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Amount of bait down the dirt hole ? #6340513
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When I first started trapping K9's I watched a video from a leading trapper doing a dirt hole set and he put a heaping table spoon of bait down the hole and said " you don't trap on credit " whatever that means. I have found that a pea to bean sized glob of bait down the hole has produced the best with prepared baits, and fresh red meat baits about two or three golf ball sized chunks. I rarely use lures at dirt hole sets. This has worked for me, curious how much bait do you use at a dirt hole set ?

Re: Amount of bait down the dirt hole ? [Re: kyron4] #6340515
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He must have been trying to sell bait.

Re: Amount of bait down the dirt hole ? [Re: kyron4] #6340557
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I'm not measuring when baiting the hole, but I use around a quarter sized smear. The point is not to feed the animal....


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Re: Amount of bait down the dirt hole ? [Re: kyron4] #6340563
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I made up some bait this year. After I ground up 2 cats and 2 beaver I had more than a gallon of meat of each. Mixed in some of Bob Jameson's Maxx force bait solution and I have nearly 2.5 gallons of home made bait and still own quite a large load of other baits from last year.

Point is next year I don't want to have more bait than the 4 gallons I got now.

Best to use more than less. Might keep the yote at the hole longer.

It doesn't make sense to store bait year after year knowing that I will that I will just make more next year.

Now obviously they guys who sell bait are trying to sell bait.
However, I'm sure the guys who sell bait just use more because they have 100+ gallons of bait laying around.

Not because they are trying to swindle you into buying more of their bait.

Use what works. If you get away with a pea size go for it, but don't miss an animal cuz it got your bait in one swipe.
Make it dig till it steps on the pan.


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Re: Amount of bait down the dirt hole ? [Re: kyron4] #6340724
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I use about a tablespoon full of bait in a dirthole set.

Less in a mouse hole, or double dirt hole.

Re: Amount of bait down the dirt hole ? [Re: kyron4] #6340766
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The amount I use depends on the bait a loud bait less subtle baits more. I don't want my quarry to satisfy its interest before it gets to the hole. I've found certain smells you can go overboard on! Fishy smells less is best. Urine cant be over used.


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Re: Amount of bait down the dirt hole ? [Re: kyron4] #6341031
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Our chunk baits are about the 1/2 the size of a golf ball and most customers use 1 chunk per set...so they get bout 35-40 sets per quart of bait.


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Re: Amount of bait down the dirt hole ? [Re: kyron4] #6341240
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I bring a plastic picnic spoon with me and one scoop is enough.

Re: Amount of bait down the dirt hole ? [Re: kyron4] #6341273
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If a little bit helps a whole lot has got to do more. smile

Re: Amount of bait down the dirt hole ? [Re: kyron4] #6341274
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Filler to the top and don't look back. These high dollar Midwest coyotes you can't afford to miss. Lol

Re: Amount of bait down the dirt hole ? [Re: kyron4] #6341309
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No, don't fill it to the top.
Just put a little on sheeps wool.

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Re: Amount of bait down the dirt hole ? [Re: kyron4] #6341314
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The snow showed me that when I used to much bait the K9 would stop short of the set and move on. Surely getting all the smell to satisfy its curiosity. When I went to much smaller amounts my catch rate went up. I think sometimes we forget how powerful a K9 sense of smell is, trained police dogs can smell drugs vacuum pack in a gas tanks.

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Hmmmmmm.... note to self I am using way to much bait.


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Re: Amount of bait down the dirt hole ? [Re: kyron4] #6341467
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Originally Posted By: kyron4
The snow showed me that when I used to much bait the K9 would stop short of the set and move on. Surely getting all the smell to satisfy its curiosity. When I went to much smaller amounts my catch rate went up. I think sometimes we forget how powerful a K9 sense of smell is, trained police dogs can smell drugs vacuum pack in a gas tanks.


This assumes that their only interest is in determining what the bait is, by smell. A good bait should entice them to want more than just a sniff. When I smell an apple pie it does more than satisfy my curiosity.

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I'm sure with commercial baits it can be overdone, but with natural or fresh baits I disagree and would stuff a deer down a hole without thinking twice if it were possible. In most cases the size and depth of the hole determines how much I put in. I put as much as I can in as long as critters can't get at it and make a mess. I keep a small freezer full of woodchuck, rabbit, pigeons, deer organs, and various other free baits and do my best to use it all up the first month. As it gets colder, I switch over to tainted baits and commercial baits, then I cut back on amounts.

Re: Amount of bait down the dirt hole ? [Re: walleye101] #6341483
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Originally Posted By: walleye101
[This assumes that their only interest is in determining what the bait is, by smell. A good bait should entice them to want more than just a sniff. When I smell an apple pie it does more than satisfy my curiosity.


True, but if you really want pumpkin pie that day then apple pie may just keep you looking for pumpkin . But just a slight hint of something cooking will bring you into the kitchen to see what's cooking. wink

Different baits, different, days, different dogs, lots of variables. That's trapping, always changing.

Re: Amount of bait down the dirt hole ? [Re: kyron4] #6341586
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So If you use NO LURE and just place a natural slightly tainted bait In the hole what do you think your results will be?

A bait placed down In a hole Isn't going to give off much of a odor. Especially when you put a little covering over It. And that slight odor Isn't going to reach out very far. So you need to be spot on when It comes to location. No wind and high humidity will even make It worse. Since any odor your bait has will be kept close to the ground.
So In my opinion how much bait makes no difference.
Know If your bait has been doctored It becomes a lure. And this will make a difference.
Know when you gang set you can get away with having empty holes and some baited holes because you have a lure at one set that's drawing those critters In to that set location.

This may be bit off topic but here goes.

When I'm running CRs I have access to lots of restored prairies. I create draw stations In these locations. When I first started doing this I had some success but more then a few times they were never touched. Super large bait right. Then I figured once those carcass froze they weren't giving off much scent. So I used some absorbent material soaked In LDC lure placed up high off the ground. And bingo that made all the difference In the world.
I guess my point Is. That no matter how big or small your bait Is It doesn't make any difference unless the critter Is drawn In to that location by some far reaching scent.


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Re: Amount of bait down the dirt hole ? [Re: kyron4] #6342469
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I buy MB bobcat with glands and beaver meat in 5 gallon buckets. I NEVER worry about using to much bait. I use 2 or 3 oz down a deep 4 inch by 16 inch deep hole with great results On flat sets and punch hole i use a fork full

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I use very little lure/bait, but I give them 2 or 3 different smells per set. Then somewhere in the area just a straight pee post just in case they're on to me.

Re: Amount of bait down the dirt hole ? [Re: ~ADC~] #6343387
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Originally Posted By: ~ADC~
If a little bit helps a whole lot has got to do more. smile


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