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Re: Who goes directly to Hades? [Re: Marty] #6372513
11/13/18 07:41 AM
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enjoy life...because that might be it!?

heaven and hades are possibly the comfort thinkings of insignifcant ants (because that is what we are in the grand scheme of the universe) because ants are so tiny their comprehension is limited.

nice to think there is an afterlife smile but maybe wishful thinking...still if anyone passes on before me please pop back and let me know

Regards

FE

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Re: Who goes directly to Hades? [Re: danny clifton] #6372536
11/13/18 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
but the great revival teachers say you don't get judged by your works. I am really confused now. to many rules. worse than trying to trap 100% legal in New York.


Exactly, but how much easier would it be having DNR with you guiding you through that?

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Re: Who goes directly to Hades? [Re: danny clifton] #6376423
11/18/18 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
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12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before [a]God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books


The problem is we take a verse here or take a verse there and try to use it to prove our position. that happens on both sides. so a verse can be proved and disproved. The word of GOD must be read in it's context not edited to our liking. Rev 20: 12 must be looked at and understood from Rev 20: 11 to 15. This scripture is talking about those who have not had their names written in the book of life. So the question must be asked What gets the persons name into the book of life? We see in that text is that no ones works or deeds, keeps them from being placed in hades. only being in the book of life keeps them out. The shed BLOOD of Christ, the death, burial and , resurrection and now at the right had of GOD gives me the salvation and puts me into the book of life, not on my works or being a good person, but in fact my understanding that I cant be good enough ever and knowing I do not deserve anything from GOD but hades. But accepting his grace and letting him take control of my life. For me I see what Paul stated and I truly believe it, that I am chief of sinners. no one on here is a bigger sinner than me, but, it is not my sin full acts that was keeping me for GODS Grace it was in fact my sin full nature that kept me GODS grace, when a person realizes that they can not be as good as GOD demands then Repents of their sin full nature and takes Christ as their lord and master only then can GOD put us into the book of life. The understanding of the Romans road is a very simple but absolute to salvation.


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Re: Who goes directly to Hades? [Re: Marty] #6376445
11/18/18 11:28 AM
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The problem is we take a verse here or take a verse there and try to use it to prove our position. that happens on both sides. so a verse can be proved and disproved. The word of GOD must be read in it's context not edited to our liking


correct interpretation and proper translation. people have been killed over those two things. if a creator wanted your worship don't you think the rules would be cut and dried rather than written as riddles to be deciphered in a 1000 different ways with thousands of different religions?


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Who goes directly to Hades? [Re: Marty] #6376448
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if people who voted for Nancy Pelosi don't go straight to hades they ought too


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Re: Who goes directly to Hades? [Re: danny clifton] #6376484
11/18/18 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
if people who voted for Nancy Pelosi don't go straight to hades they ought too


lol


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Re: Who goes directly to Hades? [Re: danny clifton] #6376713
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
if people who voted for Nancy Pelosi don't go straight to hades they ought too


lol


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Re: Who goes directly to Hades? [Re: danny clifton] #6376745
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
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The problem is we take a verse here or take a verse there and try to use it to prove our position. that happens on both sides. so a verse can be proved and disproved. The word of GOD must be read in it's context not edited to our liking


correct interpretation and proper translation. people have been killed over those two things. if a creator wanted your worship don't you think the rules would be cut and dried rather than written as riddles to be deciphered in a 1000 different ways with thousands of different religions?


My Creator has given me free will. I am free to listen to/accept the counsel of Fools, and I am free to discern the true Word of God.

there are PLENTY of Fools spouting biblical-SOUNDING "teachings".

Re: Who goes directly to Hades? [Re: danny clifton] #6376748
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
if a creator wanted your worship don't you think the rules would be cut and dried rather than written as riddles to be deciphered in a 1000 different ways with thousands of different religions?


cite ONE current secular law that isn't open to interpretation....just ONE!

the issue isn't what the Bible says, it's human stubbornness/folly/pride/agendas; and, yes...the influence (on humans) of Satan.

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Re: Who goes directly to Hades? [Re: FoxExterminator] #6377463
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Originally Posted by FoxExterminator
enjoy life...because that might be it!?

heaven and hades are possibly the comfort thinkings of insignifcant ants (because that is what we are in the grand scheme of the universe) because ants are so tiny their comprehension is limited.

nice to think there is an afterlife smile but maybe wishful thinking...still if anyone passes on before me please pop back and let me know

Regards

FE


Right, ashes to ashes, dust to dust

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Re: Who goes directly to Hades? [Re: Marty] #6377482
11/19/18 08:56 PM
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...I’d say someone that either sticks a lit blackcat firecracker up a kitten’s butt while uttering satanic chants....and/ or listens to a Kenny Rogers album on purpose


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Re: Who goes directly to Hades? [Re: Jarhead620] #6377535
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Originally Posted by Jarhead620
Originally Posted by FoxExterminator
enjoy life...because that might be it!?

heaven and hades are possibly the comfort thinkings of insignifcant ants (because that is what we are in the grand scheme of the universe) because ants are so tiny their comprehension is limited.

nice to think there is an afterlife smile but maybe wishful thinking...still if anyone passes on before me please pop back and let me know

Regards

FE


Right, ashes to ashes, dust to dust

Jarhead



^^This is the appeal of evolutionary thought because it negates the possibility of a Creator.

A Creator presumes purpose, and purpose subjects one to accountability for his/her actions.


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Re: Who goes directly to Hades? [Re: Marty] #6377557
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I’ve heard that if you play Kenny Rogers albums backwards ...the lyrics are about two men laying together and how Dolly Partons cleavage is actually a portal used by demons to travel back and forth from hades to earth


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Re: Who goes directly to Hades? [Re: Savell] #6377918
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Originally Posted by Savell
I’ve heard that if you play Kenny Rogers albums backwards ...the lyrics are about two men laying together and how Dolly Partons cleavage is actually a portal used by demons to travel back and forth from hades to earth

Hilarious!


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Re: Who goes directly to Hades? [Re: Marty] #6378384
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.....ain’t funny bhugo...If a Kenny Rogers song comes on the radio...I’ll shut the truck down, take up serpents and speak in tongues


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Re: Who goes directly to Hades? [Re: Savell] #6378400
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Originally Posted by Savell
.....ain’t funny bhugo...If a Kenny Rogers song comes on the radio...I’ll shut the truck down, take up serpents and speak in tongues


Can I get an amen?


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Re: Who goes directly to Hades? [Re: Marty] #6382887
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....see how he has no eyes ....tell me I’m fishin in a dry pond now hoss

...for the sake of all things sacred....do NOT click on that play button!


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Re: Who goes directly to Hades? [Re: Marty] #6382892
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I think I'll just back away from this thread, bein' as I just now tuned in.


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Re: Who goes directly to Hades? [Re: Marty] #6383163
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I have been mentored by a Dallas Theological Seminary trained pastor who gave me this as good groundwork for a sermon I recently preached. It helps me understand faith without works may indicate there is little/no faith in the heart of men. Commonplace in Jesus' day... commonplace now.
Good works NEVER produces Salvation but Salvation ALWAYS produces good works.


How Are We Ultimately Saved? - John Piper

Especially as it pertains to final salvation, so many of us live in a fog of confusion. James saw in his day those who were treating “faith alone” as a doctrine that claimed you could be justified by faith which produced no good works. And he vehemently said No to such faith.

Faith without works is dead (James 2:17).
It is like a body with no breath (James 2:26).
It is like an energy with no effect (James 2:20), and no completion (James 2:22).
If there is justifying faith, it has works (James 2:17).
So, he says, “I will show you my faith by my works” (2:18). The works will come from faith.

“The faith which alone justifies is never alone, but always bearing transforming fruit.”
Paul would affirm all of this because he said in Galatians 5:6, “In Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.” The only kind of faith that counts for justification is the kind that produces love — the kind that bears the fruit of love. The faith which alone justifies is never alone, but always bearing transforming fruit. So, when James says these controversial words, “A person is justified by works and not by faith alone” (James 2:24), I take him to mean not by faith which is alone, but which shows itself by works.

Paul calls this effect or fruit or evidence of faith the “work of faith” (1 Thessalonians 1:3; 2 Thessalonians 1:11) and the “obedience of faith” (Romans 1:5; 16:26). These works of faith, and this obedience of faith, these fruits of the Spirit that come by faith, are necessary for our final salvation. No holiness, no heaven (Hebrews 12:14). So, we should not speak of getting to heaven by faith alone in the same way we are justified by faith alone.

Essential to the Christian life and necessary for final salvation is the killing of sin (Romans 8:13) and the pursuit of holiness (Hebrews 12:14). Mortification of sin, sanctification in holiness. But what makes that possible and pleasing to God? We put sin to death and we pursue holiness from a justified position where God is one hundred percent for us — already — by faith alone.


~Mark

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^^^^^^
But if you follow Piper's line of thinking, why even have this discussion since everything has been predetermined anyway and we have no choice in the matter as to whether we choose to believe or not.


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