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#6324557 - 09/13/18 07:36 PM More work available than there is manpower...
Mike in A-town Offline
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Registered: 09/29/13
Posts: 6661
Loc: Northeast Oklahoma
...to man it.

The electrical market in my little corner of the world is booming. In the last week, I think 5 guys have left the company I'm working for to go elsewhere. And the prospect of being able to replace them soon is not good.

I fully expect contractors to have to begin increasing compensation to hold on to the help they have.

It just looks to get busier.

Cha-Ching $$$

Mike
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#6324603 - 09/13/18 08:41 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
Matt28 Offline
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Registered: 11/13/13
Posts: 1495
Loc: Oklahoma
Good deal, my buddy was in Puerto Rico and made excellent money as a line man. What part do you do?

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#6324615 - 09/13/18 09:25 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
Andy27 Offline
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Registered: 01/21/12
Posts: 94
Loc: Northern mn
Slow in our area for electrical, but very busy down near the cities. Lots of solar work, with no end in site. Company I work for specializes in oil and gas, and the oil company around here has not spent anything in the last couple years, but hopefully that changes soon with a big project in the near future..

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#6324621 - 09/13/18 09:39 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
GREENCOUNTYPETE Offline
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Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 3076
Loc: Green County Wisconsin
just about every one here is hiring , haven't exactly seen pay go up much.
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#6324623 - 09/13/18 09:44 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
Okie Farmer Offline
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Registered: 05/30/08
Posts: 400
Loc: Oklahoma
Several different electrical company trucks running around the area doing oil field work. Grandson worked for a local electrician for about three months, he liked the work but the work atmosphere wasn't a good fit for him.

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#6324626 - 09/13/18 09:47 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
bucksnbears Offline
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Registered: 10/29/09
Posts: 2555
Loc: western mn
Gotta be a lot of Dems looking to work right ? whistle to
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#6324642 - 09/13/18 10:09 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
racerboy108 Offline
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Registered: 12/03/08
Posts: 4060
Loc: Perham Minnesota 54
Corporates need to change their methods on only concentrating on making profit for the rich greedy owners.

Overworking and paying little will never win long term.

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#6324648 - 09/13/18 10:18 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: racerboy108]
KeithC Offline
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Registered: 05/13/09
Posts: 3148
Loc: Champaign County, Ohio.
Originally Posted By: racerboy108
Corporates need to change their methods on only concentrating on making profit for the rich greedy owners.

Overworking and paying little will never win long term.


Corporations are people and for the most part are good. Socialists and communists never understand this. Liberals manipulate people into hating those that are more sucessfull. You get what you deserve out of life in a capitalist society.

Keith

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#6324662 - 09/13/18 10:29 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
Rat Masterson Offline
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Registered: 08/14/12
Posts: 1444
Loc: SE Minn
If all corporations are so profitable a guy should start his own.

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#6324669 - 09/13/18 10:37 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: racerboy108]
FlyinFinn Offline
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Registered: 11/18/12
Posts: 10303
Loc: MN
Originally Posted By: racerboy108
Corporates need to change their methods on only concentrating on making profit for the rich greedy owners.

Overworking and paying little will never win long term.

Bernie Sanders? Is that you?

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#6324677 - 09/13/18 10:48 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Rat Masterson]
KeithC Offline
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Registered: 05/13/09
Posts: 3148
Loc: Champaign County, Ohio.
Originally Posted By: Rat Masterson
If all corporations are so profitable a guy should start his own.


It's easier for liberals to hate and use the government to steal money from those who work harder, smarter and who are willing to take the risk of starting their own business.

Keith

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#6324708 - 09/14/18 12:12 AM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE]
yotetrapper30 Offline
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Registered: 05/30/11
Posts: 8001
Loc: Oakland, MS
Originally Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE
just about every one here is hiring , haven't exactly seen pay go up much.



Sure has down here! When we moved here 4 years ago, starting pay for unskilled workers was $7.25 since we have no minimum wage in this state. Now I don't know of anywhere that starts for less than $10....

But the benefits are what has really gone nuts... $1 for $1 401ks, great health plans, paid vacation, sick time etc... all from big box stores.


Edited by yotetrapper30 (09/14/18 12:13 AM)

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#6324744 - 09/14/18 04:42 AM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
Marty Offline
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Registered: 01/13/14
Posts: 10428
Loc: North East Kansas
I pay my painter $20+ an hour. Its been very hard to find good help that has a good attitude and will do an above average job. I have been doing a lot of stuff by myself which gets old but there is no drama/bs.

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#6324749 - 09/14/18 04:51 AM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
Ru2hunt Offline
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Registered: 01/30/17
Posts: 64
Loc: Alabama
The problem here is not work and pay...its finding someone that actually will work for the pay!

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#6324753 - 09/14/18 04:57 AM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: racerboy108]
Gary Benson Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 5791
Loc: Sandhills Nebraska
Originally Posted By: racerboy108
Corporates need to change their methods on only concentrating on making profit for the rich greedy owners.

Overworking and paying little will never win long term.


Can you say socialism??
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#6324759 - 09/14/18 05:04 AM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
danny clifton Online   content
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 11716
Loc: williamsburg ks
plenty of good paying jobs around here. a lot of them are offered by greedy corporations

a lot of opportunity to start a business also

my son has one of those jobs with a greedy corporation. has about 83 people he is responsible for. I hear from him all the time how many people they go through to find somebody who will show up on time every day and work when they get there. it is amazing to me how many people can not work without constant supervision. they want paid but don't understand how that pay is generated I guess.


Edited by danny clifton (09/14/18 05:05 AM)
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#6324824 - 09/14/18 06:35 AM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
OhioBoy Offline
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Registered: 01/22/12
Posts: 2079
Loc: Ohio
We hire 100 people and by the first day of work your down to 20 if your lucky. After exams background checks and drug testing.

Then the first day only half of them show up.

Then half them don't last two weeks.

A year later your lucky to have 2 or 3 of them still there.

I bet we do that every month or more often.

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#6324837 - 09/14/18 07:18 AM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
Larry Baer Offline
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Registered: 08/22/11
Posts: 844
Loc: Peoria County Illinois
Originally Posted By: racerboy108
Corporates need to change their methods on only concentrating on making profit for the rich greedy owners.

Overworking and paying little will never win long term.



I have a corporation and own a small company and idiotic ( IMHO ) comments like this one are what makes divisions between good people who would get along fine. I am at work about 70 hours a week plus I farm. There is not enough money made at either job to make a good living. Today I was at my desk at 5:15 making out pay checks, paying unemployment tax, child support for employees, bidding jobs, and I swept the front of our parking lot. I'm leaving at 11:00 to go rake hay. Then it's back to work around 2:00, then in the field around 5:00. Most people out there are well compensated for there jobs and as the person who started this post mentioned it is a workers market right now. You can go about anywhere and make more. It's the same way here. Sounds like Racerboy needs to get off his underpaid _____ and become a greedy rich owner of something other than his millennial woke socialist snowgo.

Probably going to get deleted foo that but I'm going to leave my comments on here. I'm tired of taking shots from the peanut gallery and trying to take the high road all the time. I'm in Illinois surrounded by socialist construction workers who think they're hotshots and look at our state.

It's the same here OhioBoy. Good people are hard to find. I went though 120 applications for the last person I hired. Most young people who stop by to fill out applications don't want the job they just want the check. I had one kid show up in pajamas... I need help now and am paying more than a lot of other places here but it's like you said and sometimes the person you hired is not the same one who shows up on their first day.... People don't leave jobs for money - they leave for other reasons.

For all you guys looking at the job market- good luck. Now is the time to top off your retirements and make good money. Get out there and see the country if you want to.

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#6324895 - 09/14/18 09:13 AM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Matt28]
Mike in A-town Offline
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Registered: 09/29/13
Posts: 6661
Loc: Northeast Oklahoma
Originally Posted By: Matt28
Good deal, my buddy was in Puerto Rico and made excellent money as a line man. What part do you do?


I'm an electrician, not a lineman. But right now we are doing mostly medium voltage gear... 4.16kV and 25kV.

It's getting to the point guys are able to pick and choose their work... Close to the house, more money, less hours... Pick your flavor.

Mike
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#6324926 - 09/14/18 10:16 AM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
J.Morse Offline
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Registered: 05/31/13
Posts: 3198
Loc: Northern Michigan
My SIL is a shift foreman at a machinist shop. He complains constantly about the bozos that work there. Most drizzle in late, run off early, and if asked to pee in a cup they, as often as not, lose their job. The company pays very well and consistently has a shortage of decent workers. It boggles my feeble Boomer mind that folks are so flippant (sp?) about showing up and giving a good days work. Before I made the jump to self-employed, I had numerous jobs, some of which I actually detested. Even those miserable jobs were showed up to on time and worked well. There are just too many ways to NOT have to work nowadays. Were I able, I would still be going 6 or 7 days a week like I did for decades. Thank God both of my kids are great employees that bust their butt and earn every nickel they are paid.


Edited by J.Morse (09/14/18 10:16 AM)
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#6325091 - 09/14/18 03:46 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Larry Baer]
racerboy108 Offline
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Registered: 12/03/08
Posts: 4060
Loc: Perham Minnesota 54
Originally Posted By: Larry Baer
Originally Posted By: racerboy108
Corporates need to change their methods on only concentrating on making profit for the rich greedy owners.

Overworking and paying little will never win long term.



I have a corporation and own a small company and idiotic ( IMHO ) comments like this one are what makes divisions between good people who would get along fine. I am at work about 70 hours a week plus I farm. There is not enough money made at either job to make a good living. Today I was at my desk at 5:15 making out pay checks, paying unemployment tax, child support for employees, bidding jobs, and I swept the front of our parking lot. I'm leaving at 11:00 to go rake hay. Then it's back to work around 2:00, then in the field around 5:00. Most people out there are well compensated for there jobs and as the person who started this post mentioned it is a workers market right now. You can go about anywhere and make more. It's the same way here. Sounds like Racerboy needs to get off his underpaid _____ and become a greedy rich owner of something other than his millennial woke socialist snowgo.

Probably going to get deleted foo that but I'm going to leave my comments on here. I'm tired of taking shots from the peanut gallery and trying to take the high road all the time. I'm in Illinois surrounded by socialist construction workers who think they're hotshots and look at our state.

It's the same here OhioBoy. Good people are hard to find. I went though 120 applications for the last person I hired. Most young people who stop by to fill out applications don't want the job they just want the check. I had one kid show up in pajamas... I need help now and am paying more than a lot of other places here but it's like you said and sometimes the person you hired is not the same one who shows up on their first day.... People don't leave jobs for money - they leave for other reasons.

For all you guys looking at the job market- good luck. Now is the time to top off your retirements and make good money. Get out there and see the country if you want to.




Dude you are more corporate corrupt then you realize.

I did my time owning businesses and am semi retired by doing so. But I did it on my own breaking my own butt.

Take your high and mighty attitude and speculations of others and open your eyes to the big corporates that have ruined today's workers by playing the whole it's all about profit and not caring about the workers.

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#6325120 - 09/14/18 04:26 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
Steven 49er Offline
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Registered: 05/18/10
Posts: 5123
Loc: mn north of blakely
It's not a "workers" market yet. When compensation goes up another 15 or 20 percent it will be close.

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#6325121 - 09/14/18 04:26 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
brianmall Offline
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Registered: 10/07/13
Posts: 8309
Loc: Indiana
Yup

And our former POTUS went from saying 2% was the new norm and poking fun at our current POTUS with his magic wand comments.

To now he is trying to take credit for this economy.
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#6325126 - 09/14/18 04:33 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Steven 49er]
Mike in A-town Offline
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Registered: 09/29/13
Posts: 6661
Loc: Northeast Oklahoma
Originally Posted By: Steven 49er
It's not a "workers" market yet. When compensation goes up another 15 or 20 percent it will be close.


Almost lost another guy today.

They lose too many more and they'll have to look at offering per diem.

Of course they don't want to do that... Buuuuutttt that's what happens when people have options.

Mike
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#6325127 - 09/14/18 04:34 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
Rat Masterson Offline
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Registered: 08/14/12
Posts: 1444
Loc: SE Minn
Wages go up 20% then everyone will cry about inflation, then cry about interest rates.

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#6325132 - 09/14/18 04:41 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
Boco Offline
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Registered: 08/08/11
Posts: 16829
Loc: james bay frontierOnt.
Too bad the workers wont be able to afford anything when the price of goods and services reflects the extra production cost of goods and services.(guess what that does to the debt).


Edited by Boco (09/14/18 04:42 PM)

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#6325142 - 09/14/18 05:00 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Rat Masterson]
Steven 49er Offline
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Registered: 05/18/10
Posts: 5123
Loc: mn north of blakely
Originally Posted By: Rat Masterson
Wages go up 20% then everyone will cry about inflation, then cry about interest rates.


You're putting the buggy before the horse. Wages don't drive inflation, inflation drives wages.

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#6325151 - 09/14/18 05:20 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
Rat Masterson Offline
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Registered: 08/14/12
Posts: 1444
Loc: SE Minn
So if oil goes to $150 a barrel that won't cause inflation, or the next day we all get a raise. Wages are not the only factor in inflation.

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#6325163 - 09/14/18 05:45 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
Steven 49er Offline
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Registered: 05/18/10
Posts: 5123
Loc: mn north of blakely
Wages aren't any factor in inflation. It's cause and effect by an increase in the money supply.

The M1 monetary base, which is money that is available for circulation at any given time is at about 3.6 trillion dollars right now. In 2000 it was 600 billion.

Government deficit spending and Federal Reserve policies are what creates real inflation under a fiat system.

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#6325165 - 09/14/18 05:47 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
Marty Offline
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Registered: 01/13/14
Posts: 10428
Loc: North East Kansas
Good help is the biggest problem for me as I re-start my remodeling business. I have done landscaping by myself for years now because help was such a big problem.
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#6325253 - 09/14/18 07:59 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
Dirt Offline
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Registered: 12/01/10
Posts: 3730
Loc: Armpit, ak
I wish there were more conscientious hardworking young people to replace me. I'm getting tired and everything hurts. frown
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#6325280 - 09/14/18 08:25 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: racerboy108]
Scuba1 Offline
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Registered: 06/10/07
Posts: 4353
Loc: On a Boat
Originally Posted By: racerboy108
Corporates need to change their methods on only concentrating on making profit for the rich greedy owners.

Overworking and paying little will never win long term.


If you are good at what you do , set up your own company. If you are not, then shut up and get your nose to the grindstone until you learn enough to be good at what you do. I am a one man outfit. Charge a 100 bucks per hour minimum for my time. Don't like that??? fine go some other place. I am booked out till December without taking on new work. If ya do't like the pace and responsibility. Hey ya can always push carts around for wally world
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#6325281 - 09/14/18 08:29 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
Dirt Offline
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Registered: 12/01/10
Posts: 3730
Loc: Armpit, ak
You know Jim Rockford use to charge $200 a day plus expenses. Probably would not have had to charge so much if he didn't have to support that weasel buddy of his, Angel. frown
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#6325295 - 09/14/18 08:44 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Steven 49er]
brianmall Offline
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Registered: 10/07/13
Posts: 8309
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: Steven 49er
Wages aren't any factor in inflation. It's cause and effect by an increase in the money supply.

The M1 monetary base, which is money that is available for circulation at any given time is at about 3.6 trillion dollars right now. In 2000 it was 600 billion.

Government deficit spending and Federal Reserve policies are what creates real inflation under a fiat system.


Correct

Unless it's a mandatory pay increase that isn't created by supply and demand. Such as lefty mandatory min wage of 15$
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#6325301 - 09/14/18 08:53 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: OhioBoy]
trapdog1 Offline
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Registered: 02/16/15
Posts: 284
Loc: Iowa
Originally Posted By: OhioBoy
We hire 100 people and by the first day of work your down to 20 if your lucky. After exams background checks and drug testing.

Then the first day only half of them show up.

Then half them don't last two weeks.

A year later your lucky to have 2 or 3 of them still there.

I bet we do that every month or more often.


Used to be if you didn't work you faced the real possibility of going hungry. If that were still the case most of these people would show up.

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#6325317 - 09/14/18 09:13 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
Wanna Be Online   content
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Registered: 05/19/18
Posts: 70
Loc: SW Georgia
What’s sad is everyone talks about the younger generation not wanting to work...where’d they learn that from? Our generation?
It was said I was too hard on my boys at times. Now they say what great work ethics they have. Be on time. Do your job right the first time. And give the man an honest days work for an honest days wage. One just got off his 90 day probation period in 28 days and for a $2 raise in the process. In those 28 days 2 young men that were hired at the same time either quit or was fired.

As far as greedy corporations go, I agree. They are greedy and want 12 hour days instead of 8. They could care less if you have a home life or even drop dead tomorrow. BUT, they are the ones that sign that check every two weeks, supply my insurance, and match that 401K to a certain percentage. I’d rather be a poor white telephone man than a corporate manager any day of the week, lol! My poor Boss takes a vacation and really doesn’t. He’s answering the phone 24/7/365. No thank you. But, these greedy corporations have set me up to retire fairly well in about 10 more years, lol!

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#6325354 - 09/14/18 09:54 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Scuba1]
racerboy108 Offline
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Registered: 12/03/08
Posts: 4060
Loc: Perham Minnesota 54
Originally Posted By: Scuba1
Originally Posted By: racerboy108
Corporates need to change their methods on only concentrating on making profit for the rich greedy owners.

Overworking and paying little will never win long term.


If you are good at what you do , set up your own company. If you are not, then shut up and get your nose to the grindstone until you learn enough to be good at what you do. I am a one man outfit. Charge a 100 bucks per hour minimum for my time. Don't like that??? fine go some other place. I am booked out till December without taking on new work. If ya do't like the pace and responsibility. Hey ya can always push carts around for wally world


Your small potato to see what's happening in the big corporate world. I was self employed my whole life except my military time. I owned several successful businesses working right along my workers and I paid them and treated them right. Some of them worked for me for years.

I set myself up financially secure by age 45. I choose to slow down and enjoy life more. I backed off and consider myself semi retired.

I get some of you guys being defensive on owning your own corporation but what I think you don't see is how the big corporations are being run.

Not all but a lot of big corporations quit caring about their workers. A friend of mine in the corporate world is sick of his job dealing with higher management pushing for more profit with less workers.

His management in the past refused to hire anyone until they were down 15 workers out of a 60 position dept. It was their way of saving money and making the workers work harder.

He said in 8 years he has gone through 7 supervisors and over 300 workers. He was constantly training. First it was college kids, then they had to use temp agencies, then convicts and now the immigrant word keeps coming up.

He is walking away himself now which I can't blame him. This is not a isolated business as a lot of them think this way. To me it's just karma catching up to their greed. This business had the workers but didn't take care of them and now they are whining no one wants to work.

This might not be what Mike's situation is but this is what some of the big corporates have been doing for years.

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#6325364 - 09/14/18 10:07 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
Rat Masterson Offline
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Registered: 08/14/12
Posts: 1444
Loc: SE Minn
Corporations might have done what is being said but those days are over, companies better take care of good employees or they wont have any.

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#6325396 - 09/14/18 11:50 PM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Rat Masterson]
bblwi Offline
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Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 4551
Loc: East-Central Wisconsin
Just raising salaries or wages will not fill jobs that need training or skills if the applicants are not skilled, besides all the other behavioral aspects.
Several firms are investing more in younger workers around here in training etc. as it seems to be a way of showing the employees they want them and that they are willing to invest in them. They are obviously paying the going rates plus some of the extras. For younger single employees investing in training sends a better signal then even higher quality health care. That comes later when they have families so that needs to be part of the package as well.

Our son is a shift foreman supervisor for a cabinet making co and the unskilled positions right now are best filled by the Huber law employees at least they show up. Some are very good workers, some not so much. Some jobs where training is not crucial it is the speed or productivity that many seem to have issues with. They just don't seem to be able to focus and stay on task for several hours.

Bryce

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#6325411 - 09/15/18 12:39 AM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
WHSKR Offline
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Registered: 02/28/14
Posts: 382
Loc: Ky
There is argument on both sides of minimum wages. You can not make a living at $10/ hour. However if your living at home and working part time going to school or learning a trade $10 per hour is not a bad start unless your in NYC or Chicago etc.. but if your in middle Mississippi you aren’t complaining.
Wages are relative to where you are and your chosen lifestyle. Being dependable and worthy is usually a way to a better living wage in most companies. Learn to help your employers and become valuable to them and see what happens. If it’s not good your traits will become more valuable elsewhere.

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#6325413 - 09/15/18 01:29 AM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Steven 49er]
yotetrapper30 Offline
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Registered: 05/30/11
Posts: 8001
Loc: Oakland, MS
Originally Posted By: Steven 49er
Wages aren't any factor in inflation. It's cause and effect by an increase in the money supply.

The M1 monetary base, which is money that is available for circulation at any given time is at about 3.6 trillion dollars right now. In 2000 it was 600 billion.

Government deficit spending and Federal Reserve policies are what creates real inflation under a fiat system.


I'll bite. If McDonald's is paying their employees $7.25 an hour, and a state passes a $15 minimum wage law, and the price of a Whopper goes from $4 to $7.... what is that called, exactly? I would call it inflation, but you say not, so what is it?

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#6325414 - 09/15/18 01:44 AM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
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Originally Posted By: Wanna Be
What’s sad is everyone talks about the younger generation not wanting to work...where’d they learn that from? Our generation?


They learned that from parents who went out of their way to grab every hand out available, and threatened to sue the school when their child came in last at track and field.
Originally Posted By: racerboy108
Originally Posted By: Scuba1


If you are good at what you do , set up your own company. If you are not, then shut up and get your nose to the grindstone until you learn enough to be good at what you do. I am a one man outfit. Charge a 100 bucks per hour minimum for my time. Don't like that??? fine go some other place. I am booked out till December without taking on new work. If ya do't like the pace and responsibility. Hey ya can always push carts around for wally world


Your small potato to see what's happening in the big corporate world. I was self employed my whole life except my military time. I owned several successful businesses working right along my workers and I paid them and treated them right. Some of them worked for me for years.

I set myself up financially secure by age 45. I choose to slow down and enjoy life more. I backed off and consider myself semi retired.

I get some of you guys being defensive on owning your own corporation but what I think you don't see is how the big corporations are being run.

Not all but a lot of big corporations quit caring about their workers. A friend of mine in the corporate world is sick of his job dealing with higher management pushing for more profit with less workers.

His management in the past refused to hire anyone until they were down 15 workers out of a 60 position dept. It was their way of saving money and making the workers work harder.

He said in 8 years he has gone through 7 supervisors and over 300 workers. He was constantly training. First it was college kids, then they had to use temp agencies, then convicts and now the immigrant word keeps coming up.

He is walking away himself now which I can't blame him. This is not a isolated business as a lot of them think this way. To me it's just karma catching up to their greed. This business had the workers but didn't take care of them and now they are whining no one wants to work.

This might not be what Mike's situation is but this is what some of the big corporates have been doing for years.


What big corporate world are you talking about? McDonald's? Walmart and Lowes both now start unskilled school kids at $10-12 an hour, offer paid vacation, paid sick leave, dollar for dollar 401Ks, and health, dental and vision.

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#6325452 - 09/15/18 06:43 AM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
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Any Mcdonalds I've been in is so busy, and the employees are working nonstop, that they would have absolutely no problem paying 15+ an hour.
Funny how so many of uus who make decent money, often with benefits, worry that when the lowest of the low wage workers get a raise it will ruin the ecomomy that has treated us pretty well.

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#6325455 - 09/15/18 06:53 AM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
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hard to fill menial jobs on the border when ny min. is 15.00.
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#6325462 - 09/15/18 07:07 AM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: gryhkl]
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Originally Posted By: gryhkl
Any Mcdonalds I've been in is so busy, and the employees are working nonstop, that they would have absolutely no problem paying 15+ an hour.
Funny how so many of uus who make decent money, often with benefits, worry that when the lowest of the low wage workers get a raise it will ruin the ecomomy that has treated us pretty well.
Government shouldn't mandate wages, the corporation should. Minimum wage shouldn't be the goal to stay at to make a living.

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#6325540 - 09/15/18 09:01 AM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
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When companies pay employees a wage that is so low that the worker get public assistance, it is the tax payer who is making the wage livable. It is corporate welfare.

There was a time in this country when people were forced to work for no pay. These workers were, however, provided a house, food, and basic neccesities to live. Now, without the help of the taxpayers, Low age employees in this country would be working for much less than those who worked for nothing.

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#6325566 - 09/15/18 09:33 AM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
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What do you think a good wage is out in the country that people make a living on everyday out here. $15 a hour is not bad money as the cost of living is less we just do without the 2 jet skies, side by sides, cowboy Cadillacs and a ski boat we can only pick one! LOL


Blame the low wages but what about the cost of living a $6 cup of coffee won't fly here but they sell like crazy in many cities. Id rather live in the country and make less then live in some soulless city never getting any further ahead!



I see people going for the free hand outs that way they can budget their beer/drug money for the week! If you offer it they will take it no problem.
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#6325577 - 09/15/18 09:54 AM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
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^ Same here 15 hr in the Country is considered ok.. If you want more its Commute 70 Miles or more, or Self Employ and work harder and longer hours.
When we bought our house it was 360 a month. You go towards the cities I'm guess 1k to 1500 a month for the avg mortgage nowadays.
Cost of living/your life choices sometimes people cant manage those two together.
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#6325579 - 09/15/18 09:55 AM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
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I am a journeyman electrician.

My time and skills are what I sell to support myself.

When work is slow employees have to compete to earn a paycheck.

When work is flush and there is more work than skilled labor to do it, employers have to compete to gain/retain said labor.

It's business. And as soon as you realize that things get a lot simpler.

Now to be fair to Racer's point of view... There is one aspect that galls me to no end...

When an employee is let go they are told not to take it personal, it's only a business decision.

But when work is flush and an employee chooses to leave, the employer acts insulted... It's a business decision. And the employee has made one to improve their own bottom line. Their time and skills are for sale. And they would be foolish not to sell it to someone who is willing to better compensate them for it.

Business works both ways.

Mike
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#6325585 - 09/15/18 10:10 AM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
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I have never bought any of the fancy coffees, don't have jet skies or side by side. I have a couple houses, little over 100 acres. a hunting camp, and everything is fully paid for.

There folks in the country who will not work, yet they get their heathcare, food, housing, etc.. all paid for by us who pay taxes.

We taxpayers should not be paying to pick up where the wage they are being paid for full time work falls short. Many comapnies have seen their profits grow steadliy since 2009. If we did not feed and house their employees for them, their wages would have had to grow also.

Subsidizing workers wages to help boost company profits is not a "free market economy".

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#6325594 - 09/15/18 10:25 AM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: Mike in A-town]
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We taxpayers shouldn't be paying a income tax anyway. Let those who profit from our skills pay the taxes. Reckon that alone would kill many subsidies.

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#6325609 - 09/15/18 10:41 AM Re: More work available than there is manpower... [Re: gryhkl]
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Originally Posted By: gryhkl
I have never bought any of the fancy coffees, don't have jet skies or side by side. I have a couple houses, little over 100 acres. a hunting camp, and everything is fully paid for.

There folks in the country who will not work, yet they get their heathcare, food, housing, etc.. all paid for by us who pay taxes.

We taxpayers should not be paying to pick up where the wage they are being paid for full time work falls short. Many comapnies have seen their profits grow steadliy since 2009. If we did not feed and house their employees for them, their wages would have had to grow also.

Subsidizing workers wages to help boost company profits is not a "free market economy".


Agreed.

Mike
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