Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands
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The railroad will put in a crossing for people to safely cross the track.This will include flanger markers and whistle boards for the train. All you have to do is request a crossing and pay for it. ......that's true and private crossings here in west run around 5000 per year.
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Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands
[Re: Muskrat]
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The railroad will put in a crossing for people to safely cross the track.This will include flanger markers and whistle boards for the train. All you have to do is request a crossing and pay for it. send the bill to the governor ...I don't think the governor wants or needs to cross there.
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Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands
[Re: Muskrat]
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You guys that say just go ahead an cross or have state build a crossing just don't get it. You can't believe is it not fenced?? miles of fence threw the federal refuge?? Feds would probably fight that for wild life movement but not for sportsman..
As Muskrat has said there are parking lots in some of the more popular spots built years ago. Those lots used to be full of cars during ice fish season. Now they only have people who park and watch the birds on the river. You park in the lot go down a steep bank, where some of the sportsman clubs paid for steps. Then down a path and cross the tracks onto the ice. It is not allowed any more. One of these lots is about two miles from my house go by it all the time. The rail road did have a security guy regularly checking these lots. There is also rail road tracks threw a good part Black River State forest land in Jackson co. I don't know how much they look at or patrol that RR track. We had places we hunted there where crossing just at a crossing and hiking into would add miles to a walk. That is all State forest land..
I've talked to and e-mail some of my reps don't really get much more than we are looking at it..
Mac
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Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands
[Re: Muskrat]
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10/20/18 10:18 PM
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The stupidest RR incident I've heard of is a pair of snowmobilers that used an active RR bed as a shortcut 1 night. 1 of their skis got stuck in the tracks. They called someone to come help yank them out. This could have been very bad. I suspect lawmakers hear of some of this occasional stupidity, and a few idiots ruin it for everyone.
I don't think the issue is that the state doesn't want people using public lands.
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Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands
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I can remember back when we all stood on the tracks and shot geese on the Horicon marsh.
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Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands
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10/20/18 10:51 PM
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The parking lots were built back in the 70s as I recall. The locations were so popular to fisherman at that time that cars were a hazard parked along shoulder of the highway. There was a law or rule that allowed people to directly cross the tracks at a 90 degree angle. Everyone has know for years it was private property and you could be fined for walk down tracks or loiter. People actually did back then and no one said anything.
I honestly think sportsman got screwed by the people protesting the oil trains. I really think when they gave the RR grief about a second track threw a piece of Marsh here. All the old ladies in their Prius complaining about the number of oil trains that were going to kill us all. Then they were running around with the cameras taking pictures of the long trains. They were calling 911 about drips of oil on tracks at crossings..Had photos of Rail road bridges with cracks in cement or cracked timbers. I heard that if you get caught on tracks it's a fine. Get caught taking pictures along the tracks really big fine..
Mac
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Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands
[Re: Muskrat]
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10/20/18 11:04 PM
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not sure about the issue there....but the railroad has really stepped up there security since 9/11. including yearly training classes for every employee on dealing with trespassers and explosive devices awareness.
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Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands
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10/20/18 11:19 PM
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Homeland Security and the US department of transportation combine in what's called "co-sector" security. This includes both cyber and physical security of the RR systems. They delegate down to regional and state levels (hence the training).
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Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands
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Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands
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. . . I was thinking someone implied the governor has messed this up. It was a lot to read in that first post. Here ya go, from Pat Durkin's article in 2015. Thanks to Gov. Scott Walker’s veto pen, hunters and anglers can be ticketed as trespassers when crossing railroad tracks to reach public lands and fishing areas; and 11 nonprofit conservation organizations will have a tougher time building trails, and protecting fish and wildlife habitats. The vetoes surprised some folks who thought they made their case when the Legislature’s Joint Finance Committee backed their efforts during its budget review in May and June. Given the JFC’s GOP majority, they thought Gov. Walker would accept its recommendations. Besides, the guv often says he wants to increase hunting and fishing opportunities, and forge partnerships between the private and public sectors. Pfft. Even though the railroad-trespass exemption would cost nothing, and the combined $1 million in grants to nonprofit groups amounted to mere budget dust in the state’s $72.7 billion spending plan for 2015-17, Gov. Walker vetoed the items.
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Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands
[Re: Muskrat]
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Muskrat have you or the sportsman talked with the railroad? thought of paying for a crossing? in some cases the crossing can also benefit the railroad giving them access for them to set on and off the tracks with there hyrail trucks. the railroad is a business and crossing are expensive to maintain. Why leave it to the government to fix it for you?
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