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Re: Prime Coon
[Re: Canine trapper55]
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10/18/18 08:18 PM
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You have some huge coon In ND and size does matter with coon. But those ND coon are tough to flesh. When I was scrapping coon for NAFA we got about 300 coon from some buyer out In ND. I never want to see another one In my shop. LOL
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Re: Prime Coon
[Re: Canine trapper55]
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10/18/18 09:04 PM
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You're trapping, the leaves are falling, there's frost on the ground, you can see your breath while checking each set, you're catching fur, and in those moments your thoughts are a million miles away from the daily grind. You are happy.
That's worth more than any fur check at the end of the season can ever provide.
"...in a very few days we succeeded in taking over one hundred beaver, the skins of which were worth ten dollars per pound."
Jim Beckwourth (1856)
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Re: Prime Coon
[Re: The Beav]
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10/18/18 09:24 PM
10/18/18 09:24 PM
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You have some huge coon In ND and size does matter with coon. But those ND coon are tough to flesh. When I was scrapping coon for NAFA we got about 300 coon from some buyer out In ND. I never want to see another one In my shop. LOL Thank the lord you just said this. I have been wondering why in the world it takes me so long to flesh a coon compared to all the youtubers. Takes me just as long to do a coon as it does coyote and coon are work. The amount of fat on them even now is about a walmart plastic shopping bag full from two.
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Re: Prime Coon
[Re: mainer]
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10/18/18 09:24 PM
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You're trapping, the leaves are falling, there's frost on the ground, you can see your breath while checking each set, you're catching fur, and in those moments your thoughts are a million miles away from the daily grind. You are happy.
That's worth more than any fur check at the end of the season can ever provide. I agree
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Re: Prime Coon
[Re: Nd native]
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10/18/18 09:53 PM
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Hate to waste an animal that may have value. I would suggest to wait till they do have value. Stack the deck then place your bets. Several state start dates defy industry professionals recommendations. Guess we all have different agendas.
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Re: Prime Coon
[Re: Nd native]
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10/18/18 11:22 PM
10/18/18 11:22 PM
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You have some huge coon In ND and size does matter with coon. But those ND coon are tough to flesh. When I was scrapping coon for NAFA we got about 300 coon from some buyer out In ND. I never want to see another one In my shop. LOL Thank the lord you just said this. I have been wondering why in the world it takes me so long to flesh a coon compared to all the youtubers. Takes me just as long to do a coon as it does coyote and coon are work. The amount of fat on them even now is about a walmart plastic shopping bag full from two. You need to take that fleshing outside where the leaves are falling, jack frost is in the air, the chipmunks are chippen, the birds are singing, then that fleshing won't seem like work.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Prime Coon
[Re: TrapperTone]
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10/19/18 07:51 AM
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Year after year I see the topic of coon primeness pop up around this time and year after year the answer is the same, it is triggered by the amount of daylight. I often times find myself saying that same thing to people I talk to just because of the frequency of times it is said on here. What I never see brought up is the fact that coons are predominantly nocturnal and spend most of the day in a dark hole, attic, hay bale, abandoned house, tree pile, etc which should block out more light than the cloudy day that is often described as being a factor. If the thesis that daylight is the main factor in determining how prime a coon is true, it would then seem logical to assume that coons who choose very dark dens and don't venture out much during the day would be prime year round. But that is not true. Even if they are venturing out during the day for say 2 hours, what would be the difference of two hours of daylight in July versus 2 hours of daylight in December? The coon is still getting 2 hours of daylight in both instances. I'm not typing this to suggest that cold weather is the driver of pelts priming, I'm more just pointing out holes in the logic that is spread every year. The truth is I have no idea what causes the change, but it seems to me that it is more than just daylight. Lets not make the mistake of talking about "daylight". The part of the spectrum that matters in this case is UV. Not IR. In other words, not light in the visible part of the spectrum. If you have ever spent time at the beach , in the shade of a pier, you can still get a bad sunburn. It's that UV spectrum reflected off other surfaces that gets you. You can't see it, but it still burns your skin
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Re: Prime Coon
[Re: Nd native]
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10/19/18 07:55 AM
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Its been significantly colder and cloudy here since mid september, to the point that small shallow sloughs were starting to freeze over. Caught these on Oct. 16. This was just after getting skinned and fleshed, they turned blue throughout this morning.  Juneuary
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Re: Prime Coon
[Re: Canine trapper55]
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10/19/18 09:47 AM
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Maybe I'm off by a mile, but isn't it also possible that "priming" is caused by seasonal hormonal changes within the species. In deer, for example, these changes make velvet dry up and soft antlers solidify, summer coats to morph into winter coats, personality changes within the bucks from group/herd orientated to more solo one man bands and antlers to drop. Day length may play the part of triggering these chemical/hormonal changes within the animals, but because of genetic diversity we see a range of dates that these changes start occurring. I see some deer starting the winter coat change over in late August, some in mid to late September. It's also possible that these hormonal changes happen at different rates as an animal matures, due to growth rates and Mother Natures perfected way of increasing survivability of the species at different maturity levels. As I said, maybe I'm off by a mile. But to me this explains why we see a wide range of differences in "primeness" at different times of the year or even location to location within our own area.
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Re: Prime Coon
[Re: mainer]
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10/19/18 10:07 AM
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You're trapping, the leaves are falling, there's frost on the ground, you can see your breath while checking each set, you're catching fur, and in those moments your thoughts are a million miles away from the daily grind. You are happy.
That's worth more than any fur check at the end of the season can ever provide. Amen... but I still want to have some thing to do with the fur. It might sound odd, but I can't kill many just to toss them... doesn't feel right. Thin haired possums excluded, lol.
Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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Re: Prime Coon
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10/19/18 10:10 AM
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So, exactly when are PA. coon prime enough to trap? And when are they fully prime? 2nd week of November... most are fully prime by mid November, except for really small ones. I don't know about southern Pa.
Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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Re: Prime Coon
[Re: Canine trapper55]
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10/19/18 10:29 AM
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^ Where are you in PA? Just curious what prime is as I'm fairly new to trapping. The first year I trapped way early and could tell. Last year I waited too long and only caught 2 because they were holed up.
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Re: Prime Coon
[Re: Canine trapper55]
#6351443
10/19/18 11:38 AM
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Beav can come up with all kind of stuff that primness doesn't matter. Not saying you can't make money on unprime goods, but generally the better grade of a pelt of equal size and colour/clarity will be more valuable and it may pay more to wait for better fur. The 5X pelt that was unprime sold for $21. The 5X pelts that were almost prime( I's) sold for $31. The 5X Sel ( prime pelts) sold for $33. So his unprime 5X sold for roughly two thirds the price of a slightly unprime or prime pelt.
P.S. If he would have caught those 4XL-3XL too early and they graded unprime I-II's $17.
Last edited by Dirt; 10/19/18 11:59 AM.
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Re: Prime Coon
[Re: Canine trapper55]
#6351455
10/19/18 11:57 AM
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The Beav
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Size has a lot to do with the pay check.
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Re: Prime Coon
[Re: Canine trapper55]
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10/19/18 12:03 PM
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Reply to Trapre, stay out of the creeks and den trails early. Trap the predator coon, travelers, forest (mast) coon, they are better early.
High elevation matters too, a hundred miles North of me is a whole different game.
You know those ones that get in your k9 sets, they prime quicker on average. If I could have caught all mine through deer season I would have, but can not because of deer hunters.
If you were closer I'd offer to go along but you are too far away.
We read on here to take a young guy. Well you youngens may consider offering an elder, there are lots that'd go.
They are only fur bearers, do not need to be difficult, but like everything there are patterns.
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