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Re: Baptist [Re: brianmall] #6362514
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From what I have read is that the Old Testament doesn't exactly apply to Christians. Instead Christians have been saved by Jesus therefore should focus their attention to living in a Christ like way.

Would you folks say this is true?


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Re: Baptist [Re: brianmall] #6362532
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The Catholic Church was unarguably started by Jesus Christ, yet it will be argued. The Baptist Church was started in 1609 by John Smyth. Both have and are being constantly changed by human beings. Both are based on much older religions that were changed by human beings. Both will continue to evolve and be changed by human beings. Nobody knows the truth, but many think they do. Treat other human beings well and try to do the best you can and the World will be a better place. It seems highly unlikely that a Creator capable of making everything would care about all the petty crap that makes people of different religions hate each other.

I personally think that their is a Creator, that we do have free will, that we do have everlasting souls and that the Creator does want us to grow more like Them. I'm almost assuredly wrong too.

Keith

Re: Baptist [Re: brianmall] #6362533
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Well Christ observed the sabath from what i have read


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Re: Baptist [Re: brianmall] #6362534
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Are there any other commandments that are just suggestions?


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Re: Baptist [Re: brianmall] #6362537
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Re: Baptist [Re: brianmall] #6362538
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In Christ - EVERY day is the Sabbath.
Salvation is simple - we don't have to make a "space shuttle" out of it.

Here's what I know. There are two types of people who will never come to salvation.
The analytical - those who analyze everything to death and can never make a decision because the answer to any question always raises another question.
The legalistic - those who are never sure of their standing before God because their salvation depends upon their works. They can never be sure of their final destiny. Have they prayed enough, given enough, done enough good things to earn God's favor?

I have given over all my legal and minuscule attempts at trying to please God in the flesh to Christ. Here's the end of it all.
Even if I'm wrong, at the end of my life, I've lost nothing.
But... If the Bible is true, which I believe it is in spite of all the scoffers; the non-believer - they've lost everything.


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Re: Baptist [Re: KeithC] #6362552
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Originally Posted By: KeithC
The Catholic Church was unarguably started by Jesus Christ, yet it will be argued. The Baptist Church was started in 1609 by John Smyth. Both have and are being constantly changed by human beings. Both are based on much older religions that were changed by human beings. Both will continue to evolve and be changed by human beings. Nobody knows the truth, but many think they do. Treat other human beings well and try to do the best you can and the World will be a better place. It seems highly unlikely that a Creator capable of making everything would care about all the petty crap that makes people of different religions hate each other.

I personally think that their is a Creator, that we do have free will, that we do have everlasting souls and that the Creator does want us to grow more like Them. I'm almost assuredly wrong too.

Keith


When do you feel Jesus started the Catholic church?


I'm overweight, but consider myself skinny. That makes me trans fat.
Re: Baptist [Re: Trapper7] #6362555
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Originally Posted By: Trapper7
Originally Posted By: KeithC
The Catholic Church was unarguably started by Jesus Christ, yet it will be argued. The Baptist Church was started in 1609 by John Smyth. Both have and are being constantly changed by human beings. Both are based on much older religions that were changed by human beings. Both will continue to evolve and be changed by human beings. Nobody knows the truth, but many think they do. Treat other human beings well and try to do the best you can and the World will be a better place. It seems highly unlikely that a Creator capable of making everything would care about all the petty crap that makes people of different religions hate each other.

I personally think that their is a Creator, that we do have free will, that we do have everlasting souls and that the Creator does want us to grow more like Them. I'm almost assuredly wrong too.

Keith


When do you feel Jesus started the Catholic church?

When he anointed St. Peter as the "the Rock" The first pope.

Re: Baptist [Re: brianmall] #6362566
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How could Peter have been the first pope since he was married? You do realize that pope's aren't married? Matthew wrote: Matt 8:14. "And Jesus went into Peter's house, and found his wife's mother lying sick there with a fever."


I'm overweight, but consider myself skinny. That makes me trans fat.
Re: Baptist [Re: brianmall] #6362567
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Muskrat, can you cite any scripture to show that Peter was the first pope? Or just Catholic tradition? In matthew 16 Jesus changed Simon son of Judah's name to peter after peter proclaimed Jesus to be the Messiah. But it seems to me that the rock upon which He builds his church, as Jesus says, is the fact that He is the Messiah. Can you cite any other scripture pointing to the catholic church specifically being the original church, not just passages that refer to "the church"? Serious question, not trying to be argumentative. I'm not catholic. I do know that the catholic church relies not only on scripture but also tradition (that's a whole different debate), and I'm curious if there is scripture supporting the catholic church specifically, or if that's based on tradition.

Re: Baptist [Re: brianmall] #6362580
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In my opinion, all of the talks about traditions, semantics, etc. are one of the biggest problems with religion.

Things to live and die by:
God sent Jesus to die for our sins.
Jesus died and rose from the grave.
We're all sinners and fall short of the glory of God.
We'll all be judged on judgment day.

Doesn't matter what I say or what your local pastor says. Its for each man to study on and find the truth in. The truth being the word of God.


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Re: Baptist [Re: brianmall] #6362610
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Danny, you seem pretty stuck on the idea that Sabbath means a specific day of the week, and it has to be the day the Romans named Saturday. God said “Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.” The word “Sabbath” simply means “day of rest.” He didn’t say “Keep the Sabbath on Saturday”. The word Saturday didn’t even exist then, you know. What God did in the Judaist tradition is establish the 7 day week-- 6 days of work, 1 of rest. He started that principle in the Creation story, saying He created for 6 days and then rested one. It never says which Roman day of the week it was. In fact I’m fairly sure that there wasn’t any specific day designated for Sabbath until the Jews left Egypt. Then, they probably simply started counting. Maybe they made the day they crossed the Red Sea the first day. But I have no idea whether it was a Sunday or Monday or what, because the Bible never lists days of the week.

From that point on, since they were an independent nation, they were able to keep track and name their days. But what about when they were exiled to other nations with a different calendar, then came back and started practicing Sabbath again? Are you saying you’re positive they landed exactly back on the same 7-day cycle?
And you’re saying you’re positive that when God gave the commandment, He was referring specifically to the day that would be named “Saturn’s Day” hundreds of years later?

I think you’re being absurdly legalistic about something very silly and unimportant. I believe strongly in keeping “a sabbath”— a day of rest roughly every 7 days. But if I have to work Saturday and Sunday, and rest on Monday or another day, it doesn’t matter a wit. Remember, He also said Sabbath was for rest- not church or worship. That’s a completely modern tradition. So if Jews go to synagogue on Saturday instead of just resting, and we rest on Saturday and go to church on Sunday, maybe they’re the ones sinning in your mind...

More food for thought, most ministers I know take a completely different day of rest because they spend Saturday preparing and Sunday preaching, which is their work, so their actual Sabbath is Monday or a different day of the week.. Maybe you think they’re sinning too...

Re: Baptist [Re: KeithC] #6362613
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Originally Posted By: KeithC
The Catholic Church was unarguably started by Jesus Christ,

Keith


Funny, since the full name of the Catholic Church is “The Roman Catholic Church,” and the Romans not only executed Jesus but tried to exterminate his “church” for a few hundred years until Constantine decided to “join em if you can’t beat em.”

Re: Baptist [Re: brianmall] #6362617
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I think everything about religion is silly. I was going to stay out of this thread till i read baptist was the first christian religion. It hurts to spray coffee out your nose. I will stay off your thread now.


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Re: Baptist [Re: brianmall] #6362645
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There is no evidence that there was any clear cut Christian religion, not Baptist, protestant, or catholic. After Jesus ascended into heaven, the followers of Jesus just referred to themselves as Christians. Around 300AD there began to be some differences of opinion regarding interpretations and doctrines as the years passed. More and more different churches sprouted as the years went by.

If this will help: The origins of the bible were, the original manuscript which were interpreted into the Vulgate Edition, years later came the Duoay (catholic) version, then the King James (protestant) version, and many versions after that.

I'm pretty sure the catholic (Duoay) version of the bible doesn't say Peter was the first pope or mention the word catholic.


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Re: Baptist [Re: brianmall] #6362652
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Danny -

I have observed your interest over the years concerning Christianity and your disregard. I want you to know, I am praying God reveal Himself to you in a very personal manner. He knew you before you were formed in your mothers womb. Only God knows how to show Himself to you. I believe you are a wise man who openly chooses to reject a loving God. I would encourage you to ask questions and learn as we all do. There will be a time, when you stand before Him - believe it or not.....I pray you gain a closer relationship with Him and learn of His personal love for you.

Re: Baptist [Re: brianmall] #6362654
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Where were the Baptists for the first 1600 years?

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Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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They were just called Christians during that time, same as the catholics were. The catholics decided to move into a little different direction sooner, that's all.


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Re: Baptist [Re: brianmall] #6362685
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In troubled times, people of all Faiths should remember these 4 great religious truths:

1. Muslims do not recognize Jews as God's chosen people.
2. Jews do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah.
3. Protestants do not recognize the Pope as the leader of the Christian world.
4. Baptist do not recognize each other at the liquor store.


It is what it is.
Re: Baptist [Re: brianmall] #6362779
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