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Question about Canine Flat Sets #6367496
11/07/18 05:51 PM
11/07/18 05:51 PM
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SkyeGoode Offline OP
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Please excuse my crude, marked up, football playbook drawing, but I'm a visual person. I wanted some advice on what others think about their flatsets. At what point do you start to question when you are wrong in trap placement? In the photo I edited for you from this morning's check, you can see the trap in light blue, the yellow circle around the rock is a tiny bit of coyote gland lure, the yellow zig zag on the right is coyote/fox urine. The red circled tracks are from a big wolf that ran through last night, the purple circled traps are a coyote that ran through the night before.

I went with my gut this morning, and I DID NOT touch this set. I told myself, it's just a matter of time, they'll get caught, don't go messing with anything. They clearly are fired up and enjoy marking the set otherwise they wouldn't keep returning. I did put two teeny tiny rocks in each wolf track, to maybe get them to step slightly different. However, it's only a coyote trapper's nature to second guess oneself and wonder if you have your placement off? I use my trapline dog as my guide for trap placement so when he peed on this spot the day I was setting traps, I bedded the trap right in his track. He's an 80 pound collie so I thought the placement should have been perfect.

Other picture is the set the day I made it, before all the canines ran through.

Am I just overthinking it? How many "misses" do you guys let your sets get before you do something different??


Thanks for any responses.

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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6367559
11/07/18 06:59 PM
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I'd also leave it alone..but when I can't stay away any longer because the trap is still empty after two weeks I'd put in a urine post set about ten feet away using two traps.

Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: JBelile] #6367560
11/07/18 07:00 PM
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I normally don't but I had to remake two of the sets that were within a few yards of this one because I don't use waxed dirt in early season but now we have freezing temps coming so I re-bed all my sets in weatherproof dirt....except this one lol


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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: beachcomber13] #6367561
11/07/18 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by beachcomber13
I'd also leave it alone..but when I can't stay away any longer because the trap is still empty after two weeks I'd put in a urine post set about ten feet away using two traps.


I'll have to do that maybe by Sunday if I don't connect. A man could drive himself crazy second guessing himself. I was thinking if I find another fresh scat pile on another property maybe I'll add it to the set a few inches up, just to keep them interested?


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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6367566
11/07/18 07:10 PM
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The lack of any backing at all surprised me.

Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: beachcomber13] #6367576
11/07/18 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by beachcomber13
I'd also leave it alone..but when I can't stay away any longer because the trap is still empty after two weeks I'd put in a urine post set about ten feet away using two traps.


You got an empty k9 trap that long you better be making a new set/s or move on as you are wasting your time and there's more/different k9s to be caught with less effort.

My 2 cents FWIW

Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6367580
11/07/18 07:27 PM
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Maybe it is the picture, but that black blob really sticks out. I notice a pattern of the coyote and wolf both stepping there...just different distances out. About the only pattern I see. Not a big time canine trapper, but on the flat sets I had success with, I want them focusing in on an something when the scent hits them.

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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: WIMarshRAT] #6367587
11/07/18 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by WIMarshRAT
Maybe it is the picture, but that black blob really sticks out. I notice a pattern of the coyote and wolf both stepping there...just different distances out. About the only pattern I see. Not a big time canine trapper, but on the flat sets I had success with, I want them focusing in on an something when the scent hits them.


Are you talking about the black blob to the left of the bottom purple coyote track? That's actually a scat pile from a fox that I added. So what you are saying makes sense, if they sniff the scat pile, then take a step forward to mark the scat pile, that's probably why their tracks are all about a foot north of my trap bed...maybe it is as simple as moving or adding a fresh scat pile 6 inches south??


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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: EdP] #6367589
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Originally Posted by EdP
The lack of any backing at all surprised me.


Usually flat sets don't utilize a backing...but to a wild canine, even a domestic canine, those little teeny tiny tufts of grass are a fire hydrant to them


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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6367620
11/07/18 08:22 PM
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put in a third lure on a stick or rock make a triangle from the 3 lure placements. Put a trap right in the center of the triangle and make sure the scents are 9-10" away from the center of the pan.


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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6367625
11/07/18 08:30 PM
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I would not do anything to this awt either. Just in the future, perhaps pick a spot that can give you a natural walk through like some grass clumps to funnel the coyote in

Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SNIPERBBB] #6367627
11/07/18 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
I would not do anything to this awt either. Just in the future, perhaps pick a spot that can give you a natural walk through like some grass clumps to funnel the coyote in


I didn't pick this spot, it picked me! lol when I was scouting, I put in 2 regular boring dirt holes at this location and the backscratching and scat piles stuck out like a sore thumb...being a coyote trapper I couldn't just walk by and not put a set here. But unfortunately this is just a pond that was created 2 summers ago, so there's nothing for 100 yards in any direction, just dirt and the little bit of clover clumps that you see in the picture.


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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: JBelile] #6367629
11/07/18 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JBelile
Now that I realize the black blob is fox scat, I would put it right on the coyote track in the top purple circle.


I think I'm going to slap my hand and not touch it until Sunday...and if I still haven't connected then what do I have to lose, I'll move the trap like you said, to the north 6-8 inches where those tracks seem to congregate.


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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6367721
11/07/18 10:48 PM
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It is a nice subtle well blended set, I would leave the trap as is and guide a little harder with the Fox turd and a dirt clod or two. It will make a catch either way before too long I would think.

Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6367771
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Put a trail cam on it on video setting to see what there doing. It will answer all your questions.

Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6367869
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The perfect circle around your trap tells me. Make were they are stepping less inviting or add another trap. A small stepping stick wouldn't hurt. They are showing you were they want to step. Now you show them where to step.


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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6367897
11/08/18 02:20 AM
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I would take a rock and smear some lure on the bottom of the rock and put it behind the trap where the purple circle is




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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6368710
11/09/18 12:03 AM
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IMO he knows where your trap is ,That means odor to me


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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6368819
11/09/18 01:52 AM
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I'm not a master at the flat set but I like my attractants about 9 inches or so from the pan of the trap so they have to take a step to get from one odor to the other. It's hard to tell from photo but it appears your attractants may be closer than that. Also like previously mentioned move the droppings so that all three attractants make a triangle with trap centered.

Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6368861
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^^^^^ couldn’t have said it better ! ^^^^^^

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