Strictly Trapping


No Profanity *** No Flaming *** No Advertising *** No Anti Trappers *** No Politics
No Non-Target Catches *** No Links to Anti-trapping Sites *** No Avoiding Profanity Filter


Home~Trap Talk~ADC Forum~Trap Shed~Wilderness Trapping~International Trappers~Fur Handling

Auction Forum~Trapper Tips~Links~Gallery~Basic Sets~Convention Calendar~Chat~ Trap Collecting Forum

Trapper's Humor~Strictly Trapping~Fur Buyers Directory~Mugshots~Fur Sale Directory~Wildcrafting

Trapper's Tales~Words From The Past~Legends~Archives~Kids Forum~Lure Formulators Forum


~~~ Dobbins' Products Catalog ~~~


Trading Post
(Please support F&T Trading Post, our sponsor for the Trapping Only Forum)



TrappersPost
Please support Trappers post, a sponsor of the Strictly Trapping Forum



Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 2 1 2
WI Cable Restraint with shock spring #6343682
10/09/18 12:06 AM
10/09/18 12:06 AM
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 15
WI
R
RCWAngus Offline OP
trapper
RCWAngus  Offline OP
trapper
R

Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 15
WI
Just curious if anyone has tried adding an inline shock spring to their Cable Restraints to prevent them from breaking the Break away device? I caught 3 red fox last year and 1 coyote in cable restraints. The coyote popped the 285# Break away and got away before I could get a shot. These were cable restraints I ordered from Newt, they seemed to be good quality. I am not assessing any blame to Newt or his products. It seems to me that an inline shock spring could help reduce the strain on the break away device and possibly prevent a failure. Your thoughts? Has anyone tried this already?

Re: WI Cable Restraint with shock spring [Re: RCWAngus] #6343876
10/09/18 09:58 AM
10/09/18 09:58 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,797
Wisconsin
T
The Beav Offline
trapper
The Beav  Offline
trapper
T

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,797
Wisconsin
Did the coyote chew out or did the BAD fail?
The only problem with the shock spring Is you are defeating the purpose of the BAD. So when you catch a deer It still may be In your CR.
And for sure you don't want to be placing a shock spring In your cable set up. Maybe right at the staking system but not In line.


The forum Know It All according to Muskrat
Re: WI Cable Restraint with shock spring [Re: RCWAngus] #6343903
10/09/18 10:46 AM
10/09/18 10:46 AM
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 15
WI
R
RCWAngus Offline OP
trapper
RCWAngus  Offline OP
trapper
R

Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 15
WI
The BAD failed, it opened up. The coyote ran from one side of the catch circle to the other side which created enough force to open it up, I watched it happen. I was thinking of adding the inline @ the base by the staking ststem.

Re: WI Cable Restraint with shock spring [Re: RCWAngus] #6343904
10/09/18 10:48 AM
10/09/18 10:48 AM
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 15
WI
R
RCWAngus Offline OP
trapper
RCWAngus  Offline OP
trapper
R

Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 15
WI
Also, it was 1 x 19 cable with a mid length barrel swivel and a swivel by the staking system

Re: WI Cable Restraint with shock spring [Re: RCWAngus] #6343918
10/09/18 11:07 AM
10/09/18 11:07 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,797
Wisconsin
T
The Beav Offline
trapper
The Beav  Offline
trapper
T

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,797
Wisconsin
So your BAD was a J hook or S hook type. I never liked those I would rather use a crush on BAD. But I've had those fail at times to.
There was a dealer In the past that changed out his cable. It was maybe a red one thinner then the cable he was using. And His crimping tool wasn't set up for the other cable. Needles to say there were a lots of unhappy CR users.


The forum Know It All according to Muskrat
Re: WI Cable Restraint with shock spring [Re: RCWAngus] #6343944
10/09/18 12:05 PM
10/09/18 12:05 PM
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 15
WI
R
RCWAngus Offline OP
trapper
RCWAngus  Offline OP
trapper
R

Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 15
WI
It was the S hook type

Re: WI Cable Restraint with shock spring [Re: RCWAngus] #6343951
10/09/18 12:26 PM
10/09/18 12:26 PM
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 16,261
Iowa
~ADC~ Offline
The Count
~ADC~  Offline
The Count

Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 16,261
Iowa
Can you shorten up your CR's? If a big coyote gets enough run and it'll hit the end of the cable darn hard. I'd rather use a shorter (maybe 4') CR than add shock springs.

Re: WI Cable Restraint with shock spring [Re: RCWAngus] #6343993
10/09/18 01:48 PM
10/09/18 01:48 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,797
Wisconsin
T
The Beav Offline
trapper
The Beav  Offline
trapper
T

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,797
Wisconsin
You can't make a 4' CR work. It takes about 40 " to make a 12" loop then we can hang them 12" off the ground. That doesn't leave you enough cable to get to the ground to stake It down. Then If you add a 4' extension your right back to a 7' CR.

But I understand the running start.


The forum Know It All according to Muskrat
Re: WI Cable Restraint with shock spring [Re: RCWAngus] #6344076
10/09/18 04:28 PM
10/09/18 04:28 PM
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 293
Barron Couny, WI
John Deere Steve Offline
trapper
John Deere Steve  Offline
trapper

Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 293
Barron Couny, WI
Upgrade to the #350 break aways. They are legal here in Wi.


Poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine!
Re: WI Cable Restraint with shock spring [Re: RCWAngus] #6344111
10/09/18 05:31 PM
10/09/18 05:31 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,797
Wisconsin
T
The Beav Offline
trapper
The Beav  Offline
trapper
T

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,797
Wisconsin
There ya go.


The forum Know It All according to Muskrat
Re: WI Cable Restraint with shock spring [Re: RCWAngus] #6344117
10/09/18 05:34 PM
10/09/18 05:34 PM
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 5,445
Southern Michigan
T
trappergbus Offline
trapper
trappergbus  Offline
trapper
T

Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 5,445
Southern Michigan
How long were the original CRs? You'll defeat the pourpose of any BAD with a shock spring. All my Crs are 40 inches of 1x19 5/64th or 1/16th for the loop then a barrel inline swivel then extended to 6-8 feet of 3/32nd 7x7. All with BADs . With a longer snare leg caught deer brake out (the intended purpose of the BAD) 100 percent of the time. Iv'e had one BAD fail with coyotes in the last 5 years. Longer is better, yotes run around in circles and deer get out.


Common sense catches alot of fur..
Pay homage to all you harvest..
Re: WI Cable Restraint with shock spring [Re: RCWAngus] #6344124
10/09/18 05:43 PM
10/09/18 05:43 PM
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 15
WI
R
RCWAngus Offline OP
trapper
RCWAngus  Offline OP
trapper
R

Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 15
WI
I'm aware that 350 lb are legal now they weren't when I bought these CR. However, a 40lb coyote shouldn't be able to break a 285 lb either? Also, if an inline shock spring would defeat the purpose of a BAD would that be a negative result aside from a slight chance of holding a deer? Kinda a legal loophole? But still a non-lethal snare?

Re: WI Cable Restraint with shock spring [Re: RCWAngus] #6344142
10/09/18 06:01 PM
10/09/18 06:01 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,797
Wisconsin
T
The Beav Offline
trapper
The Beav  Offline
trapper
T

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,797
Wisconsin
I believe 7' is max length for our CRs.


The forum Know It All according to Muskrat
Re: WI Cable Restraint with shock spring [Re: RCWAngus] #6344311
10/09/18 09:16 PM
10/09/18 09:16 PM
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 15
WI
R
RCWAngus Offline OP
trapper
RCWAngus  Offline OP
trapper
R

Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 15
WI
I believe my CR are 60 inches but need to check. Only probably I see with adding more length is a bigger catch circle, which is more of a challenge in regards to entanglement restrictions. Also a larger catch circle chews up a location faster which may only result in 1 catch vs multiple catches. I use 5 feet of chain on traps with the portable pocket system for coyotes and it works great.

Re: WI Cable Restraint with shock spring [Re: RCWAngus] #6344812
10/10/18 03:38 PM
10/10/18 03:38 PM
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 5,445
Southern Michigan
T
trappergbus Offline
trapper
trappergbus  Offline
trapper
T

Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 5,445
Southern Michigan
For a BAD to have a chance to work you must have a Solid anchor point. The reason the law requires a bad is so in the event a deer or other large game gets caught the BAD straightens and releases the deer Etc. Even with a 7 foot CR a shock spring will negate the BAD from its intent. There a ways to get the coyote away from the location, or just move up or down the trail. I love big circles, so do coyotes. It makes the rest mill around and get nailed..
Before you add shocks I would ask the DNR if it's even legal. I would wager that it isn't. please keep us posted.

Talk to Newt about this, I'm sure he will agree. It's not his fault the BAD failed, he needs to now so he can check his supplier.

Last edited by trappergbus; 10/10/18 03:43 PM.

Common sense catches alot of fur..
Pay homage to all you harvest..
Re: WI Cable Restraint with shock spring [Re: RCWAngus] #6344817
10/10/18 03:58 PM
10/10/18 03:58 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 9,733
Northern Illinois
M
MChewk Offline
trapper
MChewk  Offline
trapper
M

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 9,733
Northern Illinois
Playing devil's advocate here..... Is it illegal to have a shock spring on a cable restraint? Wondering if this tactic might just be a way around losing coyotes in these set ups???

Re: WI Cable Restraint with shock spring [Re: RCWAngus] #6345100
10/10/18 10:29 PM
10/10/18 10:29 PM
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 15
WI
R
RCWAngus Offline OP
trapper
RCWAngus  Offline OP
trapper
R

Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 15
WI
From my understanding of reading the WI regs, there is nothing banning the use of shock springs on CR.

Here is the interesting part about WI regulations. A couple years ago WI allowed the use of foot snares (foot cable restraints). The regs state that foot CR MUST be equipped with an inline shock spring......

Both CR must have a 350 lb or less BAD

Re: WI Cable Restraint with shock spring [Re: RCWAngus] #6345130
10/10/18 11:42 PM
10/10/18 11:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 10,007
WI - Wisconsin
A
AJE Offline
trapper
AJE  Offline
trapper
A

Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 10,007
WI - Wisconsin
Neck CR's in Wi can't be spring activated. I don't know for sure what that means, but maybe WDNR is referring to shock springs.

Last edited by AJE; 10/10/18 11:43 PM.
Re: WI Cable Restraint with shock spring [Re: RCWAngus] #6345135
10/10/18 11:52 PM
10/10/18 11:52 PM
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 3,162
Green Bay, Wisconsin
tlguy Offline
trapper
tlguy  Offline
trapper

Joined: May 2013
Posts: 3,162
Green Bay, Wisconsin
I think spring activated CRs and CRs with inline shock springs are two different things.

Re: WI Cable Restraint with shock spring [Re: RCWAngus] #6345137
10/10/18 11:54 PM
10/10/18 11:54 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,797
Wisconsin
T
The Beav Offline
trapper
The Beav  Offline
trapper
T

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,797
Wisconsin
No It's referring to the Collorem (SP) It's a spring activated neck snare.

Last edited by The Beav; 10/10/18 11:55 PM.

The forum Know It All according to Muskrat
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread

Moderated by  Drifter, Wolfdog91 

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1