accomplished..."

Such as?

Specifically, what has been accomplished for trappers by a Republican controlled government?

Jim

Delaware trappers can possess body grip traps over 5”. But that was done by the people going to some Delaware Republicans and a few Democrats. Next step is using them!

Not really what you were looking for.

What gets me is everyone who complains about elections on both sides, but only 30% of registered voters show up.

I believe trap theft and poaching has decreased dramatically because of the honesty, integrity and morality demonstrated daily by President Trump.

James how about a 2 conservative judges on the Supreme Court...would not happen with the other side!

How about you get to keep more of the money you make

And I no longer have to pay a penalty b cause I don’t have Obama’ care because I can not afford it

So that’s a little more money in the pocket to buy more things I do need or help if I do get sick or laid up

Yep, get out and vote to keep this rolling along. Never know, may get another SCOTUS pick.

Economy is good and people are confident. Instead of going to TSC and buying a trap for that groundhog under their shed they are calling and paying us to come take care of it.

James' rides a moped.

We still have Obamacare, still have legalized abortion, still no borderwall or increases border security, still no national constitutional carry, my taxes are still too high and too complicated, etc, etc, I could go on and on, even though we have a republican president and a republican congress. How is that any different than if we had a democrat controlled white house and congress? Both truly are different sides of the same coin.

Confidence of investors, that is the difference.

When the dems are in control, money holders hold tighter. Repubs in control tend to loosen that grip. When that takes place, opportunities are created.

I will assume most trappers have firearms. Just think what the Witch would have promoted if she had been elected. As far as national constitutional carry, see that it happens in your home state first. If enough states have it then it might be possible to get it nationwide. If you remember years back, Florida got the ball rolling to get to where we are at today with concealed carry in this country. Might be the same can happen with constitutional carry, here in Kansas we respect your right as an American citizen to carry.

I shudder to think of what a Dem. controlled congress and white house would do to our gun rights. Probably make a lot of us outlaws.

And Trump will have 6 1/2 more years to get those items changed out. And resend the Obama Executive orders.

Plus work with the Congress to get individual health care available, on a personal choice, not mandated.

Also back of some of the ridicules regulations on the auto industry. Most gasoline autos get great mileage.

With electric cars, that power has to be manufactured someplace in order to charge that Prius etc.

When more people work, more taxes are collected. Thus to pay for the needs/wants of Congress.

How about cutting the actual budget by 5% every year for the next 6 years. And NO 3% raise every year either.

Pay raises in Washington should be held at present for 6 years.

My $.02

This election is far more important for the country as a whole than trapping.

As far as Obamacare goes, pretty much all republicans were elected promising to repeal it. Yet it's still here, and as of late, I don't even hear any talk of repealing it. Electric cars are a joke for now, until the technology catches up, but they do get better gas mileage equivalent than a gas-burning vehicle. But it's not the governments job to mandate or subsidize that, or any industry, for that matter. We all know that the budget only ever goes up, it'll never ever go down, Republican or Democrat. The public, regardless of how they vote, has too many expectations and desires from the government for the budget to ever go down. We all, regardless of which side of the aisle we sit on, expect government to hand us money in one way or another, whether that's through farm/ethanol subsidies, social security, medicare/Medicaid, welfare, foodstamps, military spending, "free" healthcare, whatever. Short of military spending, I don't see constitutional authority for the federal government to pay for any of those things. Per the 10th amendment, any power not specifically granted to the feds is reserved for the states and the people. Republicans and democrats both want to spend money freely, it just depends who/what they're spending it on.

lol

loosegoose, do you think all the spending you mentioned is on equal footing?

And Trump will have 6 1/2 more years to get those items changed out. And resend the Obama Executive orders.

Plus work with the Congress to get individual health care available, on a personal choice, not mandated.

Also back of some of the ridicules regulations on the auto industry. Most gasoline autos get great mileage.

With electric cars, that power has to be manufactured someplace in order to charge that Prius etc.

When more people work, more taxes are collected. Thus to pay for the needs/wants of Congress.

How about cutting the actual budget by 5% every year for the next 6 years. And NO 3% raise every year either.

Pay raises in Washington should be held at present for 6 years.

My $.02


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We now take in 5% less in revenue and are spending 7% more than we were before the tax cuts. What happened to the concern for the country's debt? Our children and grandchildren should make us all pay for this mess when they hold the power and are running the country.

We should never cut taxes if the cuts do not come with spending cuts...NEVER

Yup, except for national defense, which the constitution requires. Can you show where the constitution allows for payments to corn farmers, tax breaks for big businesses (I might actually allow that one, there is authority to tax, though tax breaks for corporations are sleazy in my opinion), allows for social security, payment of my medical bills, maybe where it gives permission for the government to buy my food for me, or to fund my retirement? The constitution gives permission for the feds to do certain things; ifit's not an enumerated power, they cant do it. If any industry cant survive on it's own, whether it's farmers, wind and solar companies, auto makers, whatever, then they cant survive. Let other more innovative businesses move in. Both sides of the aisle can and do forget this, it's just a matter of who they'll give the money to. Don't get me wrong, on the original issue of this thread, I'd take a republican over a democrat any day, but that's just because Republicans are running us off the cliff at 90mph where as Democrats are doing it at 100mph. Whn was the last time you heard a nationally recognized republican talk about the federal deficit or national debt? Hardly any since Trumps election, though it was a huge deal when Obama was in office. In reality, it's a huge deal now too.

Yes, sir, indeed. A few months ago, my son and I took a short vacation to Vermont and rented a car to drive to New York. We did not know how beautiful some of those area's are. When we where going to cross the NY line, I almost could not believe my eyes. There was a big sign saying if you bring a hand gun into the state you where going to jail for a year. Being from Texas, it was quite a shock. That could happen anywhere and of course once they take the guns, America as we know it is done. Once we loose a right of any kind it's almost impossible to get it back.
This election is very important and all of us should do more than our part to elect only strong supporters of the second amendment. I am hoping for another Supreme Court Judge. George Soros and his like are pouring millions into the socialist party, because they know, what's at stake.
People who love America as I do, can't let that happen.

It doesn't appear to be all that bad. Those doing all the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) are still alive and free. The freedom they do have must be worth a little more than tax cuts for corporations. lol

He did put a hold on federal employees pay raises. The libs will have to whine about something else.

Guess they did already since we're not talking about pro-gun candidates.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/30/politics/trump-cancels-federal-employee-pay-raises/index.html

BINGO jtg, Too bad the trolls here overlook this!!!!!!!!!!!

Would you please take this one. We can't seem to get rid of James' girl.

That ain't no Republican Dirt! lol

she's gotta poop,been there.

^^^^^^EXHIBIT A^^^^^^

Certain Individuals have been Whining, Blatting, and Caterwalling

Since President Trump Took Office And Started Making America Great Again !!!

w

Here's the skinny on it. In this day and age with the internet and 24hr news, the only people asking what Republicans do for outdoorsmen, DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY DO.

Here's just a couple examples.....

https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/secret...ericas-national

Expanding on Bushs' order....HMMMM, wonder why it wasn't Obamas'?

https://wgno.com/2017/09/15/trump-admin-to-expand-hunting-access-on-public-lands/

Ohh, wait...here's one that Trump changed that Obama ordered....You'd think an Alaskain would've heard this? Probably the outdoorsmen did.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/21/trump-administration-moves-reverse-obama-era-hunti/

Vote for our hunting/trapping rights!!!!!!!!!!!!

That picture of the bear in your Washington Times story looks just like the bear we shot last week in Denali National Preserve.

I have a buddy who would just love to shoot one. ME, not so much. I've shot a couple blackies and it just doesn't do anything for me. Them things are heavy to drag and costs me money to get the hide done.

Denali....Isn't that where the big mountain is? McKinely?

There's a hometown boy down a crevass up there. He was guiding and took the big step.

Stump was his last name. Been 30 or more years ago now i guess.

Here's a write-up about him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mugs_Stump

Didn't he mention wanting to open mining exploration in that area of ANWAR which is compared in size to a postage stamp on a football field. He also opened an area in northern MN that the former administration had put a big nix on for copper-nickel exploration. This will potentially open up 1,000s jobs in that area of the state once approved.

James might never see this information Hippie. He doesn't like it when folks debunk his "Whining, Blatting, and Caterwalling" with facts. He puts folks that do that on ignore. He's had me on ignore for over a year now and you might soon be on that list (if you're not already there) if you don't knock it off! LOL

In reference to your first link; it doesn't mention it but trapping is allowed on much of the land in the newly expanded National Wildlife Refuge System. Same with the National Parks and monuments land.

Lol

Did they answer your question James?

That was a very very very very heavy dose of sarcasm right there! Happy trapping! ScottW

Well I could speak for the country as a whole, but I'll just speak for me instead. When Obama was in office, I went from working 40 hours a week, with insurance, to 30 hours a week, with no insurance, and being fined $800 a year for not having the insurance his plan took away. I wasn't getting rich before, during or after him... my avg wage for the past 10+ years has been $10/hr. In 2008 I was bringing home about $17k a year, after you took out for insurance and 401k. By 2012, I was bringing home only $14,809 a year after you took out Obamacare fines, and I no longer had health coverage, or a 401k.

So what has changed since then? I'm still working part time, but only because I'm holding off on accepting the full time job that's been given to me until after trapping season. Once I accept that, I will be making $23k a year before deductions for insurance and 401k. I don't know the insurance costs yet but am told it is a great plan. They also match 401k dollar for dollar, start off with 2 weeks of paid vacation plus sick time... and that's from a box store. I'll also be saving $800 a year in a fine I could not afford that I never had to afford before the policy robbed me of my health care, my 401k, and 10 hours a week of work.

Maybe Trump's policies aren't the best for rich lawyers like you James, but they sure are great for common folks like me.

eta:... and that doesn't even include Trump's tax breaks which put even MORE money in my pocket.

I think that what James meant is what has a Republican controlled government done specifically for a issues relating to trapping.

Well James, on a national level, the Trump administration scaling back some of the national monument areas and wilderness areas has reopened a lot of ground to western trappers.

On a state level here in MN a Republican controlled house and senate has s substantial impact on trappers in MN enjoying the current trapping privileges they enjoy. Substantial! If Governor Goofy and the metro liberals would have had their way the past few years relating to trapping it would have had a negative impact on how we operate.

Looks like money talk to me.

first post,

Is about hunting and trapping freedoms.

Here KS our republican legislature (just like AK) has made it legal to carry without asking permission. Exactly like our federal constitution says we can.

I don't know about anyone else but I had been warned in the past several times for letting a coat hang over my pistol or having it inside my bibs. Never was arrested but warned I could be. If the permission less carry law isn't a boon to trappers I don't know what would be.

It would appear the Canadian Auction houses are following Trump's lead on getting tough on the Chinese. Well, at least when it comes to selling Alaska marten too cheap. James would know this, if he actually was a trapper.

a moped i tell ya

wearing a ball cap topped with a propeller?

I notice he was here but didn't acknowledge the answer(s) to his question.

They never do!!!!!! That's why i call them "trolls"

As soon as I try to give a reasoned response to the trapping-related comments (debating other political issues is not allowed), some individuals will make personal insults and get the thread deleted. Then blame me for the consequences of their own posts.

Like the trolls they are.

Jim

What about Trumps tariffs? They could really put a hurt on fur prices and demand.

Can't really break what's already broken.

Oh, it can get worse.

Now if China puts a 100 % tariff on a $30 ranch mink or a $5 coon that means that coon will cost the Chinese buyer (if he don't go back to smuggling) $60 and $10 respectively. Still cheap. Now if those were $100 ranch mink and $20 coon, it would matter.

Steve once a furbearer becomes unprofitable to trap. I don't trap it. If the furbearer is a 5 dollar a pelt loss or a 100 dollar a pelt loss, it is still an animal that will die of natural causes unrelated to me. Right now, the international fur market has nothing to offer me. Similar to the last 30 years with a few exceptions.

We need a melting snowflake emotion

He's accurate. You are insulting James.

Yes, he's an Angel.

why does it always have to be about James?

You did that dirt!

Not me

All I said was he don't trap. I doubt he ever trapped much and he just was attempting to sell all his traps, so probably can't trap with no traps.

It's not James fault.

It's just that he knows nothing about which political party is for and which one is against our gun and outdoor life. Knowing that, it's also not his fault that the questions he asks are asked in the manner that leads us to believe he is against our ways.

I see i should give him more compassion seeing his lack of understanding.

(in my defense, he's been asking these questions for the 8 years i've been here. I'd think it would soon sink in.)

you're pretty adept at ignoring points that logically go against your viewpoints.

you want an example, you say? you railed against Kavanaugh's perceived indifference to precedents, but when I asked you about the one set in the internment of Japanese Americans (Roosevelt's stacked Supreme Court); there was dead silence.

M-O-P-E-D

Don't feel singled out. I usually get so many responses that I can't address them all, not without more time here than I'm willing to spend. If you were rude or insulting, odds are good I ignored you, since it's so much more pleasant to talk to people who are courteous and respectful.

I don't recall the post you're talking about, but if you explain what Kavanaugh has to do with the Japanese internment decision, I'll ponder it.

Jim

I was not rude to you...I asked you a question. but I was wrong that the post was about Kavanaugh...it was the SCOTUS decision re: union fair share extortion...

Originally Posted By: James
The SCOTUS decision is surprising mainly because the majority were so willing to over-rule established precedent yet again... Is that what you people want?


"so...On Dec. 18, 1944, the Supreme Court ruled in Korematsu v. United States that the wartime internment of Japanese-Americans was constitutional.

do you NOT want SCOTUS to be able to over-rule established precedent?" white marlin

Good evening James

No

Your not being rude. Your being real!

James is a liberal. They make things personal!

Either ignore him or poke back. But don't feel bad nor try to argue with emotion (real or fake).

They actually have a play book.

And it don't involve facts, logic, or reason!

i wish the r's would keep their word and make carry national. as I said, big boon to trappers. some states you have to unload your fire arm before you get in a vehicle. every time. what a royal pain and ridiculous waste of le time to check that nonsense. time we have to pay for. what an enormous waste of a trappers time. unloading firearm, ( in fact not just unloading but removing ALL ammo from the gun, not just the chamber) securing ammo and firearm separately, every time you want to drive a quarter mile. time to change that ridiculous overburdening and illegal law

I'm not sure how to respond because you haven't quoted me in full context. You've left out some of my words, and I don't know what posts I was responding to. I don't know if that might make a difference, but I'll take a stab at it.

Korematsu is considered a shameful decision by legal historians, almost as bad as Dred Scott. I was taught in law school that Korematsu wouldn't likely be considered precedent by any future court.

I was thinking (I THINK I was thinking, but again, there's a lack of context) more of cases like Citizen's United, which over-ruled long established precedent in the campaign funding issues.

There's a difference between asking a question and staking out a position. I actually want a court willing to over-rule bad precedent--bad, in my opinion. lol. Like you, probably.

Jim

There you go, talking about me again.

Jim

here's a link to that thread...

https://trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/6271336/1



Of COURSE it was a bad decision!



why is that decision not a precendent, but Roe is?



not sure what you mean by that, or why it might matter...



at least you're being honest, now.

I hope this meets James's criteria, if it were not for Republican assertiveness,a lot Mn would have lost
snaring this past session.

True.
Wi has done away with a lot of these stupid laws in the past several years.

White Marlin, you quoted my words misleadingly. I didn't ask if others wanted a Court that would rely on Korematsu as precedent.

I asked if others wanted incompetent government employees. Here is what I wrote:



"The SCOTUS decision is surprising mainly because the majority were so willing to over-rule established precedent yet again.

"Unions serve a purpose in helping check government management's nearly unlimited power to hire, fire, promote or punish workers for political reasons.

"When I law-clerked for the Ohio Department of Natural Resources, the Assistant AGs were all "expected" (meaning required, if wishing to keep the job) to donate $1,000 per year to the AG's re-election fund.

"Government lawyers aren't unionized. So when Governor Sheffield decided to cut salaries of all the Assistant Attorney Generals by ten percent, in order to make himself look good politically, I could do nothing. I had only taken the job a month before, after salary negotiations, and just bought a house, but I had no remedy--except to vote with my feet as soon as a better-paying job presented itself. Meanwhile, the old-timers, who mostly slept behind their desks in the afternoon, hunkered down where they were.

"If all state workers were subject to arbitrary and unlimited management power, we would soon be left with the dregs of workers in state government. Is that what you people want?"

Jim

James, the truth of the matter is what happen in your cases still happens today, and even in states with strong labor unions in place. A good example is the state that I reside within, seen it first hand, and it does take place. Having a strong union presence is no guarantee against corruption, that has been seen in the past as well.

RTT

you were complaining about the court's readiness to abandon "precedent".

I pointed out the silliness of your complaint.

(I also shot to h-e--double hockey sticks your ""If all state workers were subject to arbitrary and unlimited management power, we would soon be left with the dregs of workers in state government" statement.)

The human imagination is a powerful thing.

Jim

from where I sit there a lot of dregs working for state government anyway. when is the last time you drove by a highway project being done by state employees and they were all working or the ones doing something were actually putting a little hustle into it? ever renewed a driver license?

Mornin James

care to make a cogent argument?

put down the stick and step away from the horse.

Was that the state Rep legislature you're talking about? I was aiming more at the federal government, which if anything has acted to hurt outdoors people under Rep administrations.

Case in point: the Kenai National Wildlife Refuge, where trappers lost significant public lands in about 2005 under Bush. Despite the fact that the trails in the refuge were initially built by trappers and miners, trapping is no longer allowed within a half mile of any trail or trailhead. They have been doing everything in their power to keep trappers out of the refuge.

And now, under Trump, the geniuses who run the KNWR are trying to run out hunting. I've hunted there for years, but now I have to take a three day course on how to distinguish between brow tines and palm tines.

In another year, they'll be talk of limiting seasons differently from the state. Go to shotguns or bows only.

The Republicans are not our friends. Any benefits of their plans to the average American will be incidental, just a little side-effect from the benefits enjoyed by rich people in the White House and Congress.

Jim

Your right. We should all just follow your example and vote liberal because they are the true friends of hunters, trappers and gun-owners. Things would be so much better. SMH

LOL!!!!!!

im thinking its time to go libertarian. r's lie as much as d's. national carry, smaller government, balanced budget, local control of public schools. all promised and no delivery.

big fan of that open border thing, yes?

listen, it is our OWN fault things are the way they are....how many average Joes vote in primary elections? most people just don't care enough to get involved when it REALLY counts.

it is only the zealots (both sides) that are actively involved.

and by the looks of things, that isn't likely to change anytime soon.

I agree with you to a point.

There are several examples of R's improving things for hunters, trappers and gun-owners listed on this thread at both the state and federal level. Federally it is basically two guys, President Trump and Secretary Zinke making and approving these changes and they are fighting an uphill battle against most other career politicians on either side of the aisle.

Are the R's doing enough? No, not by a long shot. But when you contrast that with the D's who ran and are currently running on anti-2A platforms. These folks are promising their base that they will do their best to gut 2A. Why any sportsman or gun-owner would vote D is beyond me.

You mentioned the L's. IMO, not a realistic choice and I'm not anywhere near convinced they are a better choice than the R's. Even if they did have a realistic chance of gaining enough power to make a difference in our federal government. Which they don't.

Let's face it, as trappers we have very few allies. The way politics has become a career, without the lobbying power and the money that goes with it, we have little chance.

Money only goes so far and then lead is required.

The reason things are as they are is there is little difference in either side. They both believe in big government just different forms.

Open borders are a good thing but not in a welfare state. Libetarians believe in getting rid of the welfare state as well. Not only social but corporate and industrial military complex.

As long as we wish to remain in the shadows and keep our pocket book closes you are correct.

Nevada has done a great job lobbying at the capital every year for years upon years and the result is proof.

Very minor changes in the way they operate and that's saying a lot considering the amount of Californication that has gone on there.

So the USFWS is a Republican controlled organization? Even Lisa Magiski hates them.

Trump fixed his problem.

http://www.salina.com/6d1dde80-6071-53fb-874c-c0fb1eb8191c.html

Ok Dirt, or any other Alaskians without an agenda help me out here.
After a google to see what the leftists are moaning about, all i come up with are these articles that refer to an Obama era law. What am i missing?

http://peninsulaclarion.com/news/2017-01-18/state-sues-feds-over-predator-control-restrictions

http://www.radiokenai.us/house-votes-to-lift-obama-limits-on-alaska-hunting-trapping/

https://news.unclesamsmisguidedchildren....uges-in-alaska/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sen...federal-n737411

He didn’t fix nothing. Make a law!

Make what kinda law? He (trump) repealed a law, as in removing it, or not?

The problem is USFWS and NPS don’t believe in manipulating wildlife populations by man. It is not law, it is their policies.

Which, according to the law Trump passed and the articles i posted say, just got circumcised. (usfws)
Am i reading it wrong or did you not know about it?

I only read your first article and they passed a resolution.

Here they call it an "act".

http://www.newsminer.com/news/alaska_new...827b15f1d2.html

Looks to me that Trump put the ball in you guys court now. Elect pro-hunting people and your golden.

Public comment period.

Point being, opposite of what's posted above.....Obama era law being fixed by Republicans.

This is how you get these agencies to do what they are told. CUT THIER BUDGETS!

Two years into the swamp drain and federal spending is UP. That is with Republicans in leadership in both houses of Congress. Does anyone find this surprising? Our federal spending is 36% of our GDP. To put that in perspective realize that Great Britain in the late 1800s, when the sun never set on their expanive empire, the % of GDP spent by government was around 10%. Keep this in mind when you pull the lever for the R' s you are saddling your offspring for generations with an insufferable amount debt.

I find it quite ironic that the party of Reagan is now whining about putting up walls and closing down borders. The answer is simple, but politically unpaletable- eliminate the welfare state. America needs immigration. I believe that the 911 terrorists have actually won the culture war. Republicans are scared of their own shadow, have become isolationists who look to depend upon uniformed agents at the border to screen humanity to keep them safe. Inevitablly, when someone slips through the border cracks, it will be Republicans who crow for more security and less freedom.

Careful throwing stones while living in a glass house Finn.

https://reason.com/blog/2016/05/25/gary-johnsons-new-mexico-fiscal-record-d

What party was Gare Bear in when govenor of new Mexico again?