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Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands [Re: Boco] #6352623
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Originally Posted By: Boco
The railroad will put in a crossing for people to safely cross the track.This will include flanger markers and whistle boards for the train.
All you have to do is request a crossing and pay for it.
......that's true and private crossings here in west run around 5000 per year.

Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands [Re: Muskrat] #6352626
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Originally Posted By: Muskrat
Originally Posted By: Boco
The railroad will put in a crossing for people to safely cross the track.This will include flanger markers and whistle boards for the train.
All you have to do is request a crossing and pay for it.


send the bill to the governor
...I don't think the governor wants or needs to cross there.

Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands [Re: Muskrat] #6352627
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You guys that say just go ahead an cross or have state build a crossing just don't get it. You can't believe is it not fenced?? miles of fence threw the federal refuge?? Feds would probably fight that for wild life movement but not for sportsman..

As Muskrat has said there are parking lots in some of the more popular spots built years ago. Those lots used to be full of cars during ice fish season. Now they only have people who park and watch the birds on the river. You park in the lot go down a steep bank, where some of the sportsman clubs paid for steps. Then down a path and cross the tracks onto the ice. It is not allowed any more. One of these lots is about two miles from my house go by it all the time. The rail road did have a security guy regularly checking these lots.
There is also rail road tracks threw a good part Black River State forest land in Jackson co. I don't know how much they look at or patrol that RR track. We had places we hunted there where crossing just at a crossing and hiking into would add miles to a walk. That is all State forest land..

I've talked to and e-mail some of my reps don't really get much more than we are looking at it..

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Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands [Re: Muskrat] #6352631
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I bet 2% of citizens know about these strict regs. Maybe only 1%.


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Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands [Re: Muskrat] #6352632
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The stupidest RR incident I've heard of is a pair of snowmobilers that used an active RR bed as a shortcut 1 night. 1 of their skis got stuck in the tracks. They called someone to come help yank them out. This could have been very bad. I suspect lawmakers hear of some of this occasional stupidity, and a few idiots ruin it for everyone.

I don't think the issue is that the state doesn't want people using public lands.

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Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands [Re: Canvasback2] #6352637
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[quote=Canvasback2]We have the same problem here with the Railroad blocking access to private property. Farmers and other property owners that own land on both sides of the tracks , and have old rail crossings put in decades ago. Suddenly, the Railroad decided to park their rail cars through the whole Town during Deer Season. Some Maple Syrup producers have been cut off from accessing their Maple Trees. All those years, they had access to their land, now they can't get to their property. Pay taxes on and they can't get to, and can't sell it because nobody can access it. [/quote/}.....canvas if those crossings have been there for decades they are more than likely "grandfathered in" and those crossing have to be kept opened and maintained by the railroad...check the roadcrossing sign post and see if it has a little blue sign on it....it will have the crossing code on it along with a phone number.....report it!

Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands [Re: Muskrat] #6352638
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Was the law changed after the parking lots were built or did they build them knowing they cause a problem?
Was there a specific law that gave the right to trespass at those points that was later revoked?

It appears as though someone built those parking areas just to provoke a problem? Are they on public land or the RR?

Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands [Re: Muskrat] #6352642
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I can remember back when we all stood on the tracks and shot geese on the Horicon marsh.


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Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands [Re: Muskrat] #6352646
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I thought RR's were under Federal regulations. Guess I was wrong?


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Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands [Re: Muskrat] #6352647
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the last 10 years or so out west the railroad has stepped up there patrols and enforcing the trespass laws. mostly because of the nations railway systems are considered terrorist targets. and yes there seem to be more idiots getting runover and getting there cars stuck on the tracks....every train engine has a camera on it and films trespassers and the vehicle lic plates number....LEO is called immediately and the dispatcher informed by the train crews....there was a time when railroad never enforced the laws but those days are over.

Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands [Re: Muskrat] #6352655
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The parking lots were built back in the 70s as I recall. The locations were so popular to fisherman at that time that cars were a hazard parked along shoulder of the highway. There was a law or rule that allowed people to directly cross the tracks at a 90 degree angle. Everyone has know for years it was private property and you could be fined for walk down tracks or loiter. People actually did back then and no one said anything.

I honestly think sportsman got screwed by the people protesting the oil trains. I really think when they gave the RR grief about a second track threw a piece of Marsh here. All the old ladies in their Prius complaining about the number of oil trains that were going to kill us all. Then they were running around with the cameras taking pictures of the long trains. They were calling 911 about drips of oil on tracks at crossings..Had photos of Rail road bridges with cracks in cement or cracked timbers. I heard that if you get caught on tracks it's a fine. Get caught taking pictures along the tracks really big fine..

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Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands [Re: Muskrat] #6352656
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yes RR's are under federal regulation and have there own LEO and swat teams paroling lol

Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands [Re: Muskrat] #6352657
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So this must be way more than just a Wi issue. I was thinking someone implied the governor has messed this up.


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Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands [Re: Muskrat] #6352663
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not sure about the issue there....but the railroad has really stepped up there security since 9/11. including yearly training classes for every employee on dealing with trespassers and explosive devices awareness.

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Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands [Re: Muskrat] #6352675
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Homeland Security and the US department of transportation combine in what's called "co-sector" security. This includes both cyber and physical security of the RR systems. They delegate down to regional and state levels (hence the training).

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Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands [Re: Muskrat] #6352678
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yup

Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands [Re: AJE] #6352774
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Originally Posted By: AJE
. . . I was thinking someone implied the governor has messed this up.


It was a lot to read in that first post. Here ya go, from Pat Durkin's article in 2015.

Thanks to Gov. Scott Walker’s veto pen, hunters and anglers can be ticketed as trespassers when crossing railroad tracks to reach public lands and fishing areas; and 11 nonprofit conservation organizations will have a tougher time building trails, and protecting fish and wildlife habitats.
The vetoes surprised some folks who thought they made their case when the Legislature’s Joint Finance Committee backed their efforts during its budget review in May and June. Given the JFC’s GOP majority, they thought Gov. Walker would accept its recommendations. Besides, the guv often says he wants to increase hunting and fishing opportunities, and forge partnerships between the private and public sectors.
Pfft. Even though the railroad-trespass exemption would cost nothing, and the combined $1 million in grants to nonprofit groups amounted to mere budget dust in the state’s $72.7 billion spending plan for 2015-17, Gov. Walker vetoed the items.

Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands [Re: Muskrat] #6352846
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Please tell me why a PRIVATE landowner should have to allow trespassing on his property?

Just that simple.

It does not matter that he used to allow it, it doesn't matter that there is public lands on the other side, it does not matter if the State or Fed Gov't will dissolve the landowner of liability claims, it does not matter how the landowner acquired the land.

Once the land is owned by a Private entity that entity has rights, one of which is to control who goes on his property.

Of course if there was once a legal document (easement) allowing passage/use that would be different.
Absent that the public does not have a right to trespass.

Just that simple.

I get it, you used to get away with it cause the RR looked the other way or didn't care for years, even decades.
But now he does.

Its part of the reason America is better than a lot of countries, PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.

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You're absolutely right, DD. To heck with the thousands of sportsmen and women that used to access these public lands and waters to hunt, fish and trap.

No need to change, eh buddy?

It's all about PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.

Darned good thing it doesn't affect you, right? You must be president of your local Looking Out for Number One chapter.

Re: Crossing railroad tracks to access public lands [Re: Muskrat] #6352899
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Muskrat have you or the sportsman talked with the railroad? thought of paying for a crossing? in some cases the crossing can also benefit the railroad giving them access for them to set on and off the tracks with there hyrail trucks. the railroad is a business and crossing are expensive to maintain. Why leave it to the government to fix it for you?

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