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America have its 1st taste of true, unbridled liberty?

It's compact was named one of the sources from which the principles of our Declaration was derived.

Hint: (Nelson, pg. 62)

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Second question

Who wrote the compact and why?

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2nd hint

1st "true" Baptist Church which is commonly mistaken for the 2nd Baptist Church to be established in America.

Remember:. Baptist were never in the Roman Catholic Church. Therefore we never came out nor reformed!

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The church still exists!!

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#1. On the Mayflower as the Pilgrims (Puritains) voyaged to the New World.

#2. The Mayflower Compact was written by William Bradford. The Strangers, the non-Pilgrim passengers on the Mayflower wanted to settle on the Hudson River. The Pilgrims wanted to settle further North by Cape Cod because the way to the Hudson River was very dangerous. Bradford wrote the Mayflower Compact as an agreement that all the people would work together for the common good so they would have a better chance of survival as one group as opposed to separating into two different groups.


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Originally Posted by K-zoo
#1. On the Mayflower as the Pilgrims (Puritains) voyaged to the New World.

#2. The Mayflower Compact was written by William Bradford. The Strangers, the non-Pilgrim passengers on the Mayflower wanted to settle on the Hudson River. The Pilgrims wanted to settle further North by Cape Cod because the way to the Hudson River was very dangerous. Bradford wrote the Mayflower Compact as an agreement that all the people would work together for the common good so they would have a better chance of survival as one group as opposed to separating into two different groups.



The Mayflower was originally bound for the Colony of Virginia, financed by the Company of Merchant Adventurers of London. Storms forced them to anchor at the hook of Cape Cod in Massachusetts, however, as it was unwise to continue with provisions running short. This inspired some of the non-Puritan passengers (whom the Puritans referred to as "Strangers") to proclaim that they "would use their own liberty; for none had power to command them" since they would not be settling in the agreed-upon Virginia territory.[4] To prevent this, the Pilgrims determined to establish their own government, while still affirming their allegiance to the Crown of England. Thus, the Mayflower Compact was based simultaneously upon a majoritarian model and the settlers' allegiance to the king. It was in essence a social contract in which the settlers consented to follow the community's rules and regulations for the sake of order and survival.[5]

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Close! Very close but about 16 years early.

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The Mayflower compact is great because it was the 1st time anyone had assumed self governing (under king). Basically those men intended and expected to land somewhere that already had a form of govt. But because they did not land where they were supposed to. They wrote their own compact. You may have ended up with a compact closer to the one I'm referring to if the "strangers would have been allowed to do what they wanted. Later those same puritans persecuted, jailed, and banished the ones who would later write the compact I'm talking about.

Mayflower compact great because we governed ourselves under severity of king.

Compact I'm talking about was the 1st that gave us religious liberty.

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Originally Posted by K-zoo
#1. On the Mayflower as the Pilgrims (Puritains) voyaged to the New World.

#2. The Mayflower Compact was written by William Bradford. The Strangers, the non-Pilgrim passengers on the Mayflower wanted to settle on the Hudson River. The Pilgrims wanted to settle further North by Cape Cod because the way to the Hudson River was very dangerous. Bradford wrote the Mayflower Compact as an agreement that all the people would work together for the common good so they would have a better chance of survival as one group as opposed to separating into two different groups.


Not religious liberty! But this was the 1st taste of we dont need the King and Queen!!

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Modern Mayflower compact

IN THE NAME OF GOD, AMEN. We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, &c. Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a Voyage to plant the first Colony in the northern Parts of Virginia; Do by these Presents, solemnly and mutually, in the Presence of God and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid: And by Virtue hereof do enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions, and Officers, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general Good of the Colony; unto which we promise all due Submission and Obedience. IN WITNESS whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape-Cod the eleventh of November, in the Reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, Anno Domini; 1620.[13]



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The 7th Day of the First Month, 1638.
We whose names are underwritten do hereby solemnly in the presence of Jehovah incorporate ourselves into a Bodie Politick and as He shall help, will submit our persons, lives and estates unto our Lord Jesus Christ, the King of Kings, and Lord of Lords, and to all those perfect and most absolute laws of His given in His Holy Word of truth, to be guided and judged thereby.
In the margin are the following Bible citations:

Exodus 24:3-4

1 Chronicles 11:3

2 Kings 11:17

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Lol

Now look at that second compact and ask yourself what is in it that inspired the principles of our Declaration! Take a good long look at the Bible verses in its footnotes!

"In God We Trust"

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Portsmouth compact
Rhode Island
John Clarke

Came here in search of liberty, was disappointed by the puritans, found his own land, then accomplished it!

Thomas Jefferson is said to have given him the credit for some of the principles that our Declaration is derived from. Or at least his compact and eventual charter

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