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Re: FACEBOOK LIVE MARKET UPDATE DIRECT FROM CHINA
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6346006
10/12/18 02:13 PM
10/12/18 02:13 PM
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Posts: 3,635
Pottawatamie co. IA
LLtrapper
"The Coon Combine"
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"The Coon Combine"
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Pottawatamie co. IA
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You are looking for results. I am looking for results GFW is looking for results. FAIR trade is the result we want to see. The Trump administration is pushing back against unfair practices to include tariffs already put on a lot of goods not just beans and fur although those are our interests. It is far more reaching than that. So other than doing nothing and excepting the fact that we are to pay them and not complain like we have been, what would you do? I trust the president and his advisers. Unfair trade is not free trade. LLL
Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
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Re: FACEBOOK LIVE MARKET UPDATE DIRECT FROM CHINA
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6346010
10/12/18 02:17 PM
10/12/18 02:17 PM
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Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 11,181
Armpit, ak
Dirt
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Armpit, ak
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I guess one way GFW and the Auctions could get around the Chinese tariffs is to try and sell fur somewhere else. Korea?
Who is John Galt?
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Re: FACEBOOK LIVE MARKET UPDATE DIRECT FROM CHINA
[Re: pcr2]
#6346015
10/12/18 02:21 PM
10/12/18 02:21 PM
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Posts: 20,037
SEPA
Lugnut
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Ive sold them fur numerous times. don't holler at me Phil,i'm sensative.  .after 2 weeks of scouting for coyotes i'm starting to think all your reds moved up here to get away from you.good day,i'll shut up now. That sounds like great news to me! I'd rather catch reds than them stinking old coyotes any day! Sorry if that offends you...I know you're sensitive.
Eh...wot?
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Re: FACEBOOK LIVE MARKET UPDATE DIRECT FROM CHINA
[Re: LLtrapper]
#6346017
10/12/18 02:22 PM
10/12/18 02:22 PM
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Posts: 11,181
Armpit, ak
Dirt
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Armpit, ak
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I took offense to him implying that he wants business as usual is and that's ok. He is making money now and we are just "trapping for the fun".
Dirt I will correct you. We as trappers and the American farmer are producers. LLL I know a lot of farmers that get paid not to produce anything. So,(there you go walleyed) some farmers are producers, but we have a consumer economy. Most Americans are not in the producing business.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: FACEBOOK LIVE MARKET UPDATE DIRECT FROM CHINA
[Re: Dirt]
#6346061
10/12/18 03:30 PM
10/12/18 03:30 PM
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Posts: 1,047
Iowa
mink99
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Iowa
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I guess one way GFW and the Auctions could get around the Chinese tariffs is to try and sell fur somewhere else. Korea? The auctions have been selling to Korea for years. In fact, Groenewald and any auction worth a dang pushes fur to every available market there is.
ITA, NTA, FTA
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Re: FACEBOOK LIVE MARKET UPDATE DIRECT FROM CHINA
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6346066
10/12/18 03:36 PM
10/12/18 03:36 PM
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Posts: 1,047
Iowa
mink99
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Iowa
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I know the Donald is trying to fix these tariffs. But what will end up being lost permanently? Take soybeans, China has already turned toward other countries to fill needs. I believe China will still need some U.S. beans but what market share will be permanently lost.
Will the same happen with fur? The biggest loser will be the U.S. country fur buyer and any fur auction held in this country. I get why Groenewald says what he does about living with the tariffs. More could be lost if he doesn’t.
ITA, NTA, FTA
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Re: FACEBOOK LIVE MARKET UPDATE DIRECT FROM CHINA
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6346076
10/12/18 03:58 PM
10/12/18 03:58 PM
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Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 11,181
Armpit, ak
Dirt
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trapper
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Armpit, ak
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mink99, unless I'm wrong, under MFN China has a 31% tax (20% tariff and 11% VAT) on imports from all our wild fur competitors. Less on ranch mink. The only people that benefit from these tariffs would be Chinese fur farmers and the Chinese government.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: FACEBOOK LIVE MARKET UPDATE DIRECT FROM CHINA
[Re: Dirt]
#6346083
10/12/18 04:09 PM
10/12/18 04:09 PM
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Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 3,635
Pottawatamie co. IA
LLtrapper
"The Coon Combine"
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"The Coon Combine"
Joined: Oct 2009
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Pottawatamie co. IA
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I took offense to him implying that he wants business as usual is and that's ok. He is making money now and we are just "trapping for the fun".
Dirt I will correct you. We as trappers and the American farmer are producers. LLL I know a lot of farmers that get paid not to produce anything. So,(there you go walleyed) some farmers are producers, but we have a consumer economy. Most Americans are not in the producing business. It was not all that long ago that we were. Maybe that is the problem with the trade imbalance. Everything is being produced over there to be sold back to us instead of the other way around. LLL
Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
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Re: FACEBOOK LIVE MARKET UPDATE DIRECT FROM CHINA
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6346084
10/12/18 04:11 PM
10/12/18 04:11 PM
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Posts: 1,047
Iowa
mink99
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Iowa
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Dirt, the Chinese government wants as much domestic fur used as possible. Problem is a lot of the ranch mink were pelted in August and September. So it is flat junk. I don’t know exactly what the tariff numbers are but you are right the tariffs were put in place to benefit everything chinese.
Maybe Trump will break the Chinese government or reach some agreement. I have heard a lot of the Chinese dressing plants have moved to Vietnam and other countries to lessen labor costs and avoid some of the tariffs.
ITA, NTA, FTA
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Re: FACEBOOK LIVE MARKET UPDATE DIRECT FROM CHINA
[Re: Nd native]
#6346088
10/12/18 04:17 PM
10/12/18 04:17 PM
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north Idaho
wissmiss
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trapper
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north Idaho
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There is a lot of money to be made buying the right kind of fur. Don't even need to know much about grading, just need to know a little. Very interesting comment. Would you care to elaborate?
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Re: FACEBOOK LIVE MARKET UPDATE DIRECT FROM CHINA
[Re: wissmiss]
#6346093
10/12/18 04:22 PM
10/12/18 04:22 PM
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Posts: 4,276
western pa
goldnut
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western pa
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There is a lot of money to be made buying the right kind of fur. Don't even need to know much about grading, just need to know a little. Very interesting comment. Would you care to elaborate? I was thinking the same thing Nancy. We need informed.
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Re: FACEBOOK LIVE MARKET UPDATE DIRECT FROM CHINA
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6346099
10/12/18 04:32 PM
10/12/18 04:32 PM
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Posts: 11,181
Armpit, ak
Dirt
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From my understanding we are under trade agreements under MFN. Bill Clinton got paid to push for MFN status for China by the Chinese government. I believe the reason our wild fur pelts are taxed 31% to enter China and Chinese finished fur products are taxed 2.5% (or something like that ) to enter the U.S. is that our government agreed to this. I think Donald thinks this is a Bad deal for us.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: FACEBOOK LIVE MARKET UPDATE DIRECT FROM CHINA
[Re: LLtrapper]
#6346103
10/12/18 04:38 PM
10/12/18 04:38 PM
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Southern Illinois
ilbucksndux
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Southern Illinois
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You are looking for results. I am looking for results GFW is looking for results. FAIR trade is the result we want to see. The Trump administration is pushing back against unfair practices to include tariffs already put on a lot of goods not just beans and fur although those are our interests. It is far more reaching than that. So other than doing nothing and excepting the fact that we are to pay them and not complain like we have been, what would you do? I trust the president and his advisers. Unfair trade is not free trade. LLL ^^^^^^^ This. I hear all kinds of people moaning about tariffs and i really dont understand why. They charge us on things we export and have for years. Its time the world get treated like they treat us.
Gary Bartlow
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Re: FACEBOOK LIVE MARKET UPDATE DIRECT FROM CHINA
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6346129
10/12/18 05:52 PM
10/12/18 05:52 PM
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Posts: 8,536
Henderson, N.Y. Jefferson Co.
walleyed
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Henderson, N.Y. Jefferson Co.
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Could somebody post a link where facebook is not needed so we ("Never-Facebook-Users") could see the results as well ? w
"Provisional/Interim" member of NYS Trappers Association
Jefferson Co. Fur Harvesters
I Support Non-Resident Trapping
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Re: FACEBOOK LIVE MARKET UPDATE DIRECT FROM CHINA
[Re: wissmiss]
#6346200
10/12/18 08:03 PM
10/12/18 08:03 PM
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SE Nebraska
trapperne
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trapper
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SE Nebraska
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There is a lot of money to be made buying the right kind of fur. Don't even need to know much about grading, just need to know a little. Very interesting comment. Would you care to elaborate? There’s also a lot of money to be lost buying fur, especially if you only know a little
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Re: FACEBOOK LIVE MARKET UPDATE DIRECT FROM CHINA
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
#6346206
10/12/18 08:09 PM
10/12/18 08:09 PM
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james bay frontierOnt.
Boco
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For the coon market to improve,it needs to be sold again into North America.Even though its a different product from a different origin,it was easier for neiman marcus and other large salons to discontinue all coon after the Chinese coon ban.
It'd be nice to see a North American company like Canada goose come up with a design using coon or beaver that would take off in the North American market.
Something like that would put the fur trade back on a solid footing.
Last edited by Boco; 10/12/18 08:16 PM.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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