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Re: Marijuana is illegal under federal law even in sta
[Re: snowy]
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11/21/18 04:32 AM
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James
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I have a real problem accepting that a person forfeits his Second Amendment rights because he might smoke an occasional joint or even just vape the stuff for medical reasons.
I think there would be a good, interesting Constitutional challenge to this law, with the right plaintiff.
Jim
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"And that troll bs is something triggered snowflakes say when they dont like what someone posts." - Boco
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Re: Marijuana is illegal under federal law even in sta
[Re: snowy]
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11/21/18 05:09 AM
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James
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Still thinking about the hypothetical lawsuit. You'd want to try to buy a gun...try to buy a gun, I mean, Answer the question about pot in the affirmative. Then, when you're refused the gun, is when you would want to sue BATF.
They may decide to prosecute you for illegally buying a gun, but that might only strengthen Fifth and Fourteenth amendment claims, to go along with a claim that the government is unconstitutionally depriving people of Second Amendment rights.
It might also flush out the NRA for the kind of organization it really is. I believe the NRA has become more of a Republican/conservative organization that a gun rights organization. If the NRA refused to help support the hypothetical lawsuit,
we'd know I'm right.
Jim
Forum Infidel since 2001
"And that troll bs is something triggered snowflakes say when they dont like what someone posts." - Boco
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Re: Marijuana is illegal under federal law even in sta
[Re: snowy]
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11/21/18 07:40 AM
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Gary Benson
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It is also illegal on the Federal level to disregard the Constitution. If people really want something bad enough as a whole, it will eventually be okay. Alcohol prohibition failed because people like booze. Same with people illegally entering the U .S. Same with folks wanting to smoke weed. Same with Adam wanting to marry Steve. Same with driving 85 mph on the Interstate.
Life ain't supposed to be easy.
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Re: Marijuana is illegal under federal law even in sta
[Re: snowy]
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11/21/18 07:55 AM
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jabNE
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Oh man, I love driving 85 on the interstate...
But anyway, from the "banker" side of this there are certainly a lot of logistics to consider. When states legalize the sales those companies that sell it have some challenges ahead in how to address those federal and state clashes. For example, where does a company do its banking for the weed receipts? The regs are just recently trying to figure this out. Companies have to get creative if banks cannot accept their business in a traditional manner. And then without the traditional banking accounts and transfer systems available, how do those companies pay the state and the IRS for payroll taxes, income taxes, etc.
It has been interesting to watch develop.
Jim
Money cannot buy you happiness, but it can buy you a trapping license and that's pretty close.
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Re: Marijuana is illegal under federal law even in sta
[Re: snowy]
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11/21/18 08:12 AM
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I visited a dispensary in Colorado last year, just because I wanted to see one. I cant partake even if I wanted to, because of my job. But I saw they take credit/debit cards, and asked them how it works. They said they found a work-around for that, it was basically a seedy pay-pal type thing. They pay some company, who handles the money with the bank, and on your receipt it would just say the name of this pay-pal type company. As far as being able to purchase a gun after using marijuana, if you can use opiates and alcohol and buy guns, why not weed? Obviously one should never handle firearms when under the influence, but that shouldn't even need to be said.
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Re: Marijuana is illegal under federal law even in sta
[Re: snowy]
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11/21/18 10:45 AM
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Rye
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I'd support legalization if you can help me out in one area.
Johnny likes to have a drink at night before bed. He pours his whiskey, enjoys it while watching tv, and then goes to bed. The next day, Johnny goes to work and has an accident on his forklift in the warehouse. Immediately, they are going to draw blood to check for intoxication for liability reasons. This determines if Johnny was sober at the time of the accident. His blood is clean, and all is well in that area. Insurance covers his medical costs and work deals with it how they will.
Bobby likes to smoke pot. He does it often, but never on the job. Bobby smokes a joint, goes to bed. The next day, same warehouse, Bobby has an accident. They immediately draw his blood to check for intoxication for liability reasons. This determines if Bobby was sober at the time of the accident. Bobby's blood isn't clean, it shows levels of THC. All is not well. Bobby isn't covered by insurance, and work fires him. Why? Because you can't prove that Bobby wasn't high at the time of the accident.
Transfer this to any situation really in the work place, or even in terms of gun related incidents. Show me a test that will prove his is or is NOT high at the moment things happened, I'll get on board. Until then. No. Our nation is built on a structure of laws and liability. Doesn't matter if you don't like it or don't approve it is what it is. Until you can address this factor, legalizing is going to create more problems than it solves.
"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living; the world owes you nothing; it was here first. "
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Re: Marijuana is illegal under federal law even in sta
[Re: Rye]
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11/21/18 11:04 AM
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Mike in A-town
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I'd support legalization if you can help me out in one area.
Johnny likes to have a drink at night before bed. He pours his whiskey, enjoys it while watching tv, and then goes to bed. The next day, Johnny goes to work and has an accident on his forklift in the warehouse. Immediately, they are going to draw blood to check for intoxication for liability reasons. This determines if Johnny was sober at the time of the accident. His blood is clean, and all is well in that area. Insurance covers his medical costs and work deals with it how they will.
Bobby likes to smoke pot. He does it often, but never on the job. Bobby smokes a joint, goes to bed. The next day, same warehouse, Bobby has an accident. They immediately draw his blood to check for intoxication for liability reasons. This determines if Bobby was sober at the time of the accident. Bobby's blood isn't clean, it shows levels of THC. All is not well. Bobby isn't covered by insurance, and work fires him. Why? Because you can't prove that Bobby wasn't high at the time of the accident.
Transfer this to any situation really in the work place, or even in terms of gun related incidents. Show me a test that will prove his is or is NOT high at the moment things happened, I'll get on board. Until then. No. Our nation is built on a structure of laws and liability. Doesn't matter if you don't like it or don't approve it is what it is. Until you can address this factor, legalizing is going to create more problems than it solves. In my mind the above senario has been the main hurdle concerning legalization. But again, if an employer chooses to make initial and subsequent random testing a condition of employment... Mike
One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.
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Re: Marijuana is illegal under federal law even in sta
[Re: snowy]
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11/21/18 11:06 AM
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^^^^^^
That is why a pot smoking acquaintance of mine voted against the Initiative when it came up for a vote in Washington because it set a legal level of 5 nanograms as the amount of intoxication. He said that prior to legalization there was no set level, and that 5 nanograms is much too low of an amount for intoxication; (I don't know that).
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Re: Marijuana is illegal under federal law even in sta
[Re: snowy]
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11/21/18 11:14 AM
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potter co. p.a.
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you guys need to get the hippies in the 70's out of your mind and realize what it is today i believe.stereotypes hurt everyone,look at us trappers.
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Re: Marijuana is illegal under federal law even in sta
[Re: Rye]
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11/21/18 11:27 AM
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I'd support legalization if you can help me out in one area.
Johnny likes to have a drink at night before bed. He pours his whiskey, enjoys it while watching tv, and then goes to bed. The next day, Johnny goes to work and has an accident on his forklift in the warehouse. Immediately, they are going to draw blood to check for intoxication for liability reasons. This determines if Johnny was sober at the time of the accident. His blood is clean, and all is well in that area. Insurance covers his medical costs and work deals with it how they will.
Bobby likes to smoke pot. He does it often, but never on the job. Bobby smokes a joint, goes to bed. The next day, same warehouse, Bobby has an accident. They immediately draw his blood to check for intoxication for liability reasons. This determines if Bobby was sober at the time of the accident. Bobby's blood isn't clean, it shows levels of THC. All is not well. Bobby isn't covered by insurance, and work fires him. Why? Because you can't prove that Bobby wasn't high at the time of the accident.
Transfer this to any situation really in the work place, or even in terms of gun related incidents. Show me a test that will prove his is or is NOT high at the moment things happened, I'll get on board. Until then. No. Our nation is built on a structure of laws and liability. Doesn't matter if you don't like it or don't approve it is what it is. Until you can address this factor, legalizing is going to create more problems than it solves. Businesses and insurance can work out these details without government intervention. In fact, while government has been interventing by keeping it illegal the business and insurance hasn't had to work out a solution to the problem.
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Re: Marijuana is illegal under federal law even in sta
[Re: tjm]
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11/21/18 11:29 AM
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James I seem to recall reading that NRA was the author of the anti gun rights laws we have now, why would they change to a gun rights organization for this? ZING! This is a truthful statement and I hope it stings the buttholes of those who keep dumping cash into the gun control groups.
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Re: Marijuana is illegal under federal law even in sta
[Re: Rye]
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11/21/18 11:40 AM
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I'd support legalization if you can help me out in one area.
Johnny likes to have a drink at night before bed. He pours his whiskey, enjoys it while watching tv, and then goes to bed. The next day, Johnny goes to work and has an accident on his forklift in the warehouse. Immediately, they are going to draw blood to check for intoxication for liability reasons. This determines if Johnny was sober at the time of the accident. His blood is clean, and all is well in that area. Insurance covers his medical costs and work deals with it how they will.
Bobby likes to smoke pot. He does it often, but never on the job. Bobby smokes a joint, goes to bed. The next day, same warehouse, Bobby has an accident. They immediately draw his blood to check for intoxication for liability reasons. This determines if Bobby was sober at the time of the accident. Bobby's blood isn't clean, it shows levels of THC. All is not well. Bobby isn't covered by insurance, and work fires him. Why? Because you can't prove that Bobby wasn't high at the time of the accident.
Transfer this to any situation really in the work place, or even in terms of gun related incidents. Show me a test that will prove his is or is NOT high at the moment things happened, I'll get on board. Until then. No. Our nation is built on a structure of laws and liability. Doesn't matter if you don't like it or don't approve it is what it is. Until you can address this factor, legalizing is going to create more problems than it solves. I thought they could do a saliva test to see if you had smoked pot within a certain time fram?
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Re: Marijuana is illegal under federal law even in sta
[Re: FlyinFinn]
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11/21/18 12:08 PM
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Rye
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Businesses and insurance can work out these details without government intervention. In fact, while government has been interventing by keeping it illegal the business and insurance hasn't had to work out a solution to the problem.
Absolutely not Finn, I will never condone creating a problem and then assuming someone else will fix it the way "it should be fixed". That literally is the equivalent of " Pass the healthcare bill now and read it later" Matt28, There may be such a test, but I am unaware of it, please educate me.
"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living; the world owes you nothing; it was here first. "
--Mark Twain.
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Re: Marijuana is illegal under federal law even in sta
[Re: snowy]
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11/21/18 12:31 PM
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Hal
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There was a thread on here started Nov. 10, about using a prescription cannabinoid called CBD, and this issue seems to have flown over everyone's head at that time.
Cannabis in all forms is still illegal federally. Admitted use of cannabis or its derivatives precludes your buying of a firearm -- prescription or not. Folks who are taking prescribed cannabinoids should be careful about declaring that in a public place.
I too think it is a little bit silly that you can use all the alcohol (a liquid drug), and all the prescribed opioids you want, but can't use cannabis. With the legalization in many states, that part of the background form should be changed (or the restrictions on cannabis removed at the federal level).
Actually, I don't understand why some of these anti-gun regulations were not address when Republicans controlled both houses of congress (Along with concealed carry reciprocity.) With the Democrats in charge now in the House, it may be too late.
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Re: Marijuana is illegal under federal law even in sta
[Re: snowy]
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11/21/18 12:39 PM
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Matt28
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Businesses and insurance can work out these details without government intervention. In fact, while government has been interventing by keeping it illegal the business and insurance hasn't had to work out a solution to the problem.
Absolutely not Finn, I will never condone creating a problem and then assuming someone else will fix it the way "it should be fixed". That literally is the equivalent of " Pass the healthcare bill now and read it later" Matt28, There may be such a test, but I am unaware of it, please educate me. I am not sure that they can do it. I just thought it was what the plan was when the talk was going on about legalizing it completely. All I know for sure is that they can get a hair follicle test and go back 3 months for sure.
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