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#6324710 - 09/14/18 12:14 AM Does law enforcement in your area...
FlyinFinn Offline
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Registered: 11/18/12
Posts: 10299
Loc: MN
Use these cell phone information collection tools called stingrays? It is important that you know. It is your private information, and if you don't care government will take further steps to erode your freedoms. If only the 4th amendment had as many supporters as the 1st and 2nd.

https://fee.org/articles/the-stingray-is...source=facebook

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#6324718 - 09/14/18 01:09 AM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
yotetrapper30 Offline
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Registered: 05/30/11
Posts: 7996
Loc: Oakland, MS
You're right, I don't know but I doubt it. Law enforcement in my area don't wake up until a family member calls them about a suspicious vehicle. I love our cops. They don't care less about what we're doing 90% of the time, lol.

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#6324728 - 09/14/18 02:34 AM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
danny clifton Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 11710
Loc: williamsburg ks
says some cops some of the time. nsa does it to everyone all the time
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#6324739 - 09/14/18 03:56 AM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
Wylee Offline
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Registered: 09/18/15
Posts: 1544
Loc: interior alaska
No cops in my area...military is not far though. Not sure theyd find me interesting at all.
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#6324746 - 09/14/18 04:45 AM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
Sheepdog1 Offline
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Registered: 09/15/15
Posts: 913
Loc: Livingston, Texas
Been a cop now going on 30 years and never heard of such a device. If it isn't Ethical, Legal and Moral then it is of no use to me or our Dept. Nor any other Department. When I swore the oath to abide by both the US constitution and the Texas constitution I meant every word I recited. I have no use for info that is obtained unlawfully and in violation of a citizens rights, furthermore, if I knew someone was doing such a thing I would bust their arse. I have a very, very low tolerance for those who tarnish the oath and our duties.
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#6324765 - 09/14/18 05:19 AM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
danny clifton Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 11710
Loc: williamsburg ks
what about nsa sheepdog? they monitor all electronic communication. email, cell phones, all of it. it is one thing to have agents who monitor public sites like this one for possible crimes and quite another to monitor private communication without warrants.

the excuse of course is that information is only stored till a warrant from a secret court is obtained. the little evidence we have suggests that fisa court has never denied a surveillance request.

we have made a tiny bit of progress restoring the 2nd in spite of many gun owners who still insist reasonable gun control is a real thing.

this flaunting of constitutional privacy law needs to be curtailed quickly if not sooner.
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#6324768 - 09/14/18 05:24 AM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
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Registered: 12/01/08
Posts: 10896
Loc: Eastern Shore of Maryland
Will they see a citizen not using all the technology available as a red flag?
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#6324777 - 09/14/18 05:32 AM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
Sheepdog1 Offline
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Registered: 09/15/15
Posts: 913
Loc: Livingston, Texas
Danny I agree with you 1000 percent. I talk a lot of crap when on my cell phones about the Clintons in hopes someone comes to see me. The way I see it, Hillary and Bill are responsible for a lot of deaths(murders) not to mention an Ambassador to Libya, several spec ops retired guys trying to protect the Ambassador and then of course the treasonous act of Uranium one. so if they are monitoring here and listening to my phone calls they can all kiss my arse on the courthouse square, I have no use for them as everything they are doing is illegal. The FISA court Judges aren't Judges no more than you or I. Any Judge who signs every warrant brought before them and the darn thing is baseless and wreaks of extreme bias and prejudice isn't worth the salt in a five gallon bucket of pee. Since they have now been exposed in this Hillary Alinsky ploy, et al, One would think they know they have been getting duped for years on these warrants and hopefully they put to task those who bring before them anything to be signed. The cats out of the bag on that crap now they need to start indicting those responsible.
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#6324782 - 09/14/18 05:38 AM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
Sheepdog1 Offline
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Registered: 09/15/15
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Loc: Livingston, Texas
Hobbie, I have been up all night so I am not sure what you are asking. Who knows what those idiots up there will do after what has been exposed at the top levels of the DOJ. It boils my blood that there have been no indictments for these asinine and illegal, unconstitutional violations of law. Michael Vick was fighting dogs, went to federal prison, Martha Stewart,. insider trading or whatever, lied to FBI went to federal prison. What those two did is miniscule compared to what all of those associated with Obama and the Clintons have been doing for years without consequence.
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#6324787 - 09/14/18 05:49 AM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
loosegoose Offline
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Registered: 06/29/18
Posts: 97
Loc: Beatrice, NE
Ours don't, they have a hard time getting text messages from a confiscated phone if you delete the messages before they take it. They do keep track of all kinds of strange info about you though. They keep track of what you do for a job and even how much they make. If they can get your social security number they have access to your past tax info. They also have a de facto gun registration. A couple years ago I bought a new pistol and promptly went to a local lake to try it out. On the drive home a deputy called me and asked if I had just bought a new smith and Wesson .40 and was just shooting it out at a lake, because apparently I was within 200 yards of a house (only by a few yards, the homeowner apparently is a stickler and likes to complain, and I was shooting safely). How in the world would he know what I had and that I just bought it? When you buy a pistol in Lincoln, you have to record the sale with the police department, and apparently they share that info with other agencies.

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#6324795 - 09/14/18 05:55 AM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: Sheepdog1]
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Registered: 12/01/08
Posts: 10896
Loc: Eastern Shore of Maryland
Originally Posted By: Sheepdog1
Hobbie, I have been up all night so I am not sure what you are asking. Who knows what those idiots up there will do after what has been exposed at the top levels of the DOJ. It boils my blood that there have been no indictments for these asinine and illegal, unconstitutional violations of law. Michael Vick was fighting dogs, went to federal prison, Martha Stewart,. insider trading or whatever, lied to FBI went to federal prison. What those two did is miniscule compared to what all of those associated with Obama and the Clintons have been doing for years without consequence.


I was just curious if those monitoring all of that had reached the point of paranoia that they begin concern about those citizens not putting anything out there to monitor. lol
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#6324799 - 09/14/18 06:00 AM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: danny clifton]
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Registered: 02/23/14
Posts: 6889
Loc: Louisiana
Originally Posted By: danny clifton
what about nsa sheepdog? they monitor all electronic communication. email, cell phones, all of it. it is one thing to have agents who monitor public sites like this one for possible crimes and quite another to monitor private communication without warrants.

the excuse of course is that information is only stored till a warrant from a secret court is obtained. the little evidence we have suggests that fisa court has never denied a surveillance request.

we have made a tiny bit of progress restoring the 2nd in spite of many gun owners who still insist reasonable gun control is a real thing.

this flaunting of constitutional privacy law needs to be curtailed quickly if not sooner.

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#6324800 - 09/14/18 06:01 AM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
Aix sponsa Online   content
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Registered: 02/23/14
Posts: 6889
Loc: Louisiana
Privacy? In 2018? LOL!
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#6324818 - 09/14/18 06:26 AM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
Pawnee Offline
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Registered: 12/12/17
Posts: 331
Loc: Kansas
Little black box that the Feds have. If I remember right it taps into the cell tower to get to the phone. I would doubt that any local police have it. Lots of strings attached as far as the 1st goes. I donít worry about it, because the nsa gets everything already. We can discuss that some other time.

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#6324850 - 09/14/18 07:55 AM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
Sheepdog1 Offline
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Registered: 09/15/15
Posts: 913
Loc: Livingston, Texas
that little black box needs shoved up that orifice right below their tailbone. There are one or two occasions in which I can think of that anything like that would be used in this day and time. they have some far more sophisticated equipment than that box device.
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#6324876 - 09/14/18 08:46 AM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
FlyinFinn Offline
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Registered: 11/18/12
Posts: 10299
Loc: MN
The director of national intelligence under bushama,James clapper, outright lied to Congress about domestic spying. He was never charged, but what is more jaw dropping is that Congress voted to continue spying on American citizens.

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#6324972 - 09/14/18 11:43 AM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
matt817 Offline
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Registered: 07/19/13
Posts: 19
Loc: Kentucky
a lot of misconceptions on the stingray, for one they are not cheap so only major police departments are going to have one and they are highly regulated at the local jurisdiction. They are used most often to locate a specific phone. think fugitive etc... or they are used to block all cell phones in a area bomb threats swat calls etc... You regular cell phone is a lot more of a problem about privacy than the stingray. it tracks your every move when it pings a cell tower and the phone company has it all recorded.

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#6324981 - 09/14/18 11:55 AM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: Sheepdog1]
sanfo008 Offline
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Registered: 05/21/14
Posts: 377
Loc: Northport, Alabama
Originally Posted By: Sheepdog1
Been a cop now going on 30 years and never heard of such a device. If it isn't Ethical, Legal and Moral then it is of no use to me or our Dept. Nor any other Department. When I swore the oath to abide by both the US constitution and the Texas constitution I meant every word I recited. I have no use for info that is obtained unlawfully and in violation of a citizens rights, furthermore, if I knew someone was doing such a thing I would bust their arse. I have a very, very low tolerance for those who tarnish the oath and our duties.


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#6324990 - 09/14/18 12:10 PM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: Aix sponsa]
Aix sponsa Online   content
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Registered: 02/23/14
Posts: 6889
Loc: Louisiana
Originally Posted By: matt817
a lot of misconceptions on the stingray, for one they are not cheap so only major police departments are going to have one and they are highly regulated at the local jurisdiction. They are used most often to locate a specific phone. think fugitive etc... or they are used to block all cell phones in a area bomb threats swat calls etc... You regular cell phone is a lot more of a problem about privacy than the stingray. it tracks your every move when it pings a cell tower and the phone company has it all recorded.





Originally Posted By: Aix sponsa
Privacy? In 2018? LOL!
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#6324996 - 09/14/18 12:38 PM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
GREENCOUNTYPETE Offline
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Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 3068
Loc: Green County Wisconsin
Listening to phone calls is so easy now , I do it for work , one mirrored switch port and I have a recording of every call coming and going from a building.

the problem is that is a huge file in a few minutes , so you need the software to pull that file apart and save the individual calls.

if you have the access tot he network , and the software you can absolutely record every call , then it is a matter of running the audio files through a voice recognition software.

that said you carry a wire tap with you all the time , you pay good money to install them in your house.


hey Wiretap , I mean Alexa , play Willy Nelson city of new orleans.

while I listen to calls all the time my goal is to keep the file to as little as possible so I have less clutter to deal with I want the call I need the signaling info for it and audio so I can prove what is broken and I want no more.

could people be listening , yes they can , is it easier than ever if you have the right access , yes it is , is it admissible in court , no so most local law enforcement has little use for it.

want to go scary , all these DNA tests to determine family lineage your dna sequence is being given away by other family members a lot of people are figuring out htier families dirty little secrets

sperm doners who gave anonymously are being linked to their 50 children

kids given up for adoption quietly or anonymously are being linked back .

there is no privacy just what is admissible in court for your last 4th amendment protection

the Golden state killer found this out .
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#6325002 - 09/14/18 12:55 PM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
Furvor Offline
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Registered: 07/06/08
Posts: 1236
Loc: Idaho Falls, ID
When Law enforcement in my area arrests an offender they do not keep families together by also arresting the children.
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#6325003 - 09/14/18 12:55 PM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
hippie Offline
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Registered: 02/22/10
Posts: 5770
Loc: pa
Growing up, we had a party line with 4 or5 neighbors on the same line. You soon learned to not say anything over the phone you didn't want repeated, lol. I guess these early lessons make todays worries less to me.

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#6325011 - 09/14/18 01:02 PM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
Law Dog Offline
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Registered: 12/11/10
Posts: 14706
Loc: Central, SD
I wish we had the money some people think we have to blow on toys! LOL When I started they handed me a old S/W with Black Talon ammo and a H&R shotgun that might make a poor to fair club, I tossed that junk in the closet and bought my own gear.

You must be thinking about the Fire Dept they have the shinny stuff and they need it for what they do.
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#6325032 - 09/14/18 01:52 PM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
mainer Offline
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Registered: 10/07/15
Posts: 615
Loc: Maine
Nope, local law enforcement in my area doesn't collect and store private cell phone information. But I know who does....

At&T
Verizon
Sprint
T-Mobile
U.S. Cellular

Our local law enforcement also doesn't collect, store and sell my private online information to the highest bidder. But I know who does. I'd provide a list but it's too dam long and we all know who they are anyway. We have a well established "Ministry of Information" already in our midst, but we're too busy chasing the big-G red herring to notice or care.
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#6325049 - 09/14/18 02:32 PM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
Law Dog Offline
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Registered: 12/11/10
Posts: 14706
Loc: Central, SD
I got a letter just yesterday from a car dealer I never bought anything from in my life that said they were interested in my 2010 Ford F250 as they had people interested in it! Sold that truck years ago has not been in my name for many years how did they get that info I wonder?


Log into your Social Security account and see what security info questions they ask you that you never gave them to begin with and see how scary that is~ shocked
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#6325076 - 09/14/18 03:20 PM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
FlyinFinn Offline
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Registered: 11/18/12
Posts: 10299
Loc: MN
Perhaps there may be a business opportunity for a cell phone carrier who believes people should be safe in thier person, papers and effects. Warrant or no, the information too scrambled to read but for the sender and receiver.
It stands to reason this exists already and is used by successful criminal enterprises to do business, leaving the low level idiots and the law abiding to be snooped on by a stingray machine.
All levels of government push their Constitutional limits past what is acceptable, are sued by citizens and the defense is payed by taxpayers. Recently I read where these blow machines drunks have to put on their cars have GPS transponders that the state can look up the coordinates of the vehicle at any time. Offenders where not aware and did not authorize this. There is now a class action lawsuit in Minnesota (taxpayers footing the bill for the defense, of course). It wasn't good enough to just ensure the driver wasn't drunk, they needed to push the envelope a bit farther. Creeps.

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#6325079 - 09/14/18 03:25 PM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
GREENCOUNTYPETE Offline
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Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 3068
Loc: Green County Wisconsin
my local department has enough issue storing all the things they are required by ever changing open records laws , the state keeps mandating more and longer but offers no assistance in.

while I agree that records should be open , the requests get ridiculous and have an staff spending a bunch of time each week processing the requests.

if the state wants it collected everything should get sent tot eh state for archival and make a state open records department as a part of DOJ and quit killing every small towns department with the paperwork and let them spend the dollars on patrol.

it would make a whole lot more sense to pay a one time dollar per record number and hand that info off to the state and let them warehouse the info in a way were they can have people who specialize in records management with high speed printers that could print a label cover sheet with postage and it could go in a a envelope or box to ship and not have every small department have to put officer time at it printing hundreds of pages at a time on a small office printer.
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#6325080 - 09/14/18 03:26 PM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
Law Dog Offline
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Registered: 12/11/10
Posts: 14706
Loc: Central, SD
Wife just got a cell phone (smart phone) I phone program, she has been bombarded with out of State calls since day 1 from a couple to several a day. My guess is the phone is cheap and the money they make comes from selling her number to whoever will pay the price for it!
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#6325129 - 09/14/18 04:36 PM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
Boco Offline
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Registered: 08/08/11
Posts: 16816
Loc: james bay frontierOnt.
I couldnt care less.I don't own any of those silly phone computer thingys that anyone can hack.
You are aware of the fact that anyone can listen in to phone calls so basically you are accepting the consequences of owning them. Implied consent.

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#6325145 - 09/14/18 05:02 PM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: Boco]
mainer Offline
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Registered: 10/07/15
Posts: 615
Loc: Maine
Originally Posted By: Boco
You are aware of the fact that anyone can listen in to phone calls so basically you are accepting the consequences of owning them. Implied consent.

The same is true of smoke signals, Boco.
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#6325154 - 09/14/18 05:25 PM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
Camohoyt340 Offline
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Registered: 01/12/13
Posts: 445
Loc: New York
Is there a list of agencies that have the device? I read the article but only saw a couple departments listed. This stuff really bothers me. I know that the NSA monitors calls, but for some reason the thought of the county sheriffs and state police being able to listen to my calls and read my texts at will, makes my blood boil. I canít explain why. Then I hear it all the time ďwhat are you worried about? Do you have something to hide?Ē Or ďI have nothing to hide so I donít care.Ē When I hear that stuff being said I canít help but wonder where we went wrong. I hate losing any bit of freedom. Itís bad enough that my license plate is scanned numerous times a day and my location is cataloged for no reason at all. Címon people need to wake up.

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#6325208 - 09/14/18 06:50 PM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: Camohoyt340]
Aix sponsa Online   content
trapper

Registered: 02/23/14
Posts: 6889
Loc: Louisiana
Originally Posted By: Camohoyt340
Is there a list of agencies that have the device? I read the article but only saw a couple departments listed. This stuff really bothers me. I know that the NSA monitors calls, but for some reason the thought of the county sheriffs and state police being able to listen to my calls and read my texts at will, makes my blood boil. I canít explain why. Then I hear it all the time ďwhat are you worried about? Do you have something to hide?Ē Or ďI have nothing to hide so I donít care.Ē When I hear that stuff being said I canít help but wonder where we went wrong. I hate losing any bit of freedom. Itís bad enough that my license plate is scanned numerous times a day and my location is cataloged for no reason at all. Címon people need to wake up.



Hate to break it to you, but digital privacy is a myth, at least for the Winstons of the World. Fact.
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#6325226 - 09/14/18 07:12 PM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: hippie]
GREENCOUNTYPETE Offline
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Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 3068
Loc: Green County Wisconsin
Originally Posted By: hippie
Growing up, we had a party line with 4 or5 neighbors on the same line. You soon learned to not say anything over the phone you didn't want repeated, lol. I guess these early lessons make todays worries less to me.



I grew up in a small town .

didn't have a party line but , it was the old lady spy network . I learned early if you don't want to be seen doing something , don't do it.
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#6325275 - 09/14/18 08:16 PM Re: Does law enforcement in your area... [Re: FlyinFinn]
Sheepdog1 Offline
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Registered: 09/15/15
Posts: 913
Loc: Livingston, Texas
If I could talk about some of the stuff I have seen and know about, it would really make you cringe. Like I said above the only times these specific tools are utilized are around major events in which specific intel has been established to suspect terrorist activity both foreign and domestic.

The cell phone companies listed above require a search warrant now to obtain any info in regards to a criminal case, then if you have a device, computer from a child porn offender, cell phones from persons arrested for serious felony crimes you have to obtain another warrant to access that device. I am glad we have to get search warrants. My angle on this specific area is that we should be following the intent of the law and the constitution. Our right to privacy outweighs the need for open free range in getting access to the above information. Get the search warrant and you better not lie on the application for the warrant.

I know that not all Officers nor agencies will play by the rule of law and constitution but I can only control my actions and the actions of those who are under my command. We will do the right thing for the right reason every time. I have no tolerance for laziness or LE that try to subvert the system in place.

I could rant on this for days or weeks. If it isn't Ethical, Legal and Moral. you do not do whatever you are contemplating if it violates any one of those principals.
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