Re: Whitetail habitat improvement
[Re: AJE]
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09/17/18 11:22 PM
09/17/18 11:22 PM
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52Carl
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Honeysuckle here is an invasive. Instead of fertilizer, we give it herbicide.
But I've heard fertilizing mature oaks around your stand can improve acorns. Are you referring to the honeysuckle bush as apposed to the vine type? Whitetails, especially mature bucks and does feed on the vine type extensively even when there is ample corn and beans available. I believe that it, as well as other browse plants keep the microbes in their stomachs happy.
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Re: Whitetail habitat improvement
[Re: Wanna Be]
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09/17/18 11:46 PM
09/17/18 11:46 PM
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Wesley
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I’ve always heard if you manage for quail everything else prospers, I now believe that and even our State WMA’s are starting this practice. Add trapping almost 365 days a year and you have an awesome piece of Gods Country for all your game. I've heard this advice as well, and in my experience it seems to be true. You also brought up another good point about logging. I think it's in deer hunter's DNA/genes to freak out when they realize where they hunt is about to get logged. But the highest deer and quail populations I've ever seen were in areas where logging is regularly taking place across the landscape. Another thing that really makes a difference in those pine plantations is regular burning. But, WHEN you burn is almost as important as IF you burn. Seems like a growing season burn in the early spring really does the most for browse.
Previously Bridger158, before the great "Time Out".
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Re: Whitetail habitat improvement
[Re: AJE]
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09/17/18 11:50 PM
09/17/18 11:50 PM
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AJE
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Yes, logging can be a great management tool. The loggers just showed up at my oak property Friday.
Last edited by AJE; 09/17/18 11:50 PM.
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Re: Whitetail habitat improvement
[Re: AJE]
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09/20/18 09:26 PM
09/20/18 09:26 PM
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run
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I live in the mountains of Virginia. Not much farmland close by, so I think food plots are worth it for me.
wanna be goat farmer.
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Re: Whitetail habitat improvement
[Re: AJE]
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09/20/18 10:48 PM
09/20/18 10:48 PM
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Posts: 10,392 MT
snowy
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My ranch is surrounded by crop land of many sorts and bedding areas are many consisting of very rough country to river bottom area.
There is a lot of WT but in 50 years of hunting I have only harvested two WT deer. One was 40 years ago with a rifle and one about 6 years back with a bow. Really no need to create a food plot or bedding area to hunt over.
Give me a fish, I will eat for a day. Teach me to fish, I will eat for a lifetime
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Re: Whitetail habitat improvement
[Re: AJE]
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09/21/18 10:30 PM
09/21/18 10:30 PM
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Willy Firewood
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Finally, someone else sees the value of hinge cutting!
When asked to do it I politely refuse and explain why. I have not yet seen where it was of value. I find something more worthwhile to improve. I have seen some real disasters.
FRAC LIVES MATTER
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Re: Whitetail habitat improvement
[Re: AJE]
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09/23/18 09:44 AM
09/23/18 09:44 AM
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Dirty D
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habitat (food, cover and water) is always key for any animal, deer or warblers, it does not matter. If you figure out what is lacking in your area and key in on that. There is no one answer for all areas. Never been a fan of food plots. Timber stand improvement 1st, planting native food sources 2nd. Habitat management is key if one wants more deer, food is just one part of the puzzle.
I live in ag country. Deer move around to the food source of the week. Apples at certain times, oaks, corn. It changes.
During gun season its all about safe spots, areas that have no hunting pressure. They remain the same year after year. The cover is not any better, it just is free from hunters. After opening morning odds get very bad for antler hunters.
Bow season, the bucks are traveling looking for does. They will be around for a couple of days then they are gone to find other does. Usually 3-4 days in the first 10 days or so of Nov. in my area. If you want antlers only thats the time to hunt. Your odds will go up massively.
So in my area, yes, do habitat improvement but more importantly keep pressure light and you'll do fine as long as you have enough acres of habitat.
Many still have not figured out that forest is poor habitat for deer. Savanna/woodland is much better. Predators are not the limiting factor in deer populations, habitat is. Stop worrying about wolves and start up the chain saws and you'll have more deer.
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