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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6368909
11/09/18 03:33 AM
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It will happen, I saw prints in the frozen mud, missed trap by inches

Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6368964
11/09/18 05:37 AM
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All the tracks going in same direction, they are travelling not stopping to check lure. Notice gate of steps. I would set two more, one before this trap one after. Make all three blind no lure no nothing. Space them out enough for double catches not to tangle. Set all three right under tracks. That picture they showed you were they want to step, just short of weed edge.

Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6368997
11/09/18 10:48 AM
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That's exactly why I am not a huge flat set fan. They have their time and place. Why not make a step-down dirthole right there and force him to step on your pan? I guess I'm boring just running the same basic dirthole over and over again. It out produces the flashy sets with transplanted grass, four holes around a trap, or trying to judge where a coyote is going to step between grass patches. I see people constantly having dug up traps, near misses, etc. Generally the only evidence I see of coyote visits are when they're spinning in a catch circle. I've come to the conclusion our Nebraska coyotes are just dumber than the average coyote apparently.


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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6369052
11/09/18 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyeGoode
Originally Posted by EdP
The lack of any backing at all surprised me.


Usually flat sets don't utilize a backing...but to a wild canine, even a domestic canine, those little teeny tiny tufts of grass are a fire hydrant to them



Really?

Because I make many hundreds of them every year and they always have backing.

Backing eliminates 180 degrees of real estate and is a percentage multiplier.

Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6369054
11/09/18 12:13 PM
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Give up Boone you are outnumbered, lol.

Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6369064
11/09/18 12:31 PM
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I run flat sets only as a third set. Typically just two to a location, one a dirthole and other is a pee post.
Wade I must be boring too.
Maybe I'll try a flat or two more this year, maybe.
Jim


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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6369129
11/09/18 01:40 PM
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I usually set a flat and a dirt hole, sometimes two flats no dirt hole, the have a backing too

Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: Tactical.20] #6369283
11/09/18 03:47 PM
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I love using flat sets, and they ALWAYS have some sort of backing. As said above the backing eliminates the animal working it from the back (usually).

I usually set two sets at least per location, one dirthole and one flat. The dirtholes are big and flashy the flats sets are invisible, I figure make the sets polar opposites I can get the brash and the shy animals both


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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: tbn] #6373428
11/14/18 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by tbn
Give up Boone you are outnumbered, lol.



Boone has to troll every post I ever make on Facebook too, for some reason, he just doesn't like me. Boone, I didn't mean to say that NO flat sets have backing, but I just meant in a general sense compared to a dirthole.


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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6373461
11/14/18 05:35 PM
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You have to realize, Boone catches a lot of coyotes. I would pay close attention if he offers advice. I agree completely with what he has told you.as I do the same. No backing,well you are just allowing them to come to the backside.

Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6373487
11/14/18 06:20 PM
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Sniper and Boone are offering good advice. You can help guide the animal without extra effort simply by choosing your spot. Doesnt have to be much, subtle is better. Take your time and look around for those spots its worth an extra minute or two.

Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6373495
11/14/18 06:32 PM
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Not to pick sides in a feud if there is one, and I'll say I have no idea what happens on other sites, but I'll say Boone is one of the guys I setup and listen to when he posts on here. And the more I learn the more I value his insight.

Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6373500
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The only set I ever make without a backing is a dirt hole. I can construct a dirt hole in a way that guides the animal if there is not a backing, I still prefer a backing if one is available.

A flat set needs a backing if you want it to be a high percentage set even if you have to place a backing where you want to make the set.

Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6373511
11/14/18 06:49 PM
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I ran my falts sets and scent post this year with old cattle skulls and leg bones. Caught my first coyotes. Did not have any luck with dirt holes this year. I will keep trying. What do those of you with experience think of setting these up in advance and putting urine on them in the summer? then set them when the season opens.

Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6373722
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I disagree with moving or making new sets after 2 weeks of empty traps. The last 2 weeks here in MN has included deer rifle season. This 1 week of chaos sends the coyotes running, especially in this area. So I figure that's at least 1 week of nothing and don't expect coyotes for another week. This is what I usually see here in this area.

Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6374166
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I'm sorry I should re-phrase, I COMPLETELY agree that Boone knows what he is talking about, I respect him as a Western coyote trapper and I actually follow his posts on Facebook because I manage most of the trapping groups and pages on Facebook! I just meant that Boone doesn't like me based on what he's told me in the past, that he thinks I'm trapping for "attention". Again, I'm not discrediting him at all, and I appreciate all the advice! But I just know that trapping in Wisconsin is MUCH different than trapping in the south or out west, so I also consider that when reading feedback, as so far, much of the advice posted wouldn't apply to Wisconsin due to legality or logistics.


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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets [Re: SkyeGoode] #6374172
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This is the thread on Trapperman that I was referencing when I said "no backing". I didn't mean absolutely no backing, I just mean very small and subtle. The tufts of grass and scat clump in my original photo ARE the focal points because this area is just a completely flat dirt spot; no rocks, no grass, nothing, like a smooth gravel road. In my experience with the shy WI coyotes we have, if you bring out a new rock or log and place it somewhere, it takes them months to feel comfortable to start using it. https://trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/350303/all/FLAT_SET_-_The_No.1_flat_set_I

Here are a few of my other "flat sets" that I use, hopefully it will show that I don't mean just placing the trap in the wide open with no appeal. I don't often log into this forum so I miss some of the advice before I pull my sets but I appreciate learning from those who are experienced. Being a female in a male-dominated sport, I often have a "chip on my shoulder" and become defensive, especially because I try to really put in 210% effort in everything I do and for some guys, it still isn't good enough. I feel that I'm experienced enough to be able to give advice as it pertains to Wisconsin coyotes, but still like to learn from the Western guys in case anything else can apply here, after all, none of us will ever be experts in trapping, and you can't ever know everything since these animals teach us something new every day.


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